What content would you like added?

[Alypia]

Ok... but that's kind of the whole POINT of mods isn't it? Resurrecting content that got scrapped only ADDS to the experience and a dedicated player shouldn't be looked down upon for such endeavors, even if their reconstruction doesn't match the original idea.

I respectfully disagree. wery has already brought up the "people constantly confuse modded CoC1 content for vanilla CoC1 content" issue, which is a regular occurrence; practically every time a lurker asks about CoC1 in the Discord these days includes such an instance. The versions of CoC1 that circulate on the free-download websites usually include mods packaged with them as a matter of course these days, which causes problems.

But there's another reason, and that is that there's a meaningful distinction between a BethSoft game and this one: open submissions. If you write something that you think is missing from the game, it can get into the game. That's how I got started writing here, that's how several other people have done their writing, and it ensures that quality would-be content doesn't get left by the wayside.

The only reason to mod something in is if that something wouldn't pass review and get into CoC2. Frankly, the things that don't pass review are things most people don't want in the game anyway: things like actively disgusting niche fetishes, content that fails to meet writing quality standards even after repeated edits, content that is simply not congruent with the rest of the game, and content that is overly ambitious and could not plausibly be supported (i.e. "you are tacking on a whole other game to this game"). Those bars are pretty low, and the review process is genuinely lenient. So long as you can get over them, you can contribute to this game in a way that you cannot contribute to Skyrim: The Final Version We Promise This Time For Realsies.

I don't think that it's unfair of devs to be disdainful of mods under those circumstances. There's no reason for them to look kindly on people who want to introduce blacklisted fetishes, no reason for them to appreciate content that's poorly written, and no reason for them to be okay with someone who wants to rewrite all the characters into something other than what they are. And if someone wants to make something overly ambitious, that's great...but they should probably do it in their own game, rather than this one.

 

[WolframL]

Ok... but that's kind of the whole POINT of mods isn't it? Resurrecting content that got scrapped only ADDS to the experience and a dedicated player shouldn't be looked down upon for such endeavors, even if their reconstruction doesn't match the original idea.

Take a look at this post for an example of how letting internet randos do whatever they want to your game can have serious consequences. The devs don't want to have to deal with that, even if the CoC1 modding scene hadn't been such an absolute clusterfuck of epic proportions.

And this is especially the case because the game is largely funded via Patreon and if someone starts distributing a mod of the game with content they're banning, they won't just come down on the mod but will come down on the original game like a ton of bricks. No bueno.

 

[Ancient Lurker]

Do you guys remember that mod that added ability to rape children and murder them afterwards into CoC? I do. And that's why devs are right for not letting anyone mod CoC2.

 

[Burnerbro]

Do you guys remember that mod that added ability to rape children and murder them afterwards into CoC? I do. And that's why devs are right for not letting anyone mod CoC2.

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

As for Resolve combat, it doesn't come into its own until later levels, when the enemy HP scales significantly higher than their Resolve pool, especially with all the extra Armo,, and until you get additional Tease specialists into your party through recruiting/unlocking sets for at least one of Dancer!Cait, Bimbo!Azzy and Quin. When I play as my pure Resolve damage Champs, I still see them somewhat lagging behind physical damage dealers because of two things: lack of debuffs as strong as the ones you can get with Sundering Armor and Grease, aside from Quin's Encounter power, and the lack of big party wide buffs even half as good as Blessing.

Also worth pointing out that Resolve damaging weapons and the way their damage scaled through the roof with the use of weapon based powers was the main reason for the Resolve overhaul, IIRC.

 

[Emily Smith]

Do you guys remember that mod that added ability to rape children and murder them afterwards into CoC? I do. And that's why devs are right for not letting anyone mod CoC2.

That is CoC HGG.. while I don't approve of paedophilia (and all peados should be shot in the head), that one had alot of other content that was good. (Thankfully children could be turned off in settings).
Mods can be great, CoC vanilla in my opinion was a bore, left unfinished and characters like Loppe never got their full expansion.. until I came across CoC X.. though CoC2 is much better and really doesn't need mods added, since it has great content already.

 

[wery12345]

Exactly, theres like only 2/3 pieces of content that I couldnt really care for out of everything it currently has, and it most has to do with the door in the frosthound.

 

[The Observer]

In addition to what Alypia said:

Many people in the past have all promised that there were huge markets of untapped consumers waiting out there for the game, if only we'd do what they told us to do. This is quite standard, and of course, the promises of massive customer bases are completely unfounded.

Nor are we overly concerned about "longevity" and "growth" in and of themselves -- growth for growth's sake is the mantra of the cancer cell. We don't have SI investors we need to show ever-expanding revenue and user bases every quarter, or else the funding dries up like thin spit on a hot stove. Growth has to be channeled to serve a positive purpose in order to be useful. As for longevity, planned senescence of a product is a thing. "The customer is always right" is a joke, and I learned that in my first job; cutting out toxic clients who were on average a net negative so that we could serve our actual customer base better was something my boss did occasionally. Not that the vast majority of modders are going to be paying us money in any form whatsoever -- dollars to donuts they just pirate the game. They're not even our customers, why should we care?

The history of CoC modding has been amongst the most virulent, toxic and drama-ridden heaps of nonsense, and we have absolutely no desire to repeat that for the sequel.

 

[Dark67titan]

Some that informs or shows the player of how to change the outfits on companions with how easy it is to miss, specially for new players or ones that are returning after a while away

 

[Dark67titan]

Halloween cait idea: she goes warlock

 

[WolframL]

Halloween cait idea: she goes warlock

Anything specific? Because we already have Witch Cait as a gear set and one seasonal event where she thought it was a good idea to try reading the Lovecraftian tomes of eldritch lore and got herself and the Champ tentacle-banged for her trouble.

 

[Dark67titan]

Anything specific? Because we already have Witch Cait as a gear set and one seasonal event where she thought it was a good idea to try reading the Lovecraftian tomes of eldritch lore and got herself and the Champ tentacle-banged for her trouble.

Huh I didn’t know about that second bit, maybe an expansion on that event then?

 

[Animalistic]

Bubbles just has to do some clean ups, then hopefully to the code pile.

Not sensing muxh certainty in your words, sumgai. He has been saying that for months...

 

[Bobonga]

Halloween Event Idea: Namahage visit the astral plane or the kitsune den. Namahage are Yokai that can be compared to Krampus. They go in in pairs of one red one blue from house to house and ask if there are any naughty children. Or they visit newly weds and the married couple has to host a dinner for them. This is still a tradition in some areas of Japan where the men of a village dress up as Namahage and scare lazy children.

Now the possible events:

a) If Kinu and Kyoko are still in the astral plane, Kyoko asked you to dress up as one to scare Kinu and her siblings. She does recognize the fraud and reacts according to her personality points. As a Inari shoji she plays along honoring your efforts, or busting you as a Kistsune Hime

b) If Kinu and Kyoko are freed, the males of the den and you dress up as namahage and visit adult Kinu, her siblings and the other females that are pregnant or you had children with. Adult kinus reaction depending on personality again.

c) If you married Kyoko, the men dress up and you actually have to host a dinner/party,

d) If you are a Kitsune yourself, Keros straight up asks you if you want to be his Namahge buddy. Then he (temporarily) transforms you into one and you two "scare" the entire den.

As a spooky part for b and c: There are 2 more dressed up persons and it turns out that these are actual Namahage.

As for the naughty part, let the writers do, what they do best.

To the writers:
If you do implement Namahage, don't forget their typical phrase "Waruiko wa inee ka?" meaning "Are there any bad kids around?"

For reference:
I got these informations from the youtuber "Gaijin Goombah media". It is from his video about the Goss Harag. The relevant information starts about the 5 minute mark.

 

[Alypia]

Not sensing muxh certainty in your words, sumgai. He has been saying that for months...

Bubbs delivered. Bats are ready to code.

 

[WolframL]

Huh I didn’t know about that second bit, maybe an expansion on that event then?

You can check it out right now if you want. Turn Seasonal Events to On from the menu and make sure that you've taken Cait to see Evergreen (if you've finished Cat Call you're already good there) and your Champ has lost their anal and/or vaginal virginity. I think you also need to have had sex with Cait at least once as well. Anyhow, do those things and then keep sleeping until the scene procs.

It probably is something that could work with an expansion, along the lines of 'Okay, I'm sure I've got the arcane ritual right this time, I swear!' xD

Not sensing muxh certainty in your words, sumgai. He has been saying that for months...

Back him on Patreon and you'll get access to his updates, one of which just came out days ago and lays out all the things he's been working on lately and why he's been so busy in real life as of late. The bats are among them.

 

[wery12345]

Yeah isnt a lot of time spent mostly coding it in after submission, considering how it seems recently every writer is trying to up each others wordcount Im not surprised if it takes a while for it to get in.

 

[Dark67titan]

You can check it out right now if you want. Turn Seasonal Events to On from the menu and make sure that you've taken Cait to see Evergreen (if you've finished Cat Call you're already good there) and your Champ has lost their anal and/or vaginal virginity. I think you also need to have had sex with Cait at least once as well. Anyhow, do those things and then keep sleeping until the scene procs.

It probably is something that could work with an expansion, along the lines of 'Okay, I'm sure I've got the arcane ritual right this time, I swear!' xD

Back him on Patreon and you'll get access to his updates, one of which just came out days ago and lays out all the things he's been working on lately and why he's been so busy in real life as of late. The bats are among them.

I don’t know any of the CoC2 cheats

 

[Animalistic]

Back him on Patreon and you'll get access to his updates, one of which just came out days ago and lays out all the things he's been working on lately and why he's been so busy in real life as of late. The bats are among them.

Yeah, why would I pay him to have access to something he got commissioned for? Seems weird to bring it up. Were you payed by him to promote his patreon?
Heh, besides, it is getting in the game sooner or later so I am good.

Bubbs delivered. Bats are ready to code.

Alas , bats come to pass!
Good to hear.

 

[WolframL]

I don’t know any of the CoC2 cheats

It's available from the Menu option in-game, no cheating required.

Yeah, why would I pay him to have access to something he got commissioned for? Seems weird to bring it up. Were you payed by him to promote his patreon?

No, I'm just pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about (and have a history of misinterpreting Bubbles' statements) and there are ways you could rectify that ignorance.

 

[Animalistic]

It's available from the Menu option in-game, no cheating required.

No, I'm just pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about (and have a history of misinterpreting Bubbles' statements) and there are ways you could rectify that ignorance.

This has nothing to do with bathing in ignorance tho. It is exact opposite actually. I asked because I wanted concrete answer. I got it. Now I can wait for bats.
I just find it weird that you are basically promoting a preorder bonus for something that I am getting for free in the game. That is already finished and coming soon?And you are doing it for free?But I get ya. Writers need to get paid and all that. Just funny that is all.

 

[NymphoElf]

In addition to what Alypia said:

Many people in the past have all promised that there were huge markets of untapped consumers waiting out there for the game, if only we'd do what they told us to do.

I wasn't trying to be like that. I apologize for coming across that way.

After having the situation explained, I have a much better understanding and have changed my mind about mods for COC/COC2 as it's currently planned to be made. I hadn't considered the fact that mods would mean that the modder has full access to the source code and could effectively steal the game and could potentially turn it into something very bad while keeping the same name, ultimately causing confusion and ruining the original project's integrity.

Again, I apologize. I didn't understand, but now I do.

 

[Burnerbro]

As a spooky part for b and c: There are 2 more dressed up persons and it turns out that these are actual Namahage.

As for the naughty part, let the writers do, what they do best.

I really like your idea as a whole, but this part stood out to me, since it reminded me about the fact that we have been teased with the idea of actual oni races existing out there plenty of times as they got mentioned in passing, but we don't haven't seen any in-game yet. And from how much the fellow nerds on these forums seem to thirst after kas, a pair of colorful, horni and toll ladies can be a smash hit.

Alternatively, getting some strapping big lads to mingle at the den would be neat too, for those who are into that kind of thing.

Yeah, why would I pay him to have access to something he got commissioned for? Seems weird to bring it up.

Cause it is a nice gesture of appreciation and a way to spend a chunk of one's personal smut budget on directly giving money to a someone who writes smut you like? Same logic as giving money to either part of FenCo despite technically being able to enjoy TiTS and/or CoC2 for free.

I wasn't trying to be like that. I apologize for coming across that way.

After having the situation explained, I have a much better understanding and have changed my mind about mods for COC/COC2 as it's currently planned to be made. I hadn't considered the fact that mods would mean that the modder has full access to the source code and could effectively steal the game and therefore turn it into something very bad while keeping the same name, ultimately causing confusion and ruining the original project's integrity.

Again, I apologize. I didn't understand, but now I do.

FWIW, The Observer was being extra cranky (or his normal cranky, hard to tell) and SIMPLY repeated his previous spiel on the subject HE SEEMS TO FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, not necessarily directing it at you. I don't think anyone here interpreted your questions as anything other than you not being aware of the beef the devs have with modding and not lurking more in advance.



P.S.

I really like your avatar. The style seems vaguely familiar, but i can't put my finger on it, past the obvious part of it being Zelda. Would you kindly share the artist's name?

 

[Animalistic]

Cause it is a nice gesture of appreciation and a way to spend a chunk of one's personal smut budget on directly giving money to a someone who writes smut you like? Same logic as giving money to either part of FenCo despite technically being able to enjoy TiTS and/or CoC2 for free.

Ey dude, I get how money transaction on patreon goes. I like the stuff, someone else supports it. I kid I kid.
I just find it weird that something that is coming in the game for free in short while (what he was paid for by developers mind you) is something that should convince me to support him. Without seeing the product first. That looks like a preordeing the game without any bonus or pre-promotion. And preorder is already a scam anyway.
But at the end of the day, as you said, it all comes down if I think that he deserves our money. And considering what he has released, from my standpoint, most of it does not appeal to me.
Still, bats! I am mostly excited for bats since I into them as a concept. Hope thatt they turn out good.

 

[Alypia]

I wasn't trying to be like that. I apologize for coming across that way.

After having the situation explained, I have a much better understanding and have changed my mind about mods for COC/COC2 as it's currently planned to be made. I hadn't considered the fact that mods would mean that the modder has full access to the source code and could effectively steal the game and could potentially turn it into something very bad while keeping the same name, ultimately causing confusion and ruining the original project's integrity.

Again, I apologize. I didn't understand, but now I do.

It's all good! Questions on a similar theme have been discussed before, so grognards can be a little tetchy about them, but fresh faces like you wouldn't really know about them.

Honestly, in games that don't have open subs, I think mods are usually pretty great, so it's not unreasonable to bring them up or anything!

 

[Bobonga]

the fact that we have been teased with the idea of actual oni races existing out there plenty of times as they got mentioned in passing, but we don't haven't seen any in-game yet.

There was a oni in Coc 1. Her name was Izumi and she was a side character and mini boss. Iirc she was the only oni in the game. But none CoC 2.

 

[WolframL]

I just find it weird that something that is coming in the game for free in short while (what he was paid for by developers mind you) is something that should convince me to support him. Without seeing the product first. That looks like a preordeing the game without any bonus or pre-promotion.

The pre-promotion is whatever content the person has already written, so that you have a good idea whether what they write appeals to you. The bonus is getting to see that stuff before it gets into the games and sometimes getting a measure of input, or seeing writing that isn't meant for the games and isn't released publicly but is still really neat, or high-resolution versions of the images in the game, or whatever else they want to do for supporters. Your analogy fails.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

So we are getting the bat people soonish? This pleases me greatly.

 

[Animalistic]

The pre-promotion is whatever content the person has already written, so that you have a good idea whether what they write appeals to you. The bonus is getting to see that stuff before it gets into the games and sometimes getting a measure of input, or seeing writing that isn't meant for the games and isn't released publicly but is still really neat, or high-resolution versions of the images in the game, or whatever else they want to do for supporters. Your analogy fails.

That is like buying every game studio has made only because they have their name attached to them. For example, games have stuff like trailers, prepromotion material and in game lets plays that show you what you can expect. Which is far more than what you did or what was posted inside of the forums. Since game publishers usually make sure that what is getting released is getting as much publicity as possible on many different platforms. Which is something that bats currently do not posses since most of their claim to fame comes for discord. Which Is why I asked for any information about the bats since I personally do not use that site/app to much.

Saying that I should support author based on his past workd is something that I can see the logic of, but is baking on presumption that author past works are worth anything for me and that they are continually going to release stuff that I enjoy. Which is not something I think the writer of our current predicament is capable of.

I feel like you and I put different values in what it takes for either of us to support a product. I am more on a side to support something only if I have enough insurance that I am going to enjoy it.

 

[jwins]

Do you want to read the bats content before it gets added to the game?

If yes, then support bubs on patreon even for a single month and get access to their doc.
If no, then don't.

It really is as simple as that

 

[Animalistic]

Do you want to read the bats content before it gets added to the game?

If yes, then support bubs on patreon even for a single month and get access to their doc.
If no, then don't.

It really is as simple as that.

I just felt the need to contextualize why I, the potential consumer in question, have no incentive to support the author you speak off... hahaha, yeah to pompous off me. Trur true. Glad that he was able to finish them after getting ass blasted by work.