What content would you like added?
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the fact there is not a third sibling that does not have lover gender preferances..... personally would love a full lesbian scene with gwyn......or a gay scene with garret (which you can technically get.... just be male and identify as female) and no solveig does not count becuase she is not full lupine....... not a huge fan of the orcs and i dont think solvieg can impregnate you
And how many of those people on the doc are actual characters that exist beyond a five second sex scene or random encounter? The fact is, I'm tired of my COMPANION options being Big Titty Waifu and Quin, Brint and Maybe Ryn. It's a huge disparity, and I'm allowed to state my own preferences.
But hey, there's a REASON I unsubbed from the Patreon. They can get their money from the people who ONLY want Big Titty Waifus, since that seems to be a majority of what they want to cater to.
Very few, but it's what happens when nobody writes for them. You can be the change you want to see or commission someone else. I mean, someone from the forum recently wrote scenes for the Crazy Horse(s). It's a good way to test the proverbial waters.
From the beginning, it was known that companions would come from a certain number of writers. Writers that aren't all that interested in certain archetypes.
I would love to be, but honey, I'm disabled and I don't get the luxury to be able to consistently write a ton of sex scenes. I made my piece known, even prefaced it with how unlikely it was to happen, and left. Y'all just can't take any modicum of criticism to this game.
Think about this for a second, do you really want to give Tobs another opportunity to give someone in Casa de G massive unresolved issues? Because you know that he would...
But yes, full-Lupine characters who meet the trifecta of sexable, recurring and non-combat encounter are a bit thin on the ground and most of them have some kind of restrictions except, off the top of my head, June and Zo.
Discussion over the criticism is not the same as being unable to take criticism. If people disagree they have as much a right to say they do as you do voicing that criticism.
Maybe one of these days then, sugar, people will come to understand you.
I happen to be a straight female who is well aware that the game will never cater to her. I waited two years to play it so that it could cater to at least one of my interests (character customisation). CoCII is a solid RPG, and I play it as such. If my Champion's partners are Big Titty Waifu and Big TItty Waifu, so be it. It's not that I am going to interact with them outside battles. But I am aware that, at the end of the day, it's a porn game with a given set of kinks (to the point of predictability), and said kinks won't change unless people get to write.
At the end of the day, one situation leads to another, and these days have lasted since 2011 (when I first played CoC) at the very least.
Which is, again, why I unsubbed and made it known WHY I unsubbed. They can do what they want with it, and I'll move on. But I don't play porn games for the RPG elements, I have plenty of RPGs to choose from if I want that. Power to you if that's why you play it, but it's a porn game, and feeling like I get less and less out of it as time goes on and content piles up in categories that don't interest me while I even get content taken from the small pool of stuff I DO like... Well, it's not my idea of fun.
So I canceled my Patreon sub and I'm leaving. Y'all have fun, I'll check to see how much the disparity increases from here on out. My hands hurt, and I've reached my limit for the day on writing.
Best of luck to you. Not to plug other sites too hard, but F95 has a great filtering system so you can find and try out games from other creators prior to pledging. You can filter for tags, filter tags out, and can even filter by the game engine itself.
Can't really materialize writers from the ether and the writer(s) who are willing to write the kind of content you want are already doing just that. I assume writing erotica that isn't your thing makes for bad content and burns you out. So I don't think just expecting existing writers to cover it is on the table.
I suppose the team could make more of a call for writers for specific content, Patreon's getting them a nice amount but would that really be in the budget? (I certainly hope they're paying all contributors) I gotta admit I don't know what professional pay rates are but they do have a few writers, devs and artist(s) that adds up quicker then any of us would like these days.
I sympathize, if for example for whatever reason Kitsune content was discontinued (No more of my beloved pat sluttery, let alone more family and continuation of the quest) I'd be incredibly dejected. It'd REALLY suck and I'd be out the door too.
I suppose the team could make more of a call for writers for specific content, Patreon's getting them a nice amount but would that really be in the budget? (I certainly hope they're paying all contributors) I gotta admit I don't know what professional pay rates are but they do have a few writers, devs and artist(s) that adds up quicker then any of us would like these days.
I sympathize, if for example for whatever reason Kitsune content was discontinued (No more of my beloved pat sluttery, let alone more family and continuation of the quest) I'd be incredibly dejected. It'd REALLY suck and I'd be out the door too.
The full-time members of the staff get paid, artists get commissioned and presumably there's some infrastructure upkeep that the money also covers, but community writers who submit content do not get paid for that content. It's right there in the form that they require you to sign before you can submit your work.
Between this game and TiTS, they have occasionally put out community bounties for certain types of content where the writers gets paid if their content is accepted, but that's the exception and not the rule and the last time they did that for this game was almost three years ago.
I have very low view of my times worth and love the game and even I wouldn't work for exposure or for the passion of it. So I now understand why there isn't much of that.
Also feel like all the "Just write it yourself!" Should come with that asterisk.
Pretty much. (Meds kicked in.)
I have limited spoons to write with as-is. Why would I write for someone else's project when I could instead be focusing on my own writing (which I already have a limited time to do thanks to aforementioned disability)?
I was playing through Khor'minos and got to the bakery when I suddenly remembered there was a Minotaur bakery back in COC. I don't know if this is the right place to post this or if references to old titles are even allowed, but I think it would be a nice easter egg if you could create and interact with Maddie, the pastry golem.
Originally, CoC1, TiTS, and CoC2 existed in very large part as vehicles for pretty much anybody to write what they wanted to write and get it into a smut game for free. That's what Kiyoko was. In fact, for years, before Observer finally relented and let Savin hire him, he wrote hundreds of thousands of words as essentially a hobby. Other times, written work was commissioned into the game; much like people pay to get art of their OCs, people pay writers to put their OC into the smutgame. BubbleLord probably has the most experience writing on commission for CoC2.
Of course writing something for free is a big ask. But also...that's how writers start. You don't get commissions until someone trusts your writing ability. You don't develop either trust or writing ability unless you write. It sucks, but this is the creative business.
An exploitative practice doesn't actually become good or acceptable because it's long running, that kinda makes it worse.
I'm kinda flabbergasted that I'm getting "Writing for exposure is how we all started!" 'cause that's some bs. If it's normalized in your work place that's your work places problem.
I'm kinda flabbergasted that I'm getting "Writing for exposure is how we all started!" 'cause that's some bs. If it's normalized in your work place that's your work places problem.
Fengames (I know, I know. CoC 2 isn't a "Fen" game, but I hope you know what I mean!) have only meant being on the payroll for only a handful of people, and some other people get commissions.
Think of this as editing on a wiki: you are doing things pro bono regardless of the existance of head honchos getting paid.
Think of this as editing on a wiki: you are doing things pro bono regardless of the existance of head honchos getting paid.
It's writing for a video game. You can't say "Working for exposure is how you start out as a writer!" and then say "This doesn't count as professional writing, actually"
It's not a wiki, it's a video game.
It's not a wiki, it's a video game.
You do realize that the inclusion of community submissions is BECAUSE the community wants it? The team has it's writers, and their plans for content. The whole game can be handled with those writers, but if people have something they want to see that the writers don't want to write and want to do it themselves, there's an outlet. If they were forcing all their writers to work for free under the guise of exposure, THEN you'd have a problem, but what's really going on here is they simply provided something that was being asked for by the community itself.
We aren't trying to?? We're explaining that this isn't a case of exploiting writers like you seem to really want it to be. People wanted to contribute, for fun, experience, or whatever personal reasons they may have, and they gave them the means to contribute.
I suppose my local library is terrible and exploiting people because they utilize community volunteers? I certainly don't feel exploited, having willingly contributing my own time to it in the past because I wanted to.
I'll have to disagree that anything exploitative is going on here. If Savin et al made vague promises that people would be paid for their submissions and then refused to pony up the dough, then, yeah, that's exploitative. But if people are voluntarily devoting their time to something because they have a passion for it and are not expecting any sort of compensation whatsoever and are submitting content of their own free will, I don't see what's being exploited here. Every single scene in the game has a "Scene by: so-and-so", thus giving full credit to who contributed to the game.
So if someone is a writer and would like to contribute to this game, but they balk at not being paid for it, then they should not attempt to submit content. That's their right. Just like it's their right to submit content and not expect compensation.
Fengames have long been about community contribution. If you want something in the game, you could write/commission it and it'd probably be accepted if quality is up to par and it isn't distateful or lore-breaking. I've written my own ideal transformative for TiTS (Reptilum), and I'm hardly the only one, as well as having a few minor CoC2 things of my own in the submission pile.
That's not what I said, though. I specifically suggested writing on commission, as well. That is paid work.
Notice, also, that I mentioned that Savin had been "begging" Tobs for the opportunity to pay him. Tobs specifically refused to be employed by SavCo for years.
Honestly, the closest analogy to community writing submissions isn't "being employed by a video game company", it's video game mod support. It is optional user-created content (not necessary to complete the game and not even in the game's vision). However, in this case, devs edit your work for free, they make your work canonical, they code it into the game for you (also for free), and, in the case of community NPCs, the devs commission art for the game at their expense but to the writer's specifications (within limits) to suit that NPC. Also, you get in-game name credits, and any Patreon or carrd or commission stuff you may have gets shilled in the official blog. This is so vastly out of proportion to anything that community modders can expect from any video game company that it beggars the mind.
And much like how community mod creators usually start out just doing their own thing for free because it's a thing they want to see in the game and then transition to getting paid by people who like what they do, community writers usually transition fairly rapidly to being paid to write things that people like once people know that they're decent writers and that they'll like it. They can get paid on commission by the fanbase, who are generally less discriminating than the devs. Or they can get paid on commission by the devs themselves, who offer bounties to write characters and scenes to fill out necessary content areas.
In all cases, though, the content has to be well-written enough to meet editing and coding standards. And, more importantly, writers have to actually treat it like a job. This is the stumbling block for, I would say, the overwhelming majority of people who think that they can write smut for money.
I think that, as far as smut games go, SavCo and FenCo are some of the least exploitative producers out there. They're generous with the financial agreements they make with commissioned artists and writers, and they do a lot to nurture the talent that they do have. If you write well and stick around, you're treated in a way that's commensurate with what you put in.
So if I have you all right this isn't exploiting actual work which is why people have to wave their right to payment for it.
I dunno I think I'm being pretty reasonable but I'm far from a union builder out here bringing labor rights to the place I talk about pat sluttery in and it's no skin off my nose so it's not a cause I'm willing to argue a whole forum of people about.
That's a lot of ignored nuance to spin volunteer work in a negative light.
I think Alypia's response to you summed things up the best and I encourage you to give it a proper read if you haven't already. She makes a lot of good points.
You can tell a lot by the posts someone choose not to reply to.
Anyway I want a new patch to come so people have something else to talk about.
Anyway I want a new patch to come so people have something else to talk about.