What content would you like added?

[Dude_with_bad_english]

I admit I'm probably biased because of GILF fox, but to quote the great Loveless with all their wisdom:

Nah, what's that gonna change? She's just like the rest of them, her bad end speaks for itself.
Should just stay a bunch of horny foxes, but NO.

They're MUST be "special."

Dirty barbarian at our gates, maybe we should talk? Screw that - kill! The risk of going corrupted? Sounds like a barbs problem that doesn't concern me because I'm guarded 24/7 by a living god, too bad others don't have that. What do you know, barbarian? We are a people of high culture and ancient noble traditions! Not that a creature as earthbound as you could understand them. Wow, you made yourself look like us, nice cosplay, gaijin. What, did you sell your soul for this? Haha good for you I guess. Well of course, we ask for your consent to sex, but if we're hungry or just bored, there's no such thing as consent, right? Especially if you don't know what's good for yourself.
Et cetera, et cetera.
Bah! Who do they think they are? A bunch of skinny lupines with multiple tails and vampire tendencies, that's what they are!
They're so annoying that even Kass didn't want to poke her dick in their direction, even just for fun.
It's no surprise that there are prejudices about them. And something tells me that vampirism is not the first reason for that, the first is definitely their attitude.
It would be just wonderful to meet a kitsune who grew up and lived outside of kitsune society, if such a thing is even possible.

Spoiler

I may or may not have had trolling intentions when I wrote this. No offense.

 

[Loveless]

Dirty barbarian at our gates, maybe we should talk? Screw that - kill!

To be fair, we did commit home invasion; and with most American's attitude towards such situations we're atleast lucky they didn't try to pull out magic AR-15s on us.

 

[Bleh223]

Indeed, it really speaks to the psychology of players who want "corrupt" content added, that any choices or paths added to the game that aren't overtly--if not cartoonishly--self-serving or outright evil then must be "pure" content. It seems to me a very toxic black and white view.

I thought it would be amusing to put the shoe on the other foot and satirically request content based around the idea that I can't be "good" enough, but I think too many people took me seriously.

But I digress. I believe the way things are done currently is largely the right choice, although improvements could always be made. I think sprinkling in smaller "corruptive" interactions along the way would be the best move going forward. More things like the baker in Khor.

Though I see this thread has devolved into Gripes Thread 2 again currently...

How is it devolving? No racism or personal attacks so far. What I'll never understand is why there's seemingly a pushback on player freedom, if someone wants to be the righteous person everyone looks up to, why can't they be? In the same vein, why shouldn't people have the choice to be downright evil either? Or maybe somewhere in between, who knows, you're the player of an RPG, you should have the freedom to decide. Most of the forms of corruption in this game only involve just cumming or being cummed in by demons when it can be so much more. You can do a few questionable things here and there, but that's really it. Also cumming in the baker's food screams: "Weirdo!" than "Oh my gods, how evil!".

I'm gonna be honest, the way corruption is right now is a little boring. Throw some nuance in there a little, let people explore and roleplay their dark characters. Again, why call the game "Corruption of Champions 2" if corruption isn't gonna be a real focus?

 

[Bleh223]

To be fair, we did commit home invasion; and with most American's attitude towards such situations we're atleast lucky they didn't try to pull out magic AR-15s on us.

It was more like:

Us: "Hello, anybody home?"
Azami and Co: "Who dares?"
Us: "You left the front door unlocked. Anyway we just wanna ta-"
Azami and Co: "Stop right there, criminal scu-" *Pow
*Kazuo appears
Us: "Oh good, can we tal-"
Kazuo: "Behold my nerdy weeb pow-" *Smack
*Nakano appears
Us: "Please let's ju-"
Nakano: "Trespassers, by my honor and edgy weebness, prepare to di-" *Bonk
Us: "Wow that was tough!" *No it wasn't
Miko and Mai: "You won't get pass us."
Us: *Comically stares at the camera, breaking the 4th wall
30 seconds later
Miko and Mai: "Granny!"

And you know the rest

 

[Loveless]

I mean, that is still home invasion? Especially since Champ enters the Den with an explicit goal to search around. You wouldn't be buddy buddy with a rando who just came into your house because your door was open. Considering the Bad Ends are not canon they probably just kick you out if they beat you up anyways. I'm not gonna super defend this point tho because entering the Den is super contrived anyways. It's rather annoying not being able to do any Den content if the Champ I'm playing would never agree to help Evergreen.

 

[Savin]

It's rather annoying not being able to do any Den content if the Champ I'm playing would never agree to help Evergreen.

It WOULD be nice to have a second way into the Den -- maybe Orb!Kiyo could give you a hint as to a way in?

Given how obviously evil Evergreen is, locking yourself outta that much content if you don't help her or otherwise don't have access to her isn't ideal. I'll bring it up with Tobs next time he's free.

 

[Dude_with_bad_english]

they probably just kick you out if they beat you up anyways.

Body snatching, forcefull body transformation (gender change including) with non-violent marriage or become living sex toy. After that death in battle looks almost tempting. And whether it's canon or not, that doesn't change the fact that they are capable of it and think it's fair. Sick bastards.

 

[Savin]

And whether it's canon or not, that doesn't change the fact that they are capable of it and think it's fair.

It does change the fact if it's not a canon event

 

[Loveless]

Komari, you have to body snatch that human, it's a canon event.​

 

[Dude_with_bad_english]

It does change the fact if it's not a canon event

Yeah, I know that. But the actions in the bad ends are done by the same characters, not some evil twins from parallel universes? And if they do something like that, that means it's always been in them, it's just that if we win they don't have a chance to pull it off. Like I said, sick bastards, just the champion was stronger this time.

 

[SomeNobody]

It does change the fact if it's not a canon event

Why let Tobs insert all that particularly messed up stuff in the first place?

Like many of the times when he Lets It Rip with the edginess of the substories he writes, was jarringly out of place for this game.

 

[redlightnin55]

What I'll never understand is why there's seemingly a pushback on player freedom, if someone wants to be the righteous person everyone looks up to, why can't they be? In the same vein, why shouldn't people have the choice to be downright evil either? Or maybe somewhere in between, who knows, you're the player of an RPG, you should have the freedom to decide.

Firstly, this game isn't meant to have that level of player freedom. It never was. Your thought process is essentially like if you played Final Fantasy 7 and got mad the game doesn't let you kill Barret because he's mean to your character (Cloud, also a dick) at the start of the game. COC2 is not intended to be like that by design, it is a game with limited player freedom.

Secondly, you seem to have confused two definitions here, but here's an English lesson:

1: Corruption - The process by which something is changed from its original use or purpose to one that is typically debased.
2: Evil - Overtly wicked, cruel and immoral, most often to represent a metaphysical concept or force.

Corruption and evil are not the same. This game doesn't generally let you be evil on purpose. The only real exception I'd say is the hive, which has been said over and over now to be regretted. It misled players into believing the game would be something that it's not. Perhaps we'll see something come of that one thread eventually, but even if it does, it will probably be a one-of-a-kind thing not representative of the rest of the game.

Most of the forms of corruption in this game only involve just cumming or being cummed in by demons when it can be so much more. You can do a few questionable things here and there, but that's really it. Also cumming in the baker's food screams: "Weirdo!" than "Oh my gods, how evil!".

Because that is, by the rules of this world how corruption works... Demons are made when people seek personal pleasure above anything else, or when forced to "consume" pleasure to the point that they can't think of anything else, and then their fluids spread it beyond themselves. Sure it's not Tolkien-level lore writing, but it's porn. It doesn't need to be.

And as per my earlier English lesson, the baker's interaction is about corrupting her, not being evil. Plus, you don't need to cum on the pastries if you don't want to.

And lastly...

I'm gonna be honest, the way corruption is right now is a little boring. Throw some nuance in there a little, let people explore and roleplay their dark characters. Again, why call the game "Corruption of Champions 2" if corruption isn't gonna be a real focus?

Sure, more corruption content can be added! I even said as much previously. However you need to remember the difference between evil and corruption, or you'll never be satisfied with this game.

Though hey, you can always play COC1 again! And good news, if you just want to talk about how much you love that game, there's a board on this very forum specifically for it.

 

[Gabranth]

If bad ends don't matter, because "non canon"
Why bother adding them?

Think about it, you spend time (limited, precious resource) writing something that:
1: Effectively ends PC's adventure
2: Not canon, therefore doesn't happen
3: Messed up af sometimes

I find them pointless myself tbh.

 

[Loveless]

Yeah, I know that. But the actions in the bad ends are done by the same characters, not some evil twins from parallel universes? And if they do something like that, that means it's always been in them, it's just that if we win they don't have a chance to pull it off. Like I said, sick bastards, just the champion was stronger this time.

Eh, I don't quite agree. There are some elements in this game you just have to ignore for the sake of, well, yourself. Like Hashat constantly harrasing your Elf Champ who is not interested in her. And since Non-Elf PCs are capable of not being horny after being defeated by Hashat, same should go for Eld PCs too at which point she forces herself on you regardless. Sometimes the nicer headcanon makes more sense. Just like how the Champ can be mind controlled by the plot to act a certain way, the same can happen to the NPCs too.

 

[Dude_with_bad_english]

Why let Tobs insert all that particularly messed up stuff in the first place?

Whoa whoa whoa easy there. The whole idea of a that's bad end is great. Bad ends are supposed to be the peak of depravity, the embodiment of fetishes almost to the extreme, to expose the dark side of the characters. They are the cherry on the top of a cake, after all, what would we do without them? It doesn't change the fact that I won't be able to look at some characters like I used to, but everything has a price and it has to be paid.
In general - "Bad ends for the Bad ends God! Kinks for the Kink Throne!"

 

[Loveless]

Ahem, I'm slow as usual.

Secondly, you seem to have confused two definitions here, but here's an English lesson:

1: Corruption - The process by which something is changed from its original use or purpose to one that is typically debased.
2: Evil - Overtly wicked, cruel and immoral, most often to represent a metaphysical concept or force.

This problem could be rectified by not tying the "asshole" personality to corruption. This is one of my biggest gripes with the game tbh. I often times find myself giving some of my characters large amounts of corruption because they'd have a shitty personality and there is no other way to express it.

It doesn't change the fact that I won't be able to look at some characters like I used to, but everything has a price and it has to be paid.

Honestly if a writing decision sours your opinion of a character, just shift the blame to the writers and not them. Just imagine Tobs descending from the heavens and telling Komari that if she doesn't do as she is told, he will have to make her irrelevant for 5 more years.

 

[Melon_ear]

I hate bad ends.

People see them and have no reason to think they are not canon so it colors their experience with certain asepcts the game usually for the worse. Then they share concerns about it and have to look up someones nose as they get lectured about how "bad ends aren't canon".

 

[Verro]

If bad ends don't matter, because "non canon"
Why bother adding them?

Think about it, you spend time (limited, precious resource) writing something that:
1: Effectively ends PC's adventure
2: Not canon, therefore doesn't happen
3: Messed up af sometimes

I find them pointless myself tbh.

I'd rather have flavor text for my fail state instead of just the words ''game over try again''. It's just small extra details.

 

[Savin]

Why bother adding them?

Literally because Bad Ends are a fetish some people have. They exist for the same reason sucking an NPC's dick or milking her titties exist!

It's not my thing, and surveys say it's not most players' either, but it's an erotic niche like any other.

 

[Bleh223]

Firstly, this game isn't meant to have that level of player freedom. It never was. Your thought process is essentially like if you played Final Fantasy 7 and got mad the game doesn't let you kill Barret because he's mean to your character (Cloud, also a dick) at the start of the game. COC2 is not intended to be like that by design, it is a game with limited player freedom.

Alright, if it wasn't supposed to do that, why give us a character that we can personally customise as our own? What's the point then? It's supposed to be our "vessel" so to speak, in the game. Basically a blank slate or what looks to be one. A character with no established history whatsoever to do what we want with. Cloud is already a preestablished character in the game with a prior history and personality. The game suffers some tonal inconsistency because of this, if that was the intent of the PC, you should have named them "Bepo The Slut Savior" with a prior history and done what ff7 did. There's still no explanation why having more choice is a bad thing at all, either.

Secondly, you seem to have confused two definitions here, but here's an English lesson:

1: Corruption - The process by which something is changed from its original use or purpose to one that is typically debased.
2: Evil - Overtly wicked, cruel and immoral, most often to represent a metaphysical concept or force.

Corruption and evil are not the same. This game doesn't generally let you be evil on purpose. The only real exception I'd say is the hive, which has been said over and over now to be regretted. It misled players into believing the game would be something that it's not. Perhaps we'll see something come of that one thread eventually, but even if it does, it will probably be a one-of-a-kind thing not representative of the rest of the game.

Sure, they might be literally different. However, 90% of the time in the game, corruption leads to evil for other characters. Take the centaurs for example. They were normal before, but after being corrupted they end up becoming a bunch of rape monsters. That doesn't quite sound like they ain't evil at that point in time. The fact that Tollus is also still a human somehow, proves my point that there should be more to the whole corruption/evil nuance thing too. Corruption can also be the champion doing an evil thing, they feel guilty at first, but slowly that guilt fades the more they do it. What that action is? I have no idea, maybe something dark they may have thought they weren't capable of before.

Sure, more corruption content can be added! I even said as much previously. However you need to remember the difference between evil and corruption, or you'll never be satisfied with this game.

Though hey, you can always play COC1 again! And good news, if you just want to talk about how much you love that game, there's a board on this very forum specifically for it.

I've seen people here complain about COC and how COC2 is superior by comparison. I thought the same until my own curiosity and seeing others hype the game up made me want to play it. Once I did and figured out how to not get my character brutaly raped everytime, I loved it. A lot. So you can imagine my frustration and why I'd love to see COC2 resemble COC more. Again, this is coming from a guy who thought COC2 was pretty good before and the superior game, and I honestly don't think I'm alone in thinking this way.

 

[Bleh223]

It does change the fact if it's not a canon event

Sure they might not be canon, but here's an example:

Imagine you are at a football game, the ball gets kicked directly to your face.

A.) You are fast enough to dodge
B.) You're too slow and now you have a broken nose

Congratulations, you were fast enough to dodge the ball barrellng towards your face. However, that doesn't change the fact that it could have hit you. Just like how the champion may canonicaly beat the kitsune, but it doesn't change the fact that their bad endings could have happened (death, or a "Get Out" scenario where something else is controlling your transformed body, it's pretty horrifiying). And we also have to be cool with those who were capable of doing that to us understandably doesn't feel right with some people. I don't look at them the same way anymore, either.

 

[Loveless]

I've seen people here complain about COC and how COC2 is superior by comparison. I thought the same until my own curiosity and seeing others hype the game up made me want to play it. Once I did and figured out how to not get my character brutaly raped everytime, I loved it. A lot. So you can imagine my frustration and why I'd love to see COC2 resemble COC more. Again, this is coming from a guy who thought COC2 was pretty good before and the superior game, and I honestly don't think I'm alone in thinking this way.

I don't want to come of as mean, but can you actually give clear examples of what kind of actions you want the PC to be able to commit (excluding the Kitsune). Because most of the "Corruption" in CoC1 was corrupting NPCs and being a degenerate, which I'm guessing is not all you want from CoC2.

 

[Bleh223]

I don't want to come of as mean, but can you actually give clear examples of what kind of actions you want the PC to be able to commit (excluding the Kitsune). Because most of the "Corruption" in CoC1 was corrupting NPCs and being a degenerate, which I'm guessing is not all you want from CoC2.

Sure, maybe lie, use people, break promises you never intended on keeping (or you did intend to keep them, but it becomes easier to break them the more you do it), kill in cold blood, either because it's neccessary, or not. Be a cold-blooded killer, or be a manipulative snake that isolates people and uses their weaknesses against them, seek more power at any cost. Stuff like that.

With a character like Etheryn, you can be her savior, but also another nightmare for her at the same time if you so wish. That's dark and evil, maybe corrupting her in the process (although you can't do that anymore). That is something I haven't done and will never do (Basically Alypia's companion is too wholesome for me to even dare), but I wouldn't be upset if another person did on their playthrough. COC's darkness and corruption was murder and fucking the morality out of people. COC2 honestly should have explored more than that, and that would have probably made being a good-aligned character feel a lot better. That and even if you were a good-aligned character, you could still maybe do questionable things for the greater good (in your characters eyes). Loads of things you can do with those ideas.

 

[Dude_with_bad_english]

although you can't do that anymore

There is a CG in game files, so is hope we see corrupted Ryn somehow... someday...

 

[Loveless]

There is a CG in game files, so is hope we see corrupted Ryn somehow... someday...

I'm pretty sure those are the fakes. Sorry

 

[Gabranth]

Turning Ryn into a demon is really hard (as of right now), her coding is filled with variables, flags, checks.

To put it in a single pic, her code would be this:

 

[Dude_with_bad_english]

God dammit! Еvery time I try to hold on to a hope life strike- shoot again.

 

[Loveless]

Whatever orientation, whatever gender and whatever moral alignment; I think we can all gather as one and weep for the poor shmuck who's job is untangling Ryn's spaghetti code.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Bess

 

[Enigmatic D]

It WOULD be nice to have a second way into the Den -- maybe Orb!Kiyo could give you a hint as to a way in?

Given how obviously evil Evergreen is, locking yourself outta that much content if you don't help her or otherwise don't have access to her isn't ideal. I'll bring it up with Tobs next time he's free.

That would be a great addition, but I also feel other things would need to be taken into account. Like dialogue pertaining to the main story since I believe it's implied we tell Kiyoko everything that is going on outside the Orb. Another thing would be different come up because I'm sure lots of players don't immediately opt to release Kiyoko from the orb and we tell her about the situation after going through the Kitsune Den. There's no way it shouldn't be a thing where we tell Kiyoko about all the kitsune we meet at the Den, especially Komari since we do have conversations where she reminisces about her retainer.

This could possibly culminate with more dialogue of us telling her that the Komari she knew is the same we are interacting with now. Obviously, she'd initially dismiss our words or could become heated due to the implications of the situation and either have us leave the Orb earlier or possibly force us out since she has control of what goes on in the Orb. There could possibly be a block on the Orb for a day or two since doesn't want to interact with you at this time. When those days pass we try again, with success this time and we have a more in-depth conversation with a distressed Kiyoko.

This will eventually bring about a different scene when releasing Kiyoko from the Orb.