Now, yeah, there's a minority of players (a small minority, per the Patreon poll today) crying out for guy dick, and we - I'm one of them - have been doing it for awhile. But the best way to get those guys in the game is to make new guys, not try to bolt dude-ification onto existing dickgirls and futas. It is, I guarantee you, much less actual work and frustration.
I was drinking a mug of tea when I read this thing!Well, one involves fantasy people with animal features, the other involves literally your dog and a jar of peanut butter.
i swear to god that if i had the money for it, i would now buy a plane ticket to where you live just to kiss you. For Father's sake, say that one day we can make that kitten box dream come true! PLEASE!!!!Yes! Her expansion includes:
- Two new sets: Red Mage (Magic DPS) and Dancer (Lust)
- Bunch of new Cait scenes, including:
- Anal deflowering
- Relationship stuff, talks, sleeping with her, y'know -- the good stuff
- Cait Leothranization TF (become thicc and fluffy like Syrish/Liresh)
- Optionally Set up a Temple of Mallach in town with Cait's BFF from the homeland and engage in Advanced Catte Thottery
It's not biased, it's just a limited and skewed sample. That's not what bias is. Sure, it has limited utility, but at the same time it is the best and easiest way for the devs to get actual metrics on what their community wants them to make. Meanwhile, polling people who don't currently spend money on CoC2 could potentially turn up an untapped fanbase, but it's more likely to turn up a lot of useless responses from people uninterested in the actual game and who just want to fuck with the results in the best tradition of Internet polls.Well, in a way, of course the Patreon poll will be a massive minority. The people who support the Patreon are the ones who are okay with the game in its current state: okay enough to support it financially in fact. In the patreon you will not find people who are advocating for such big changes in the first place! If the game did not had these issues it has in my eyes, I have no doubts in my mind I would be part of the Patreon as well! But since it doesn't, I don't. Hence why the Patreon poll is probably one of the most biased places you could ask that particular question.
I'm very familiar with the ratio, because I've counted it myself. For what it's worth, the number of female characters with no dick is actually more than double the number of DGs/futas.I know it is a big change and not something that could be tackled feasibly unless I get a large group willing to work together to do so. I mean, darn, I doubt I could event tackle this myself if I even tried! I am more of an ideas and scenario person, not an actual writer myself! My writing is atrocious, not helped with the fact that English is not my first language, so yeah, I am at an innate disadvantage at that. I mostly talk about the dude-iffication of current girls because there are far too many female characters. Even by making 10 to 30 new male characters (I have been counting it. The ratio to shemale to male is MASSIVE even for a fantasy world. Shemale isn't even that popular of a fetish), the balance will still be skewed, but writers already said they aren't really looking for balance but just writing what they like. I guess it is to be expected when there isn't really a diverse cast of writers with different tastes.
I guess I am just rambling now and this might not be the most well-written or structured post, but it is basically how I feel about this whole discussion.
And polling people who don't currently spend money on CoC2 could potentially turn up an untapped fanbase, but it's more likely to turn up a lot of useless responses from people uninterested in the actual game and who just want to fuck with the results in the best tradition of Internet polls.
For what it's worth, the number of female characters with no dick is actually more than double the number of DGs/futas.
Like I said, not even if it's an optional toggle for people like me? Something like silly mode for limited things? I do know about the lore of some characters (altho I must admit I had no idea who Evelyn was, as I always ran away from her. Kinda sad that there is no "gentle male dom" though)not going to get characters changed from being what they are to being something else. You're unlikely to get significant TF/TG options added to characters purely on your request, either, especially when you don't seem to care much about the characters themselves and much more about the abstraction of the Ratio.
I guess there is no other way around it. It is much easier said than done though. I have no idea where I could even start. Post a draft and/or ideas and get suggestions/help from people on the forums who could help me improve it OR would rewrite it themselves? Much easier said than done. Specially because most men prefer women, hence why women are much more popular.Submissions are open. If you don't think you're capable, find somebody who can meet the game's quality standards and get them to write what you want. That's where a lot of the women in the game have come from, after all
Brint does a pretty good job of filling that niche (and a lot of other things), IMO.Kinda sad that there is no "gentle male dom" though
It's all about skin in the game, whether time or money. I'm aware of one gentleman that's being commissioned into the game as we speak.I guess there is no other way around it. It is much easier said than done though. I have no idea where I could even start. Post a draft and/or ideas and get suggestions/help from people on the forums who could help me improve it OR would rewrite it themselves? Much easier said than done. Specially because most men prefer women, hence why women are much more popular.
Meh. Horse-face fucks Cait as well so no dice. He is just my bro.Brint does a pretty good job of filling that niche (and a lot of other things), IMO.
I hope he is a partner, because there is a serious lack of male partners. That's probably the worst. There is only Brint and... That's it. I am not counting traps.I'm aware of one gentleman that's being commissioned into the game as we speak.
I guess that's asking much, yeah. Even if it was just a toggle-able.Also, there's nothing wrong with requesting more dudes. Just don't expect people to change existing non-dudes into dudes.
My writing is atrocious, not helped with the fact that English is not my first language, so yeah, I am at an innate disadvantage at that.
I am more of an ideas and scenario person, not an actual writer myself!
If the game did not had these issues it has in my eyes, I have no doubts in my mind I would be part of the Patreon as well!
It could also be a way to expand the fanbase but I see what you mean.
Like I said, not even if it's an optional toggle for people like me?
I would like to second this motion. cuddle around the campfire, sharing a blanket and a mug of something warm and soothing.I want some Etheryn camp cuddles.
The devs are aware of this. That's why we don't use it as a "what should we do next?" barometer, otherwise you just end up with an infinite feedback loop. Anyway you're not the first person with grandiose ideas to "fix" the game and I doubt you'll be the last. I have to admit "turn every shemale into a male" is pretty low on the tier list of improvements we've been notified of though, for the reasons already mentioned. I don't mean this as a slam dunk but this idea was a no from its very inception.Well, in a way, of course the Patreon poll will be a massive minority. The people who support the Patreon are the ones who are okay with the game in its current state: okay enough to support it financially in fact.
Whatever fetish the Patreon says are not allowed I believe. So Incest, necrophilia, Beastiality, and Rape. Fenoxo and Savin try and toe the line on some of those fetishes. cos I guess whenever our character gets in a fight we have an unwritten agreement with the enemy that the winner gets to sex up the loser. There is also "I can't believe it's not incest" and TiTS has a Frostwyvern which I guess is a intelligent mythical beast so it doesn't count XD
I've brought this up before but Nice Time for Roo in a game with transformations is really weak to begin with. It's hard for an NPC to credibly steal your beloved when you can TF your dick to be 24", increase your stats, etc. It also has the added downside of making 85% of the playerbase despise
1) the character doing the NTRing
2) the character being NTRed away from you -- they are now considered 'tainted' forever even if the Nice Time for Roo scenario doesn't actually occur, simply because it could occur and that lessens the player's faith in them
3) the writer who did the Nice Time for Roo scenario
So it's lose-lose all around. And if you just make the scenario happen between two non-significant characters then it has no weight or authenticity because who really gives a shit if written-to-be-NTRbait is taken away from you by NTRchad? Nobody.
I want some Etheryn camp cuddles.
I would like to third the motion plus suggest a sleep with option, Ryn is so precious I just want to hold her all night long.I would like to second this motion. cuddle around the campfire, sharing a blanket and a mug of something warm and soothing.
Incest is banned? But... there is a shit ton of games on Patreon right now containing incest. Strange. Any chances there will be content featuring *step*siblings and *step*parents, where MAYBE imputing a code or an "unofficial" patch removes the *step* part?
granted, there is a small handful of implied incest situations in the game already, right? like with Ryn and the queen.
To be fair, Nice Time for Roo is quite a different beast to all the others on that list. At the end of the day, it's a matter of tone.Jesus, people really should address their emotional issues to a therapist, not in video games. You can add any sexual content in a game - threesomes, orgies, incest, bestiality, watersports, gay, rape, loli - and people not liking said content will usually just quietly skip it, or ignore it. Add Nice Time for Roo, and a small but VERY vocal minority comes out of the woodshed.
say that one day we can make that kitten box dream come true! PLEASE!!!!
That's why we don't use it as a "what should we do next?" barometer
there is a shit ton of games on Patreon right now containing incest. Strange.
I would like to third the motion plus suggest a sleep with option, Ryn is so precious I just want to hold her all night long.
just like virtually all major social networks?That would imply Patreon doesn't just make up rules to fuck with people and then selectively enforce them to spite others :^)
To be fair, Nice Time for Roo is quite a different beast to all the others on that list. At the end of the day, it's a matter of tone.
Simple debaucheries like threesomes and orgies are already perfectly wholesome unless you're bloody Victorian, as participating parties all go in consensually with the intention and expectation to simply have a good time. They fit right into a sexually open cultural setting.
Those that don't fit are simply...not present in full.
Watersports isn't presented at all, and it's one of the lighter fetishes. Unless you want to count squirting, but scientifically it's still undecided.
As I recall, there isn't any - for lack of a better word - "proper" rape in this game. Not the type where the victim would have to live with emotional and sometimes physical scars for life, or the type that are near-death experiences. It's less rape and more regular consensual sex with a unique, overly vigorous, DnD themed take on foreplay.
Bestiality isn't really bestiality when the beast in question is talking to you about his home town mid-coitus.
And uh...well the whole "she's actually older than the atoms in my body" doesn't work in court, but it helps those people sleep at night after their wank so long as no SWAT teams bust in. There aren't any of that in this game regardless of excuse.
Point is, these fetishes can be sanitized in one way or another to not be emotionally upsetting...to various degrees of effectiveness (seriously it won't work in front of a jury). Not all kinks are created equal, and I'm sure there are kinks you'd consider more than reasonable for people to be outraged about. CoC2's kink writing has always been in this sanitized realm, where all of it is at least somewhat consensual, and more importantly, fully enjoyable for everyone involved. None of it is genuinely disturbing, enraging or depressing. That is the tone of this game.
In the case of Nice Time for Roo, the emotional upset IS what makes it work. It has to be enraging and humiliating, and not even humiliating in the kinky way. Sanitize Nice Time for Roo and it's no longer Nice Time for Roo, at least not Nice Time for Roo enough for the people who are into that stuff. Consensual, fully enjoyable Nice Time for Roo is just pimping with a heavy discount, which we already have in the form of deploying Cait like a pokemon.
If CoC2 was the kind of dark game that presented all of those fetishes in their fully fucked up and in at least one case severely illegal glory, then yeah, people would let Nice Time for Roo slide. But it isn't. People in this section of the kink pool don't want to go any deeper, so it won't do to start digging potholes beneath their tippy-toed feet.
As a last note: being on this end of the internet for too long can really skew your views. Ask 100 people on the street who is more likely to need a therapist: the person into Nice Time for Roo or the person repulsed by it, 98 is gonna say the former. Some of us are being good little stoics about it and that's cool, but let's not pretend it's even remotely unreasonable to be upset about something that ruins decades long marriages. The vocal minority in this case comes from a majority that's too desensitized to actually bother speaking up, and that woodshed they came from is fucking enormous, filled with enough people to declare itself a major city.
People react that way because netorare is an extreme fetish - much more extreme than say, loli or just voyeurism. There might be no prolapsing organs or gore, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fetish made to provoke a deeply negative emotional response. It's obvious that people against it will be very vocal about it. I bet this topic has been talked to death here.You've just proven my point. People write bloody essays as soon as Nice Time for Roo is even mentioned, not even implemented in any form. I'm not surprised @Savin doesn't employ it, seeing as how he would need to act as a psychiatrist for half the forum.
I mean, yeah?You've just proven my point. People write bloody essays as soon as Nice Time for Roo is even mentioned, not even implemented in any form. I'm not surprised @Savin doesn't employ it, seeing as how he would need to act as a psychiatrist for half the forum.
Liresh and Syrish outright fuck each other, as do Miko and Mai.
Such a short response is a literal slap on the face to people tho. I feel much better having honest feedback from TheObserver, Wsan and Alypia like I have been doing. I think this kind of discussion is extremely productive for all parties involved, and just not for me but also for anyone else in the future!This last page is why I usually just answer things with "lolno" by the way.
You cannot in good faith just say "lol get writing" and expect someone to reach your level of quality, guys. By the time I finish writing an enemy or two, or the time I commission one NPC, there will be like 5 new female ones or so! I would require help, like people reviewing me.English as a second language is not an excuse. My first language is Chinese and that's about as far from English as you can reasonably get because it's a language that uses pictograms and not an alphabet. Somehow, I still manage. Shocking, I know.
Stop talking and start doing; several of our writers got started that way.
I now the "toggle" option is a no-no now, but to play devil advocate for myself:We're not about to divert resources from or alienate our existing playerbase just because the hundredth person promises that there really is a great untapped market out there and we would make so much more if we just did what they wanted us to do.
Well I wouldn't have known that until now. It still makes a lot of sense in my head, thought. For some reason, making more male characters would make the game feel a bit cluttered in my mind, but most people seem to think that's the better way to "fix" this ("fix" because they don't consider it an issue)have to admit "turn every shemale into a male" is pretty low on the tier list of improvements we've been notified of though, for the reasons already mentioned. I don't mean this as a slam dunk but this idea was a no from its very inception.
That's part of why I suggested the "toggle" thing. If not for gender changes, then maybe for two different modes: One focused on people attracted to females and the other for the ones who fancy males a bit more. I know the vast majority will always be people attracted to females because that is how hentai and porn works, but, like you said, sometimes male characters can do something special!The vast, vast majority -- yes, outside of the patreon poll -- of players want women and sometimes futa to fuck, and sometimes futa to fuck them. Do I think male characters (and companions) add something to the game? For sure. Were they necessary additions? I doubt it, but we'll never know.
Citation needed, pal.much more extreme than say, loli
You cannot in good faith just say "lol get writing" and expect someone to reach your level of quality, guys. By the time I finish writing an enemy or two, or the time I commission one NPC, there will be like 5 new female ones or so! I would require help, like people reviewing me.
I now the "toggle" option is a no-no now, but to play devil advocate for myself:
I am not asking for something that would be against the current playerbase at all. I don't see how a separate play mode would go against the playerbase interested. Let's say it was me changing the gender of all the futas for a toggle feature on a SEPARATE function, I don't think any of that would be offensive for any current playerbase. I am not coming here, and calling this place my own, at least I think I am not.
I guess in a way I see what you mean. I just don't like what I see, I guess. That's just the truth of it, lol.You write a decent character in a week/month/next 3 months and someone will still be interested in checking it out and reviewing it, don't try and create a hard deadline. It will just create stress, the other creators are making characters because they like it, not to fill up a quota.
That's actually a good point. It's probably way too late for that. Had it been suggested at the start of the project, it could have probably been used, but now it is far too late. I can't imagine the amount of work it would take.. Silly Mode was created around the same time as the original so there was less to edit and less to change so it and buttslut mode were made practically in parallel and as such any additional work was minimal.
When the point has already been discussed ad nauseam, sometimes all that's needed is to put the discussion to rest with a one-word answer by the guy who has the last word on things.Such a short response is a literal slap on the face to people tho.
Assuming by 'partner' that you mean a companion character, that door has closed, that ship has sailed and that train has left the station. You might want to read this deceptively prominent topic.Or I could go the cheap route and commission something. I would only really commission a partner.
I chose the wrong example here since loli is pretty degenerate by itself. You could argue that jerking it off to drawing of underage girls is preferable to getting off to actual emotional self harm, but this isn't a battle I am willing to take. My point still stands though. I have yet to meet someone who would regard a genuine I AM A BIG STINKY BRAIN as anything else than truly pathetic, or a degenerate. And I don't mean online. Smells like a giga cope.Citation needed, pal.
Loli is only accepted in the anime community. Ask anyone else and they will most be repulsed by it, and be all like "weird but ok" with Nice Time for Roo.
It is still a slap on the face nonetheless. I wouldn't know it has been discussed before.When the point has already been discussed ad nauseam, sometimes all that's needed is to put the discussion to rest with a one-word answer by the guy who has the last word on things.
I have read that one already. I was under the impression that only purple names get to make partners. So, even if I commission a purple name to make a companion character or something? Male companions are far too uncommon and you all know it far too well!Assuming by 'partner' that you mean a companion character, that door has closed, that ship has sailed and that train has left the station. You might want to read this deceptively prominent topic.
You could not. I for one would rather have people harm themselves over and over than harm children.You could argue that jerking it off to drawing of underage girls is preferable to getting off to actual emotional self harm
Because they are.I have yet to meet someone who would regard a genuine I AM A BIG STINKY BRAIN as anything else than truly pathetic