What are your gripes/criticism of TiTs?

[Xarit]

Where's the writers' guide?



He meant more storage. Portraits are CoC2-only I'm pretty sure.

this, 10 slots in the ship when in "late game" isnt enough with the large amount of unique weapons you get on the main storyline and with the sidemissions. it may work for clothing or some consumables (if you want to do trading runs and the like) but otherwise there's phat loot everywhere, there has to be a way to increase it to keep up.

as for the Flash thing. i downloaded the game and i use Flash Player to run it, nothing wrong with that. what i was saying is that if Flash is meant to disappear by 2020 and afterwards, shouldnt we be discussing about moving the game to a different engine or something? for longevity and ease of development in the future.

 

[Savin]

as for the Flash thing. i downloaded the game and i use Flash Player to run it, nothing wrong with that. what i was saying is that if Flash is meant to disappear by 2020 and afterwards, shouldnt we be discussing about moving the game to a different engine or something? for longevity and ease of development in the future.

What Franks meant is, there's already a .exe version you can play. While we'd love to switch our browser version off of Flash at some point, even if Flash died overnight it's not like you couldn't keep playing. The exe even has a save importer from the browser version.

stuff

Amen brother

 

[Franks]

this, 10 slots in the ship when in "late game" isnt enough with the large amount of unique weapons you get on the main storyline and with the sidemissions. it may work for clothing or some consumables (if you want to do trading runs and the like) but otherwise there's phat loot everywhere, there has to be a way to increase it to keep up.

as for the Flash thing. i downloaded the game and i use Flash Player to run it, nothing wrong with that. what i was saying is that if Flash is meant to disappear by 2020 and afterwards, shouldnt we be discussing about moving the game to a different engine or something? for longevity and ease of development in the future.

Okay, I stand corrected. I didn't realize you meant more storage.

Isn't air zip it's own thing though, or am I wrong?

 

[Frogapus]

Do the evils of the world deter you from continuing to live in it? I hope not. Their existence is not sufficient reason to quit the game we call life.

Various gods save us from everyone who trots out this reductive comparison every time criticism of a medium is brought up.

Games aren't life, and we can choose not engage in them. I'm saying that the content in the game is encouraging me not to engage with it, both as a player and a content creator. That's my gripe/criticism for this thread. I don't like contributing to something that houses stuff like this, so I think I'm not going to anymore.

 

[Xarit]

i see, then you can disregard that last part. i just felt worried the game may not get completed and left missing stuff due to that event.

 

[BoyHowdy000]

The bigger part is that the content is deterring me from playing, and, to be completely honest, killing my enthusiasm for writing more content.

I used to have a similar issue with some of the Ben/Bess' content a while back which left a sour taste in my mouth when my character acted in a way I never expected them to and went directly against my vision of them before I accidentally saved my game instead of reloading the file. After that moment, I would always feel off whenever I would play that character because I felt like something about them had changed, but when I took some time to actually think about it, I realized that this game is fundamentally about providing players with choices and letting them chose how they play their character and that not everything is going to be designed for me. This is the Gripes/Criticism thread and some of this content is indeed flawed and should be criticized, especially if it's a part of the main campaign, but in your particular case, it's important to remember that none of it actually happens in-universe unless you chose to interact with it. If you don't like something that happened to your character or that your character did, just reload your save and try it again. That option that you didn't enjoy was there to appeal to someone who wasn't you and you simply went down that path without meaning to. It doesn't mean that your character is forever tainted by that experience or that something about them has fundamentally changed without your consent. It's your character and as long as you just acknowledge that they wouldn't do or interact with whatever it is you're uncomfortable with and reload your save, nothing can come of it. There's no possible way any team of writers, no matter how large or how skilled, could write content that every single person who plays their game will enjoy, especially in a porn game that appeals to people's highly personal fetishes, so just focus on the content you do enjoy and ignore the rest. It's highly unfortunate that you feel the way you do, but your personal feelings toward a piece of content isn't something that anyone can fix because there are just as many other people who enjoy that content as much as you dislike it, so the best thing I can recommend is to just avoid it.

On that note, however, I do recognize that the Bad End content is a little hard to avoid considering you reach it through failing at combat, which you are almost always trying to not do. That kind of stuff sucks because you can't avoid them in the same way as the rest of the content in the game, but it's pretty obvious none of the Bad Ends are canon considering they force you to reload your save file afterwards and most of the legitimately "bad" Bad Ends either have you getting brutally slaughtered or succumbing to lust and live out the rest of your life as some form of humiliated slave. Unless you like reading that, just get annoyed that you lost the fight and reload the save without even reading the ending so you can beat the enemy that dared to best you like everyone else does. I know that "just ignore it" probably isn't the kind of advice you wanted to hear, but I hope my attempt to help you see the bigger picture of this game did at least something to help you.

Also, sorry for the long essay, I know it would have just been easier to say "just ignore it. Not all content is made for you," but as I can very much sympathize with how you're feeling now, I felt it would be better to take my time explaining myself so it didn't feel like I was talking down to you.

 

[Franks]

Various gods save us from everyone who trots out this reductive comparison every time criticism of a medium is brought up.

Games aren't life, and we can choose not engage in them. I'm saying that the content in the game is encouraging me not to engage with it, both as a player and a content creator. That's my gripe/criticism for this thread. I don't like contributing to something that houses stuff like this, so I think I'm not going to anymore.

But you're perfectly happy to throw temper tantrums on discord, advocate murdering characters you don't like and then curse staff members out when they disagree with you.



I might be an asshole, but at least I'm not a self-righteous hypocrite on top of it.

 

[Nonesuch]

You going back and finding some chatlogs of an obvious joke and her saying 'fuck you' to Savin doesn't disprove her point or make her a hypocrite even slightly. There's a distinct difference between what people say to each other informally as peers and what you publish in a game. It's also kind of unsettling you doing that, frankly.

 

[QuietCoyote]

You going back and finding some chatlogs of an obvious joke and her saying 'fuck you' to Savin doesn't disprove her point or make her a hypocrite even slightly. There's a distinct difference between what people say to each other informally as peers and what you publish in a game. It's also kind of unsettling you doing that, frankly.

it really doesn't seem like a joke, considering the context and the link to other conversations.

 

[Nonesuch]

it really doesn't seem like a joke, considering the context and the link to other conversations.

Yes, Frog genuinely had plans to murder the racist cop in her completely unrelated muppet bad end. She expected Fen to wave that through. That was a real thing that was going to happen, and Franks was right to get the vapours over it. Fuck me.

 

[QuietCoyote]

Yes, Frog genuinely had plans to murder the racist cop in her completely unrelated muppet bad end. She expected Fen to wave that through. That was a real thing that was going to happen, and Franks was right to get the vapours over it. Fuck me.

because nobody has ever used their writing to take out frustrations on other people's work in the history of the world, yes you are correct.

 

[BoyHowdy000]

...Is it bad that now I want to see a content war between all the creators as they try to come up with the most ridiculous ways to kill off their co-writers' most prized characters?

 

[Violent_Peace]

...Is it bad that now I want to see a content war between all the creators as they try to come up with the most ridiculous ways to kill off their co-writers' most prized characters?

I'll bet you 1000 dollars that even if it happened, some how some way, Anno would slip through all of the warfare and death and destruction to come out, but not because of lack of others targeting her, but because everyone will be focused on killing Riya first then maybe Fisi second and then Paige. By the time it's probably down to Anno, Reaha and Celese would be the last ones who were forgotten about as well to take her out.

 

[Franks]

Yes, Frog genuinely had plans to murder the racist cop in her completely unrelated muppet bad end. She expected Fen to wave that through. That was a real thing that was going to happen, and Franks was right to get the vapours over it. Fuck me.

I'm less annoyed about the Riya murderboner because you're right, that wouldn't get in. I'm more annoyed at the way Frog throws random tantrums and tries to morality police other writers by threatening to leave the game and constantly dropping out of the discord server because of whatever made her uncomfortable this week. There's a lot of things I really don't like in TiTs; hyper, for one.

And because I really don't like them, I don't go near them. And if I do wind up in a hyper scene, I click through it and go about my business. I don't start pointless drama about characters and scenes that have existed in the game for years and are just now bothering me for whatever reason.

I'm going to try to drop out of this thread for now, on that note.

 

[BoyHowdy000]

While we're on the subject of Riya, is her whole racism shtick an act or not? I could have SWORN I saw something somewhere that said it was, but I can't remember for sure and it's driving me crazy. I don't even know what it being an act would prove because she's still an ass to everyone and her not believing the stuff she says doesn't make it okay, but I just want to know the answer.

 

[QuietCoyote]

While we're on the subject of Riya, is her whole racism shtick an act or not? I could have SWORN I saw something somewhere that said it was, but I can't remember for sure and it's driving me crazy. I don't even know what it being an act would prove because she's still an ass to everyone and her not believing the stuff she says doesn't make it okay, but I just want to know the answer.

it's a shtick, she's not actually racist.
source: holiday event and her boss in general.

 

[Doots]

Anno would slip through all of the warfare and death and destruction to come out, but not because of lack of others targeting her, but because everyone will be focused on killing Riya first then maybe Fisi second and then Paige. By the time it's probably down to Anno, Reaha and Celese would be the last ones who were forgotten about as well to take her out.

Joke's on you, buddy, I have grudge against Anno that would put the dwarfs to shame.

 

[JohanLitvisk]

To add on to that, she saves her XENOS boss in the quest rather than letting her die. If she was really the racist asshole every things she is Grence wouldn't have survived that quest.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

To add on to that, she saves her XENOS boss in the quest rather than letting her die. If she was really the racist asshole every things she is Grence wouldn't have survived that quest.

Not exactly. Someone can do good in spite of their flaws, Golden Age Marvel heroes would have problems with beating their wives and such but still go out and save the day, it's not hard to imagine a racist character who sees someone of the race they hate in danger and saves them anyway because they have the power to or because it's their job. I'm not saying she is or isn't racist, just that it isn't necessarily true that saving her CO proves one way or the other.

Now, even though it's a bad idea, to try and add to the conversation: it is a problem to portray inherently evil acts like unjust killing and rape as anything but evil. You can't state otherwise. Gastigoth is super fucked up, and at the end of the day it is your choice to engage with it, but can you really say Khorgan's group deserves better when they tried to blow up a planet and were essentially going to do the same thing to Mitzi for simply being around at the time?

 

[JohanLitvisk]

So what, are you gonna promote death of the author? Because unless you're calling Franks a liar, he has already stated on both discord and the forums that Riya is just a troll who does the racism shtick for kicks.

Also, just to bring this up:

Do people forget that the setting of TiTs is a corporate dystopia?

Just because nothing bad happens to you outside of bad ends doesn't mean that bad shit isn't happening all the time. The player character is only being protected by both plot armor and in-universe fact that they are sort among the elite classes to begin with. Steele Junior has a much better start than most Jo(an)e Every(Wo)man Rusher. The universe of TiTs is not a nice place to life unless you're rich or live on a relatively quiet planet.

Again, the main solution to content you don't like is to just ignore it. No one is forcing you at gunpoint to interact with Riya in any capacity whatsoever. She doesn't stop you if your walk in her tile. She doesn't shout mean words at you if you walk in her tile. She's just there. And if you don't like the first impression, just skip out on her and move the fuck on. TiTS has enough content, whether some would want to admit or not, to have something for someone.

Don't let one memey raceplay troll suddenly ruin your entire experience of the game. =/

 

[Lkynmbr24]

I'll bet you 1000 dollars that even if it happened, some how some way, Anno would slip through all of the warfare and death and destruction to come out, but not because of lack of others targeting her, but because everyone will be focused on killing Riya first then maybe Fisi second and then Paige. By the time it's probably down to Anno, Reaha and Celese would be the last ones who were forgotten about as well to take her out.

You wouldn't harm this, would you?

 

[Evil]

Are you saying that Fisi is actually Antonio Banderas?

 

[Xarit]

i wouldnt consider the TiTS universe as dystopian. yes there's piracy, yes there's prostitution and sentient trafficking, yes there's people doing shady stuff and potentially corrupt organizations moving around the galaxy but that doesnt mean everyone in the galaxy is having a miserable life or there's a higher group making it miserable for everyone in general. we only see a handfull of the planets in the frontier rather than already populated planets, so it makes sense there's a lot of mayhem around when society hasnt properly settled on.

we're only looking throught the eyes of a fortune seeker instead of a regular citizen so we cannot know if life is good or not in that setting. as far as i cant tell, Tarkus is the only trully hostile planet to live due to the climate and the locals, but that's because the aliens in charge of the planet dont seem to give a damn about fixing their own world. Uveto is mostly uncolonized due to its climate, it should be ripe for settling if not for the cold while Mhen'ga seems fine for making home as long as you respect the jungle and dont stray too far from Esbeth. Myrellion is currently in a war scenario so it makes sense there's a feel of unease to visit it but so far the Myr society doesnt seems to have an issue with outsiders in both fronts, its the races living deeper underground that represent a possible issue to travellers.

 

[ShySquare]

are you gonna promote death of the author?

I mean, just because a writer or artist didn't intend for something to be in their work doesn't necessarily mean it isn't there.

I personnally think that most murderboners are an overreaction, and I don't care for Riya much.
Imho, whether Riya is actually racist or not is irrelevant, because in the end she acts racist and does and says racist shit (or rather specist, whatever), and that's enough for me to despise her as a person. I don't care about her motivations for doing so.
That certainly doesn't mean she is a badly written character, or that other people can't enjoy her.

No one is forcing you at gunpoint to interact with Riya in any capacity whatsoever. She doesn't stop you if your walk in her tile. She doesn't shout mean words at you if you walk in her tile. She's just there.

I think one of the problems with Riya is that she is stationed on the very first location that the player had access to, ie one where new players are probably gonna explore extensively and talk to every NPC.
Plus, there's no warning that she's gonna be unpleasant to characters who aren't pure humans. That's hardly anyone's idea of a warm welcome to the game.

That could probably be fixed if her tile description says that she occasionnally gives you dirty looks or glares when she catches you looking at her when the PC isn't pure human, to warn off the player.
But Riya would probably still be complained about, because who even reads descriptions in a text-game ? /sarcasm

 

[Resawar]

tile description says that she occasionnally gives you dirty looks or glares when she catches you looking

From her tile on a fresh game.
Xeno: "There’s a woman in a U.G.C. uniform loitering about, gazing at you with undisguised suspicion."
Human:"There’s a woman in a U.G.C. uniform loitering about, watching the passing shoppers keenly."

(Edit: Ah ow oh "/sarcasm")

 

[Violent_Peace]

You wouldn't harm this, would you?

Waifu wars and creators fighting creators Lkynmbr, you really think someone wouldn't gun for Fisi?

If I had a character I wanted to be number 1 and Fisi was in compemtition with them this would be me

 

[null_blank]

I could have sworn Gastigoth prisoners had to give consent before getting turned out for tricks.

Also: who gives a fuck about a bunch of criminals?

 

[ShySquare]

From her tile on a fresh game.
Xeno: "There’s a woman in a U.G.C. uniform loitering about, gazing at you with undisguised suspicion."
Human:"There’s a woman in a U.G.C. uniform loitering about, watching the passing shoppers keenly."

(Edit: Ah ow oh "/sarcasm")

Okay, but there's a difference between "being suspicious of someone" and "being ready to insult them as soon as they open their mouth".
Imo "suspicion" is too weak and neutral, when Riya's attitude towards xenos is based on very subjective opinions. Plus if an NPC is "suspicious" of me, my first instinct is to go up to them to clear up a misunderstanding or think that this NPC has a quest for me.

I'd rather "distaste" or even "hostility" (dirty looks, stink eye, glares) to warn off others, but then English isn't my first language and I don't care for Riya's content, which is why I avoid her.
I'm just advocating to give other players a clearer warning.

I could have sworn Gastigoth prisoners had to give consent before getting turned out for tricks.

Iirc, if they agree to the Gastigoth program, they get better treatment than prisoners who don't, but that could mean anything from having access to books to finally having toilet paper or being allowed to write to their family.

 

[coldmonkey]

It's just porn.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

So what, are you gonna promote death of the author? Because unless you're calling Franks a liar, he has already stated on both discord and the forums that Riya is just a troll who does the racism shtick for kicks.

Also, just to bring this up:

Do people forget that the setting of TiTs is a corporate dystopia?

Just because nothing bad happens to you outside of bad ends doesn't mean that bad shit isn't happening all the time. The player character is only being protected by both plot armor and in-universe fact that they are sort among the elite classes to begin with. Steele Junior has a much better start than most Jo(an)e Every(Wo)man Rusher. The universe of TiTs is not a nice place to life unless you're rich or live on a relatively quiet planet.

Again, the main solution to content you don't like is to just ignore it. No one is forcing you at gunpoint to interact with Riya in any capacity whatsoever. She doesn't stop you if your walk in her tile. She doesn't shout mean words at you if you walk in her tile. She's just there. And if you don't like the first impression, just skip out on her and move the fuck on. TiTS has enough content, whether some would want to admit or not, to have something for someone.

Don't let one memey raceplay troll suddenly ruin your entire experience of the game. =/

I said that your stated reasoning doesn't necessarily hold up, regardless of what is or isn't the case.

And yes, TiTS is a dystopia, but I never said "bad things shouldn't happen", I said "bad things shouldn't be treated like good things". If they were going for a darker tone then the occasional 'hard rape' and murder scenes in some Bad Ends would be common, and that would be fine, unless it was portrayed as something perfectly okay to do. That is why villains do these things, to help readers demonize them, and why they are illegal in real life.

And I did mention that you can ignore Gastigoth and the like, I am aware of continue to use this method.

I could have sworn Gastigoth prisoners had to give consent before getting turned out for tricks.

Also: who gives a fuck about a bunch of criminals?

We basically pay to shorten their sentences in exchange for sex, and I think it's more for pregnancy. It's really horrifying.

And while they deserve horrific punishment, this is just not something I want to participate in.