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AStrangeGeek

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An exploitative practice doesn't actually become good or acceptable because it's long running, that kinda makes it worse.

I'm kinda flabbergasted that I'm getting "Writing for exposure is how we all started!" 'cause that's some bs. If it's normalized in your work place that's your work places problem.
I'll have to disagree that anything exploitative is going on here. If Savin et al made vague promises that people would be paid for their submissions and then refused to pony up the dough, then, yeah, that's exploitative. But if people are voluntarily devoting their time to something because they have a passion for it and are not expecting any sort of compensation whatsoever and are submitting content of their own free will, I don't see what's being exploited here. Every single scene in the game has a "Scene by: so-and-so", thus giving full credit to who contributed to the game.

So if someone is a writer and would like to contribute to this game, but they balk at not being paid for it, then they should not attempt to submit content. That's their right. Just like it's their right to submit content and not expect compensation.
 

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Fengames have long been about community contribution. If you want something in the game, you could write/commission it and it'd probably be accepted if quality is up to par and it isn't distateful or lore-breaking. I've written my own ideal transformative for TiTS (Reptilum), and I'm hardly the only one, as well as having a few minor CoC2 things of my own in the submission pile.
 

Alypia

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An exploitative practice doesn't actually become good or acceptable because it's long running, that kinda makes it worse.

I'm kinda flabbergasted that I'm getting "Writing for exposure is how we all started!" 'cause that's some bs. If it's normalized in your work place that's your work places problem.
That's not what I said, though. I specifically suggested writing on commission, as well. That is paid work.

Notice, also, that I mentioned that Savin had been "begging" Tobs for the opportunity to pay him. Tobs specifically refused to be employed by SavCo for years.
It's writing for a video game. You can't say "Working for exposure is how you start out as a writer!" and then say "This doesn't count as professional writing, actually"

It's not a wiki, it's a video game.
Honestly, the closest analogy to community writing submissions isn't "being employed by a video game company", it's video game mod support. It is optional user-created content (not necessary to complete the game and not even in the game's vision). However, in this case, devs edit your work for free, they make your work canonical, they code it into the game for you (also for free), and, in the case of community NPCs, the devs commission art for the game at their expense but to the writer's specifications (within limits) to suit that NPC. Also, you get in-game name credits, and any Patreon or carrd or commission stuff you may have gets shilled in the official blog. This is so vastly out of proportion to anything that community modders can expect from any video game company that it beggars the mind.

And much like how community mod creators usually start out just doing their own thing for free because it's a thing they want to see in the game and then transition to getting paid by people who like what they do, community writers usually transition fairly rapidly to being paid to write things that people like once people know that they're decent writers and that they'll like it. They can get paid on commission by the fanbase, who are generally less discriminating than the devs. Or they can get paid on commission by the devs themselves, who offer bounties to write characters and scenes to fill out necessary content areas.

In all cases, though, the content has to be well-written enough to meet editing and coding standards. And, more importantly, writers have to actually treat it like a job. This is the stumbling block for, I would say, the overwhelming majority of people who think that they can write smut for money.

I think that, as far as smut games go, SavCo and FenCo are some of the least exploitative producers out there. They're generous with the financial agreements they make with commissioned artists and writers, and they do a lot to nurture the talent that they do have. If you write well and stick around, you're treated in a way that's commensurate with what you put in.
 

Acharehnus

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It's right there in the form that they require you to sign before you can submit your work.
So if I have you all right this isn't exploiting actual work which is why people have to wave their right to payment for it.

I dunno I think I'm being pretty reasonable but I'm far from a union builder out here bringing labor rights to the place I talk about pat sluttery in and it's no skin off my nose so it's not a cause I'm willing to argue a whole forum of people about.
 

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So if I have you all right this isn't exploiting actual work which is why people have to wave their right to payment for it.

I dunno I think I'm being pretty reasonable but I'm far from a union builder out here bringing labor rights to the place I talk about pat sluttery in and it's no skin off my nose so it's not a cause I'm willing to argue a whole forum of people about.
I think Alypia's response to you summed things up the best and I encourage you to give it a proper read if you haven't already. She makes a lot of good points.
 

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Yeah, I misread this big time. Berwyn was a content-light companion, terrible at combat, and for the last 6 months we've been memeing about how he canonically stays in his room masturbating all day and doesn't shower. I did not see sudden wave of affection coming.
 
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As someone who is trying to get her stuff into the game, here are my two cents.

I can not lie, in some way, it does feel silly on my end that I am writing stuff for free for a product that bunch of people are making money off. In some way, yeah, I am kind of ripping myself off by writing things that I myself will not get a cent off. And yeah, getting payed in exposure or getting noticed enough that I get commissioned by someone is somewhat to idealistic on my end.

But that really does not change the fact that that is my choice, no matter how unadvised it may seem. Savin and CO. make it perfectly clear what writing for this game entails, what I am giving up when I submit something and are more than happy to lend a hand whenever they can. At least from my experience.

And there are couple of ways I can justify doing this to myself. First, gaming in itself is no stranger to community submitted content. Be it updates (like those for valve games) or user submitted mods/fan expansions. Sometimes, like with TF2, you can sell your creations/you can not. Other times, you do not.
In this case, it is basically same situation as if I wanted to submit my smut onto the sites like Ao3 or anywhere else that allows erotica; I just have to hope that I will get noticed. Which this game does to some extent make seem more attainable considering your content gets mention in patch notes, no matter how small it is. And since this is the practice of allowing user submitted text stems from beginning of CoC, it seems somewhat effective.

But, for now, the biggest reason I am writing is because I find it fun and I feel like I can fulfill a niche somewhat. This is a hobby of mine and being able to share it with other people in itself is fulfilling. And with the lack of male and corruption content related to this game, I feel like I have something to offer. Specifically when it comes to male content since there is a specific niches within that niche that I want to try to fill. Be they monogamous husbandos, boy harems or non femboys willing to bottom. If my content is good and at least somewhat makes the small, neglected, portion of the playerbase happy, It will make me content with what I have submitted. If it at some point starts becoming to much of a burden, I can always stop. It is not like I am being forced into this.

So yeah, while there is a part of me that finds all my time I spent into this somewhat wasted, it is still my decision and the one I am currently taking great amount of joy out off. And the idea of getting some kind of notoriety and self earned allowance also ain't half bad of an incentive.
 
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One thing I would definitely enjoy seeing more of is quests like High Ground. The various Star Wars references crack me up whenever I’ve played through it, and it‘s quite fun to run around using the Blackguard’s power set (through save editing) on my corrupted Black Mage character, not too mention the big quest reward.

It‘s definitely my favorite quest in the game so far, and honestly the only thing that could of made it better is if the champ delivered Obi-Wan’s most memed line, so well done on that ;)
 
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Orange Juice Jones

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Dialogue from Kinu coming to terms with the fact that her momdad has fucked almost all of her friends and probably would fuck more of them if the opportunity presented itself
 

Acharehnus

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At that point you're likely to have gone at all of the Kitsune that spend any time outside their own living areas having been a benefactor for those working outside the den too. At least she has, by some miracle not walked in on you doing it. That'd be a bit awkward.
 

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I'm excited for the combat rebalance to continue. I want better wizard stuff, lol. I'd love if wands scaled off Spell Power, and I'd love if Staves had extra effects added to spellcasting like the Guldring does, though not necessarily damage. I think extending this to some melee weapons/bows could be fun as well. Its probably unrealistic to hope for an extremely robust system with tons of gear options and interesting progression, but I can hope!

I do still want more fashion options more than anything though. Notable non-mage armor I'd like is some sort of boob armor as basically the sexier version of the Breastplate. Maybe not with more Sexiness value, but with the skimpy tag added somehow. And we def need some ridiculous codpiece armor somehow. The imagery is just too perfect. And in terms of weapons there isn't really a "basic" two-handed sword or whip or flail, etc. I just like aesthetic options I guess, for my zany character ideas.
 
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Animalistic

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Yeah, I misread this big time. Berwyn was a content-light companion, terrible at combat, and for the last 6 months we've been memeing about how he canonically stays in his room masturbating all day and doesn't shower. I did not see sudden wave of affection coming.
Well he was the most popular male companion; and the companion with seemingly most fanart. So one of the most devoted fanbases, next to Brienne and Kiyoko.
 

Alypia

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It‘s definitely my favorite quest in the game so far, and honestly the only thing that could of made it better is if the champ delivered Obi-Wan’s most memed line, so well done on that ;)
I thought about an "absolutes" reference, for sure. As is probably apparent from the rest of the text, I'm a fan of Matt Stover's writing, though, so I wouldn't have been able to resist bringing in his take on the line instead.
 
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Kyubi Xiaolong

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oh oh oh i just thought of it.... the ability to cook your own meals..... you get a cook set as an item and then you can purchase ingrediants from shops like non tf eggs, cheese, bacon, meat, vegitibles and the like and make your own meals/drinks so long as you know the recipes
 

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Appearance.. and that appearance changes with transformation honestly in text based games appearance is a must in my opinion of course you have to prioritize bugs etc but it just dosen't feel right
 

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Appearance.. and that appearance changes with transformation honestly in text based games appearance is a must in my opinion of course you have to prioritize bugs etc but it just dosen't feel right
click on the book and then appearance
 

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Yeah, there's an entire Appearance screen in the journal that does just that, which got an extensive rework last year to be more dynamic.and clean up spaghetti code. The Champ is heavily parser-ized so their appearance is reflected in the game.

Is there some particular feature you think is lacking?
 

Kyubi Xiaolong

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Yeah, there's an entire Appearance screen in the journal that does that, which got an extensive rework last year to be more dynamic.and clean up spaghetti code.

Is there some particular feature you think is lacking?
if they say an image that changes with transfomations i am done
 

Acharehnus

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if they say an image that changes with transfomations i am done
Such a massive amount of art would be needed and you'd need that artist on tap for all future transformations.

I feel like I've seen an erotic game that took art from wherever to demonstrate what each part would generally look like but wow is that ever a legel nuclear bomb for a game being sold on steam.
 

HK-47

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I thought about an "absolutes" reference, for sure. As is probably apparent from the rest of the text, I'm a fan of Matt Stover's writing, though, so I wouldn't have been able to resist bringing in his take on the line instead.
I was talking about the classic “hello there” line, but that would of been quite funny too.

But anyway, it was definitely a delightful quest. Reminded me of the Monty Python & the Holy Grail Easter eggs in Fallout 2, for its sheer silliness :D
 

Alypia

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I was talking about the classic “hello there” line, but that would of been quite funny too.

Bit anyway, it was definitely a delightful quest. Reminded me of the Monty Python & the Holy Grail Easter eggs in Fallout 2, for its sheer silliness :D
Oh! Oh, I think that should be reserved for Sanders himself. Having Champ say it just wouldn't be the same.

Glad you enjoyed it!
 
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HK-47

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Oh! Oh, I think that should be reserved for Sanders himself. Having Champ say it just wouldn't be the same.

That‘s definitely a fair point. I just thought it would have been hilarious for the Champ to say it during the bridge ambush scene before the duel.
 
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