The Nursery
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What are you talking about? She´s been thoroughly raising Steele for this very purpose
But this made me think. Will it just be "wanna bang?", "sure", right from the get go? Or is it gonna be an evolving relationship, where either Steele has to continuously seduce Briget, or they naturally grow closer through interactions with each other (talk options etc.)?
Or something else? (*installs incest program)
I can't see it via search but I thought Savin said Bridget was a grown AI, probably the whole "emotions" thing. Anyways, from what little I've gleaned it seems growns are less susceptible to programming and logic dictates this would get worse as the AI ages. If I'm wrong then so be it, but this logic leads to if Vic had any hand in it it would be persuading Bridget not subverting programming.
Hmm this would be an interesting potential element to Birget "incest" http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WifeHusbandry
Heh she did her best to raise you into her ideal gentleman/woman and along the way perhaps comes to realize she did the job too well?
Heh she did her best to raise you into her ideal gentleman/woman and along the way perhaps comes to realize she did the job too well?
Nonsense; give it a try, you might like it.
Also I am absolutely okay with being the resident incestuous breeding lover. Relationship when.
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Careful, you might just get that as your title, Savin lurks within these waters matey (no idea why I went with a pirate tone at the end)
I'm down for the Birget-cest, but then again with fiction I tend to not care about that anyway and just focus on the hot, intimate, or (insert adjective here) smut, so that's not really a surprise.
I had an idea of how to get the best of both worlds with the time-skip as well as "Tech should matter in pregnancy times.": What if Steele has a pod/can get a pod that allows her to speed up her pregnancy via...nutrient solution/nanites/w/e scifi excuse is chosen, but basically she'd be able to use it as the skipper instead of just waiting around for months at a time. Now, to keep this from breaking the game just as much and preventing pregnancies and their length from becoming arbitrary, I suggest that for each "session" Steele spends in the tank, she has pay for the...nutrients/nanites/w/e is used as the catalyst as well as the nutrients so Steele doesn't consume herself in the process.
This would fit the story as I cannot imagine even then the ability to artificially speed up the pregnancy would be cheap, let alone the supplies needed to make it happen. This could also be balanced with different payments/time skipped. The less Steele is willing to or able to pay, the smaller the time period hopped. I'd personally suggest avoiding the entire pregnancy being skippable and have certain time periods marked for "Steele gets out and is pregnant for awhile." with the max being maybe 4 months.
Don't know how doable this is, or how much writing or coding it would entail, but it would at least incorporate the "time/process goes by and pregnancy advances" that the time skip was going for and would still avoid breaking the game by rendering the urgency of the hunt moot.
I had an idea of how to get the best of both worlds with the time-skip as well as "Tech should matter in pregnancy times.": What if Steele has a pod/can get a pod that allows her to speed up her pregnancy via...nutrient solution/nanites/w/e scifi excuse is chosen, but basically she'd be able to use it as the skipper instead of just waiting around for months at a time. Now, to keep this from breaking the game just as much and preventing pregnancies and their length from becoming arbitrary, I suggest that for each "session" Steele spends in the tank, she has pay for the...nutrients/nanites/w/e is used as the catalyst as well as the nutrients so Steele doesn't consume herself in the process.
This would fit the story as I cannot imagine even then the ability to artificially speed up the pregnancy would be cheap, let alone the supplies needed to make it happen. This could also be balanced with different payments/time skipped. The less Steele is willing to or able to pay, the smaller the time period hopped. I'd personally suggest avoiding the entire pregnancy being skippable and have certain time periods marked for "Steele gets out and is pregnant for awhile." with the max being maybe 4 months.
Don't know how doable this is, or how much writing or coding it would entail, but it would at least incorporate the "time/process goes by and pregnancy advances" that the time skip was going for and would still avoid breaking the game by rendering the urgency of the hunt moot.
*shrugs again* Not worried either way. It's a solid idea that works with what the devs want to happen but will also allow for flexibility needed with a lot of the desires of preggo fans like myself.
If they don't like it, fair enough, otherwise, looking forward to other more detailed opinions.
That kinda misses the point of Vat-wombs. Which was to allow people to have access to the post-pregnancy nursery content that desire to skip through the pregnancy or those that just want free-up their wombs for more children.
The majority having a fetish for pregnancy doesn't seem to be a valid reason to force people that might not share or share only part of that fetish to go through pregnancy content. At least when there doesn't seem to be another alternative.
This seems wholly unnecessary and really complicated when you could just have a "pregnancy catalyst" consumable to accelerate or skip the pregnancy and put it as Tamami product.
This was certainly considered before, but isn't waiting a huge time skip that is going to be extremely broken and immersion breaking?
And you're missing the point that post-pregnancy content is going to be bare-minimum if there at all so far, so focusing on a method that only supports that is just as invalid as your claim about the pregnancy content. Vat wombs defeat the purpose of Steele being pregnant in pretty much every way and I already brought them up as an idea myself, which you would have noticed if you'd read the thread. (sorry but you missed one part and evidently another so I'm going to go under the premise that you came in at the end.)
Speaking of which, there is an alternative to the pregnancy content...don't get knocked up or if you do and don't want to be, use an earlier save. Most pregnancies in game are fairly short which alleviates the issues you describe but for the longer ones there's no method of speeding it up or skipping it at all. My idea would provide the best of both worlds in letting those who enjoy such content
can have their fun, but those who don't can use it to hurry things along if they don't want to go back to an earlier save.
As for it being complicated...the 'magic pill' solution was also turned down because it break suspension of disbelief. To have a pill that can cause people to have their children in days instead of months is as story breaking as it would be for Steele to just use the time skip and for everything except the pregnancy to move forward. It would lead to massive overpopulation in many planets and unless the mother is massively overweight, would kill her due to the needs of her body to help her baby grow. With magic you can wave that away as "magic draws in what's needed" but with a pill/catalyst everything has to come from the mother the moment it's taken and they wouldn't be able to survive the process. Plus no pill/catalyst could plausibly provide what's needed for a baby to be ready to be born due to the sheer mass needed for the baby to form and grow.
My idea, while complex, is flexible enough to work with: The need to be able to skip for 'long periods of time', allows for stopping at certain points to allow mesophiles to enjoy their belly content and preggo sex, gives options for how long the skipping is so no one side is favored, gives plausible reasons for how it works without forcing the devs to write out the scientific minutia, has a cost/price to prevent the system from being broken and abused, and will allow all of the above without breaking the game being included.
Bottom line, the quick fixes aren't going to work and something more involved is going to be needed if we're going to reach a reasonable compromise. So at the risk of being confrontational Lashcharge, if you aren't going to help beyond throwing already dismissed simple ideas at the problem, don't knock other peoples ideas for trying to make the best of an inherently complicated situation which is exactly what trying to speed up a pregnancy is.
Gotta second that the blurbs one gets when you wander around populated areas when preggers is probably one of the best things about pregnancy in this game. Though the fact that none of your companions/lovers make any sort of peep about Steele being knocked up, especially when it's possible that they may be the father, has always annoyed me.
They also don't notice when you transform from a shortstack goblin girl to a giant minotaur with a cock the size of Kiro's in the span of about five minutes. It's just how the game rolls.
+1 this. Would I like some scenes with Steele getting to play with the kids, yes. Unfortunately TiTS isn't geared for that and knowing that they are safe and well cared for will have to be enough for me.
Also +1 this but at the same time Couch sums up the issues with that pretty well.
I think after a certain point they just don't notice and treat the TF likes body outfits, which in a sense is how they work in the game.
I knew that it would be bare minimum content, I still wish I could've access to it without going through pregstuff or carefully manage obscenely long timers while trying to be lucky. And I've also suggested vat-wombs in this thread before, so I've been paying some sort of attention to the thread.
Forcing people to get a earlier save(which they might not have) is not a solution to be unintentionally knocked-up. New players will be ignorant of Sterilex existence and they shouldn't have to go to the wiki to be aware of every possible avenue of content, before playing the game. Also punishing them for an extreme long-time for not knowing there is pregnancy content in the game seems unnecessarily mean and a bit too eerily realistic for a porn game.
I don't see what wrong with that, since it would be only there as an option. People that don't like pregnancy would use it , people that do wouldn't use it.
The problem here is that there is no way to end a pregnancy(abortion is forbidden for a good reason) and the alternative to it is being denied because it doesn't cater to pregnancy fetishists. This both feels like it's missing the point of vat-wombs and forcing people to go through pregnancy content even if they don't want to.
That's a believable explanation that I could take. However, there's a few buts. Nanomachines/viruses already do in game impossible biological feats of organic manipulation, which is essentially magic. It doesn't help that one of the starter perks already allows one to cut a pregnancy in half. The Treatment already establishes that sudden increases in mass in short periods can be compensated by overindulging in protein, so it doesn't have to be there the moment it's taken.
A catalyst/nanomachines that speeds up the pregnancy is certainly believable within the established lore, if taken within reasonable limits(cut down a 9 month pregnancy to 1).
Well not really, if I play as a character with a penis I can do that, I will just have to spread the seed a lot and hope I remember to visit their places at the end of the timer. Which is annoying but doable.
The problem I see with your suggestion is that it just replaces a pill with a vat. You're trying to get around the lore problem by having more of it and making it more mechanically complex.
I can't help but feel that the quick fixes are being ignored for what seem to be bad reasons.
As I've mentioned above, what if the person is already knocked up and doesn't want to go through the pregnancy?
Another semi-related question, how have pregnancies with egglayers have been decided? For example if a raskvel male impregnates the player, will the pc vagina suddenly grow the ability to have eggshell around the fetus or was it decided that all would births would be live births?
Vat wombs would be nice as an alternative to abortions. Especially since there are still gaps in Sterilex's coverage such as with getting oviposited. At the very least some sort of sterilex+ which can block eggs from incubating inside of you seems to be in order.
The debate is going in circles at this point, either you aren't willing to accept that there isn't going to be an easy 'skip it solution' to you not wanting to deal with pregnancy. As for the "Forcing people to get a earlier save(which they might not have) is not a solution to be unintentionally knocked-up"...it's a video game...of course it's a solution. If they don't have the saves, to be brutally honest...that's on them. Nobody is making them not save and nobody is telling them to charge into situations like combat without having a way to go back and make another choice.
There's giving players and out, which is what my idea provides, and bending over backwards so people don't have to deal with something that is important to both consistency and plausibility in both lore and gameplay, which is what you're expecting.
I do agree on the Stirilex being available everywhere being a solid option. Plus I think our resident goo girl could do a solid job of warning players about pregnancy, either with filling up a female Steele, or swelling up after being jizzed by a male Steele.
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My solution to this is very direct: Sterilex needs to be available on every planet and in very prominent ways, and there needs to be an "Infertile" starting perk for people that dislike the fetish to the point of never wanting to have to deal with it. Pregnancy in TiTS is something that needs to happen only when the player wants it. Too many problems arise from allowing accidental pregnancies, and having a character that doesn't want children just tossing them in a vat-womb like the inconvenience they are and then sending them to the Nursery isn't really all that great in the first place. That's... it's kind of fucked up, honestly. >_>
In fact, I would go so far as to say that the tutorial needs to inform the PC of what Sterilex is and what it does, and probably even supply them with some. It's the go-to contraceptive in the TiTSverse, and I know I'm going to be mentioning it constantly in my own content. Aislinn takes it. I know Nonesuch has Sera mention that she normally takes it. Savin has said that he's going to incorporate it over space-condoms. It's an integral part of the universe by now, to the point where God-Emperor Couch would be rich beyond his wildest dreams.
If we're ever going to have something like SSTD's having a "safe sex" primer in the tutorial is probably going to be needed anyways. Sterilex and contraception can and should be a part of that. Players should basically have a giant flashing sign that says "SEX MAKES BABIES, BE AWARE"
Pfft missed this post before making my last one. Sterilex should get more endorsement but yeah the gaps in it's preventative coverage also need to be filled in.
Hm with pregnancy talk and such comes the need for some intimacy with expectant mothers. Gently rubbing their growing bellies as you whisper to the child within, rubbing their feet and ankles after a day of walking (or whenever). Quick scenes and such may be popular(?) but a slow romantic build up can be nice. Goes back to lurking/hiding.
I'm gonna TL;DR through the last page because holy shit so many words.
re: Vat Wombs/etc. -- Fen's said this is going to be a Late Game Upgrade, if it exists at all, so we can't design content around the player having it. Cuz you won't for the longest time either way.
That said, I may Executive Decision some kinda eggnancy storage where you can poop out the nyrea eggs or venus pitcher seeds or whatever and free up your womb. Not QotD parasite-eggs, mind (they need your genetic material), but most eggnancies could probably safely be transferred into an incubator. I was initially going to have Brigit be able to be oviposited by Steele, but then I realized that there's no actual ovipositor in the game (Nyreadick notwithstanding), and fuck if I'm going to repeat the Leithan Mistake and add content for it. Maybe give her belly an incubator chamber instead for delicious pregnant-belly robowaifu? That sounds like fun for the whole family.
Why do I get off on people being stuffed with eggs but not babies what the fuck Savin.
Anyway. Pregnancy Accelerator drugs might be a thing, if we can all suspend our disbelief that such things wouldn't cause harm to poor fetusbabby. Probably expensive one-shots, though. Could see players who want big, pregnant bellies using it to skip the first trimester, or breed-hungry chars using it to bump out numerical hoards of kids.
Which, as much as Misty might like the intimate aspect of pregnancy, it's also worth remembering there's the Alpha Male player (or the femme equivalent, the Broodmare) who wants to have lots and lots of kids, possibly with with lots and lots of partners. Scratch that lizard-brain urge to spread the gene pool far and wide. Or the cookie-clicker urge to see numbers go up on your screen. Not sure which. Either way, not sure the same content packs will appeal to both groups, but they should both be kept in mind for designing content in general.
re: Vat Wombs/etc. -- Fen's said this is going to be a Late Game Upgrade, if it exists at all, so we can't design content around the player having it. Cuz you won't for the longest time either way.
That said, I may Executive Decision some kinda eggnancy storage where you can poop out the nyrea eggs or venus pitcher seeds or whatever and free up your womb. Not QotD parasite-eggs, mind (they need your genetic material), but most eggnancies could probably safely be transferred into an incubator. I was initially going to have Brigit be able to be oviposited by Steele, but then I realized that there's no actual ovipositor in the game (Nyreadick notwithstanding), and fuck if I'm going to repeat the Leithan Mistake and add content for it. Maybe give her belly an incubator chamber instead for delicious pregnant-belly robowaifu? That sounds like fun for the whole family.
Why do I get off on people being stuffed with eggs but not babies what the fuck Savin.
Anyway. Pregnancy Accelerator drugs might be a thing, if we can all suspend our disbelief that such things wouldn't cause harm to poor fetusbabby. Probably expensive one-shots, though. Could see players who want big, pregnant bellies using it to skip the first trimester, or breed-hungry chars using it to bump out numerical hoards of kids.
Which, as much as Misty might like the intimate aspect of pregnancy, it's also worth remembering there's the Alpha Male player (or the femme equivalent, the Broodmare) who wants to have lots and lots of kids, possibly with with lots and lots of partners. Scratch that lizard-brain urge to spread the gene pool far and wide. Or the cookie-clicker urge to see numbers go up on your screen. Not sure which. Either way, not sure the same content packs will appeal to both groups, but they should both be kept in mind for designing content in general.
I do think "intimate family setting" and "re-enacting the third Hobbit movie with babies" sort of run directly counter to one another, but I'm sure there's a way to make them play nice with a dash of creativity and suspension of disbelief.
What we need is bunny girls.
Sweet, loving, cuddly bunnygirls who love having their huge, gravid bellies rubbed and snuggled.
But also breed like bunnies.
Space Sponty wen
I'm not sure how much I'd like cramming a "Have Safe Sex" lesson into the game's tutorial. I have a hard time imagining Tricky Vic standing over you in his tutorial hologram reminding you to wear a rubber before you pump Celise full of baby batter. Maybe just get an email or something right after starting out reminding you -- make it a little more natural/less invasive. I'd say "I'll go write that right now" but I'm on sickcation so remind me next Monday or so. Maybe by then we'll have figured out what an SSTD is and how it works, too, so I can mention them as well.
I am, however, 100% behind an "Infertility" starter sexperk being added. Would actually give me an option other than "Milky" to ever bother starting with. @Gedan: Can has pls?