Nightgames Mod (v2.5.1.2) updated 2/11/17

jskil5

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thats odd im using the latest released build tho but if im mistaken ill download the latest
 

Pim_gd

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Goddammit tentacles. Lemme edit up a save file to test that stuff out... :(


Okay I think it's fixed now.


At least I couldn't reproduce it when I spammed Reyka and my character with tentacle tonics.


2.3.2.1


Bug fixes:


- Goddamn tentacles.


https://mega.nz/#!M4InTJ7C!gVjDK6XJYDFtdqxWQPMLIHuGJXXOUH2Z12iQe8QgwgA


thats odd im using the latest released build tho but if im mistaken ill download the latest

You need this one, the one in the first post is still 2.3.2 and has the issue you mentioned
 

Spike razor

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Uh I don't remember making that change, so must have been a bug. 


I haven't seen the meter issue either. I have ran night games on mac and windows, but never linux.


@Spike razor, what actually happens? does anything open? Did you extract the zip file?


@Zalzany, yeah I have to think of a way for seduction and cunning builds to get a knockdown early. You can still win without knocking them down, but it definitely feels kinda bad when you're always not in control. Maybe there needs to be a perk for pleasure damage to weaken opponents? not sure how to balance that one though.


@tjmac124, I uh try to avoid writing scenes if I can help it, sorry. I'm a bad writer, and while short stuff like skills are fine, I definitely feel like any of my written scenes are lacking. If you would like to contribute, it would be greatly appreciated, but otherwise new scenes will be slow. I know I said I'd never accept any kind of money for this, but IF and only IF someone wants to, they could maybe commission some of the great smut writers around here to do some short scenes that they personally want implemented. I would be happy to help integrate.


I'll look into the starting traits. I'm sure we can find something interesting.

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nergantre

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@Spike razor, no to what? anything open? extracting the zip file?


Btw I was trying to reevaluate the traits for each character and ended up making a text file for my own benefit explaining the exact mechanics for each Trait. Some of them actually surprised me since I didn't even know they were in the game :p


I thought I'd dump it here since someone may be interested.





Traits:


Tier -1/Weaknesses:
Naive
Ticklish
Insatiable
Lickable
Imagination
Achilles
Naive
Footfetishist
Hair Trigger


Tier 0/Starting:
Exhibitionist
Romantic
Dexterous
Experienced
Wrassler
Pimphand
Stableform
Brassballs


Tier 0.5/Training perks:
Tickle monster - Improves Tickle pleasure and stamina drain.
Heeldrop - Changes Stomp into Double Heeldrop (drastically increases pain damage dealt)
Spider - Allows you to use the Spider Web trap.
Expert Tongue - 16.6% chance to inflict the Trance status effect when causing oral pleasure. Improves oral pleasure by a base of  max(10, min(30, Seduction / 3) * your % arousal + 0-2. Improves Kiss' base damage by 5.
Disciplinarian - Allows you to inflict shame with slap if you have > 5 mojo (50% chance).
Poker Face - Allows you to use the Poker Face skill at 9 cunning (5 turn cooldown, 20 mojo cost, calms yourself by 25% of your maximum arousal, heals yourself for 20-44, applies the Unreadable status)
Silver Tongue - Improves various oral Skills, usually by 4 base pleasure damage.
Judo Novice - Allows you to use the Hip Throw skill (a 10 mojo skill like Trip that uses Power instead of Cunning).
Misdirection - Allows you to use Diversion skill (builds 25% mojo, strips one of your articles of Clothing, gets behind the opponent and makes them flatfooted)
Dirty Fighter - Allows you to kick while you are on the ground. When dealing pain damage while in a submissive position, increase it by 10.
Spiral - Allows you to use the Spiral Thrust/Spiral skill (use up all your mojo to do massive pleasure damage. Inflicts the Lethargic status affect for 30 turns, decreasing your mojo gain by 75%)
Fearless - Allows you to use the Bravado skill (costs all your mojo, minimum of 20. Calms you for 20 + amount of mojo spent / 2. Heals you for mojo spent. Restores willpower by 2 + mojo spent / 10)
Clairvoyance - Improves evasion by 5 and counter chance by 3
Locator - Allows you to use the Locate match action (If you have underwear from winning a match, you can locate the owner. Applies a 10% per move arousal over time for 10 turns on yourself.)
Desensitized - Reduced pleasure modifier by .5
Affectionate - Improves affection gain upon draws. This basically does nothing right now.
Aikido Novice - Improves counter chance by 3
Clingy - Reduces opponent's escape stat by 5
Fakeout - Improves counter chance by 3
Fae Friend - Reduces mojo cost to summon a faerie from 25 -> 10


Tier: 0.?/Addiction Causing
Magic Milk
Zeal Inspiring
Corrupting
Breeder
Mind Controller
Dominatrix



Tier 1:
Oiled Ass - Don't need to lube yourself up before using reverse ass fuck
Heels Pro - Removes the speed and knockdown penalties for wearing heels.
Sprinter - Improves your chances of escaping (by an effective 5 speed)
Quick Recovery - Heals 1-2 stamina per turn
Boundless Energy - Heals 1 stamina per turn
Sneaky - Improves hiding by 5 effective cunning (basically useless)
Personal Inertia - Increase status effect durations by 50%
Confident - Out of combat, restore willpower faster and mojo decays slower (5 willpower/turn, -10 mojo/turn - > 10 willpower/turn, -5 mojo/turn)
Unflappable - You do not become flatfooted when getting ass fucked
Resourceful - 20% chance to not consume an item on use.
Treasure Seeker - Reduces Cache difficulty by 5 Attribute points
Leadership - Increases power of pets
Tactician - Improves pet evasion rate, effectively making them last longer
Always Ready - Removes arousal restriction on fucking
Cautious - Extra chance of disarming traps (effectively 5 higher perception)


Tier 2:
Biting words - 25 -> 50% chance to shame on taunt, 2% + 0-2 willpower loss if taunting from a dominant position
Raw Sexuality - Tempts both you and the opponent for 4% of your respective max arousals.
Lactating - Breasts now count as fluid producing body parts (for other traits). Nurse can apply the Suckling status effect. Suckle now builds 10% mojo instead of 5% for your opponent.
Deft hands - Increases pleasure with hands by 2-5
Nimble toes - Increases pleasure with hands by 2-5
Pole control - Increases pleasure with cock by 8
Hole control - Increases pleasure with pussy and ass by 5
Pussy handler - Increases pleasures towards pussies by 5
Dick handler - Increases pleasures towards cocks by 5
Ass handler - Increases pleasures towards asses by 5
Insertion Master - Increases base pleasure damage by seduction / 4, up to a maximum of 40
Calm - 50% chance to resist arousal over time
Free spirit - 30% chance to resist Bound and Entralled
Anal Training 1/2/3 - Improves pleasure multiplier with ass by .5/.7/.7
Pussy Training 1/2/3 - Improves pleasure multiplier with pussy by .5/.7/.7
Cock Training 1/2/3 - Improves pleasure multiplier with cock by .5/.7/.7
Tongue Training 1/2/3 - Improves pleasure multiplier with mouth by .5/.7/.9
Hands&Feet Training 1/2/3 - Improves pleasure multiplier with hands and feet by .5/.7/.7
Sympathetic - Opponents are more likely to assist you (effectively 10 additional affection)
Fitness Nut - 50% chance to increase amount of stamina gained from exercising by 1
Expert Googler - 50% chance to increase amount of arousal gained from porn by 1
Assmaster - Can ass fuck someone else without lube. Improves base anal fucking damage by 50%.


Tier 3:
Anatomical Knowledge - Increases pleasures towards genitals by 5
Tight - Increases pleasure with pussy and ass by 5, chance to prevent your opponents from pulling out of you, allows use of Tighten skill and DenyOrgasm skill.
Natural Top - Increases opponent's stance dominance willpower loss values from 1-2-3-4-5 to 2-3-5-6-8
Anal Fanatic - Ass fucking your opponent applies Frenzy and IgnoreOrgasm for 4 turns.
Submissive - Decreases opponent's stance dominance willpower loss values from 1-2-3-4-5 to 0-1-1-2-3, doubles pleasure damage when in a submissive stance, decreases damage to 1/3 when in a dominant stance. Cannot use certain skills.
(Augmented) Pheromones - Chance to inflict arousal over time on your opponent when you're over 20% aroused. Chance increases the more aroused you are, and the closer you are to the opponent (in a stance). Arousal over time lasts for 10 turns and increases by 1 per 10 Animism/Bio attribute.
Magic Eyes: Arouse - 20% chance to tempt your opponent for your seduction / 2 if you are facing each other and they are over 50% arousal.
Enthralling Juices - 25% chance to enthrall opponent if they use cunnilingus or you use face sit.
Drug-laced Precum - Pleasuring your opponent with your cock will apply Sensitized.
Spiritphage - Receiving cum increases seduction/power/cunning by 5 each for 10 turns, builds 100% mojo.
Erophage - Orgasming builds 100% mojo and applies the Alluring status. If you have Divinity, it will also apply 1 stack of Divine Charge.
Graceful - 25% chance to resist Falling
Heels Master - 33% chance to resist Falling
Skeptical - 30% chance to resist mind games statuses
Shameless - 100% chance to resist Shamed and Flat-footed
Obsequious Appeal - Doubles tempt damage when in a submissive position
Cat's Tongue - Improves oral pleasure by a base 4-6. Inflicts 8-17 pain when doing oral pleasure.
Sexual groove - During combat, build 2% mojo every turn.
Fast learner - 20% increased experience gain
Mojomaster - Doubles the amount of mojo you gain for winning while fucking someone in a dominant position (1 -> 2).
Responsive - Increases opponent's recoil pleasure from fucking you by 50%


Tier 4:
SM Queen - Opponent loses willpower every turn instead of every other turn when in a submissive position.
Desensitized 2 - Halves temptation damage, Reduces opponent's pleasure multiplier by .5
Magic Eyes: Frenzy - 10% chance to apply Frenzy to your opponent for 3 turns if you are facing each other and they are over 50% arousal.
Magic Eyes: Trance - 10% chance to apply Trance to your opponent for 3 turns if you are facing each other and they are over 50% arousal.
Magic Eyes: Enthrall -10% chance to apply Enthrall to your opponent for 2 turns if you are facing each other and they are over 50% arousal.
Soulsucker - + 2-4 bonus base damage to oral skills, opponents lose 2-6 will power with oral skills, build 15% mojo with oral skills.
Frenzying Juices - 20% chance to apply frenzy when opponents pleasure a part of your body with fluids with their mouth (pussy, cock, mouth, breasts with lactation)
Laced Juices - 50% chance to arouse the opponent for 10% of their maximum arousal, up to a max of 50 when pleasuring body parts with fluids.
Addictive Fluids - When drinking your fluids, your opponent will get a stack of Addicted for 5 turns.
Hypnotic Semen - upon receiving semen (usually from cumming inside them), opponents will lose 10-19 extra willpower.
Sexual Momentum - Restore 10-19 willpower upon causing your opponent to orgasm while penetrating them.
Energy Drain - Drains 5-9 stamina when connected (usually fucking), allows use of the Drain skill without having 15 Dark.
Fetish Trainer - Fetish % chance of inflicting a Fetish status effect when pleasuring with a body part that allows for it (Currently: ass, feet, cock, wings, tail, tentacles, breasts)
Cute - Reduces pain damage by your Seduction% (up to 50% at 50 seduction)
Toymaster - Improves effectiveness of toys by the equivalent of having 30 Science.
Powerful hips - Able to use fucking skills from a submissive sex position
Strong willed - 33% decreased willpower loss from orgasms.


Tier 5:
Sadist - Automatically applies masochism on the opponent.
Autonomous Pussy - Pleasures opponent for 10 base damage every turn if vaginally inserted
Autonomous Ass - Pleasures opponent for 10 base damage every turn if vaginally inserted
Enchanting Voice - Every [6 - your level + (opponent's level / 5)] turns, you automatically use a free Command on your opponent, even if they're not enthralled.
Testosterone - Increases power by 10 + level / 4, up to a maximum of 20.
Object of Worship - max(20, 10 + Divinity - opponent's level)% chance of forcing the opponent to use a worship skill instead of their normal choice every turn, if your top or crotch are exposed.
Carnal Virtuoso - Makes the opponent orgasm twice
Nymphomania - restores up to 15 willpower dependent on Animism upon orgasming.
Revered - 10 % additional chance of Object of Worship activating


Special Tier:
Natural Growth - Always levels up to the maximum level of all competitors + 2 every night (not counting players with Natural Growth/Unnatural Growth)
Unnatural Growth - Always levels up to the maximum level of all competitors + 5 every night (not counting players with Natural Growth/Unnatural Growth)
Steady - Cannot be knocked down
Immobile - Cannot move
Lethargic - No natural mojo gain 
Level Drainer - 80% chance to automatically drains a level from your opponent if you are having sex and they are higher or equal level compared to you.


Status Effects:
Fluid Addiction: Activates after drinking opponent's addictive fluids 3 times. Lasts for 4 turns, which refreshes if drinking more fluids when it's not active. When it activates, you can only use skills that attempts to drink fluids (kiss/blowjob/cunnilingus etc)
Frenzy: unable to do anything but fuck, increases power and Animism by 8, reduces Cunning by 5, builds 25% mojo per turn, counts as mind games
Trance: unable to do anything but masturbate for 3 turns, counts as mind games
Enthralled: unable to do anything, and your opponent can command you, counts as mind games
Charmed: unable to use anything but pleasure/fucking/misc moves, lose 1 willpower per turn, counts as mind games
Alluring: opponent is unable to use damaging or debuffing moves, increase your body's natural "hotness" multiplier by 50%.
Fetish: Increases pleasure from specified body part by the magnitude of the fetish. Doubles the "hotness" multiplier of that body part. If the magnitude is above .99, you will only be able to use worship skills until it subsides.
Suckling: unable to do anything but suckle for 3 turns, counts as mind games
Sensitized: Increases pleasure received by 20% (stacking up to 200%) for a specific body part, lasting 20 turns (refreshable).
Falling: (this status effect is applied when you get knocked down) Next turn you are on the ground and stunned for 2 turns.
Bound: (applied when you are tied up) You cannot use moves until you break your bonds.
Stunned: Cannot use skills, 2 turns
Winded: Cannot use skills, 4 turns
Flat-footed: Same as Stunned and Winded, counts as mind games
Braced: Cannot be knocked down, lasts 5 turns. Applied when getting back up from a immobile stance/prone stance.
Wary: Cannot be affected by many knockdown/disabling skills. Applied when becoming mobile from a immobile position.
Unreadable: Does nothing for the player. For NPCs, it makes it so that the player cannot get information about them (eg She looks halfway aroused etc)
 
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jskil5

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encountered a crash with Mara outside the games regarding faerie play if you need it ill upload my log
also addictions aren't saving properly i definitely reinforced them during the day saved before a match and loaded that save and its saying i didn't see anyone during the day to reinforce them
 
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Pim_gd

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encountered a crash with Mara outside the games regarding faerie play if you need it ill upload my log
also addictions aren't saving properly i definitely reinforced them during the day saved before a match and loaded that save and its saying i didn't see anyone during the day to reinforce them
Please do upload the log it will help
 

jskil5

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all of em...
and i made sure it wasnt just a once off bug it happens every time i load a save that i know i went saw the npcs to reinforce the addiction during the day
i save before the match in case off a crash and when i reload that save it treats the addictions as if i didnt reinforce them
 
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ThatOneJester

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You may want to update this somewhere else as well as here.
No telling whenever the forums may go down again?
And I hate to say, when I have my mind set on doing something I can be a tad impatient...
Maybe the download link on the tfgamesite?
That one is still on the 1.9 version...
 

nergantre

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Hmm I'll try debugging the addiction saving issue. To be honest I haven't play tested any of the addictions yet, so not sure how they work right now.

@ThatOneJester, I'll see if I can update tfgamessite. The reason I haven't was that people there tend to be a lot touchier about quality, and I didn't want to upload an unstable version after all this time.
 

dndw

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Hmm I'll try debugging the addiction saving issue. To be honest I haven't play tested any of the addictions yet, so not sure how they work right now.
If I remember correctly, the daytime thing is stored in a variable in the addiction object, not a global flag. I am pretty sure, in retrospect, that that variable is not (but should be) saved to json.
 

nergantre

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Code:
        {
          "type": "MAGIC_MILK",
          "cause": "Player",
          "magnitude": 0.0,
          "combat": 0.01
        },
        {
          "type": "DOMINANCE",
          "cause": "Jewel",
          "magnitude": 0.3,
          "combat": 0.01
        }
That may be an issue too... hmmm

Edit 1:
Okay fixed both of them. Will release a new build later.

Edit 2:
Found the faerie play issue. It was put in the wrong place. You can choose faerie play, but it has no scene unless you also chose sparring at the same time. which is impossible.
 
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nergantre

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Current version 2.3.3
https://mega.nz/#!MlB11S6A!kydR8GuwBWYkPqRu_haFDFyH2ivzeccG4O1mwHrm8yc

As always, with a large update, it may be a bit less stable than before. However I did play test this one pretty extensively, so I'm hoping it'll be okay.

I'd appreciate some input on the new features too, let me know if it feels good to you.

Changelog:
Code:
2.3.3
Balance changes:
- Pantymaster, and Bramaster have been removed
- Dexterous has been buffed
    - Now works with fondle breasts as well.
    - Dexterous now will work with second layer clothing as well.
        - This means you can now use finger, handjob, and fondle breasts with increased effectiveness when they are wearing shirt and pants (but not coats)
- Romantic has been buffed
    - Original effects:
        - Boost Kiss mojo gain by 5%
        - Increase kiss pleasure damage by 3
        - Increase deep kiss pleasure damage by 10
    - New effects:
        - Boost Kiss mojo gain by 5%
        - Increase kiss accuracy from a base 30% when opponent is mobile to 70%.
        - Increase kiss pleasure damage by 3
        - Increase all advanced kisses (Kiss of Baptism, Drain Kiss, Deep Kiss) pleasure damage by 6
        - Increases your charisma multiplier by your (opponent's arousal % - 70) when your opponent is below 30% arousal. (So at 0% arousal you have a 30% bonus and at 20%, you have a 10% bonus)
            - This is pretty minor and is really only for flavour
- Fixed a "bug?" not sure if this was intended, but counter pretty much never ever ever triggered. It can now trigger and has a base chance of 3% for skills.
    - Counter chance increased by 3% for each of these traits: [clairvoyance, aikidonovice, fakeout]
    - Counter is increased by certain statuses like WaterForm (+5), Nimble (+ Animism/2 * Arousal %)
    - Counter chance is decreased by 1% for every 5 points of cunning your opponent has over you
    - Counter chance is increased by 1% for every point of perception you have over the opponent and decreased the same way.
    - Counter chance is increased by 1% for every 2 points of speed you have over the opponent and decreased the same way (maximum of +5 or -5 this way).
- Locate will no longer consume a Talisman if you have one
- Submissive (attribute) will now increase tempt damage for certain moves
- Magic Missiles now has an increased base damage (it was to the point where upon becoming level 10, Cassie would just rather kick you rather than using her new skills because it sucked).
    - Now does 10-19 base damage instead of 7-13.

New:
Cassie has been reworked:
- At levels 10 and 20, after combat with the player, Cassie will ask the player for your opinion on what she should focus on. The choice will influence what attributes and traits she will get upon leveling up.

Introduced some new traits (some of them seem pretty OP, but really only comes into play in the extreme late game and are replacements for some equally OP traits):
- Hawkeye
    - +5% accuracy
- Tempting Tits
    - When your breasts are exposed, your tempt the opponent every turn if you are facing each other.
    - When you are behind your opponent, you tempt the opponent every turn. More temptation damage if their top is off and your top is off/is more skimpy.
- Beguiling breasts
    - Once per fight, the first time your opponent sees your breasts, they are entranced for 4 turns
- Sedative Cream
    - Drinking milk will cause the opponent to be weakened by 10% and lose 1 Power for 20 turns.
- Sweet Lips
    - If you do oral pleasure from a submissive position, the opponent is also tempted for the base pleasure damage of the move.
- Split SM Queen into different Traits
    - SM Queen now applies dominance willpower loss every turn instead of every other turn in a dominant stance.
    - (new) Sadist now automatically applies masochism to the opponent

Bug fixes:
- Fixed a bug that was causing charm, facesit, smother, and tempt to use the opponent's body's charisma bonus instead of the users. Woops.
- Fixed a bug where doing Faerie play with Mara freezes the game
- Fixed a bug where addiction overloading/day time visits were not being saved
- Fixed a bug where the cause for Magic milk addiction was the player instead of Cassie
- Fixed a bug where the Breeder addiction was not using voluntary insertion bonuses unless the player was also corrupted.
- Fixed a bug where mouthpussy blowjobs was using a phantom cock from yourself instead of the opponents. Woops.
- Fixed a bug where entranced wasn't let you masturbate.
- Fixed a bug where drowsy was being affected by Personal Inertia twice.

(Full changelog at https://github.com/nergantre/nightgamesmod/blob/master/changelog.txt)
 

asestado

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You don't need to know!
I have to say that i quite like most of what it's being done, however the fetishes that you may gain (or your rivals) i think it needs a bit more of a focus, the mechanic rulls however i think it needs more importance, if it could even have a few more scenes it would be better.

Another thing i would like to see is a "day off" feature, it would be quite nice that you don't have to fight everyday. In fact, being able to interact with anything else than the "night games" would be quite nice. Even if it doesn't have a lot of content, being able to go to the city, visit your family, use your money in other things...

The players need more uses for money and more interaction, it's quite important because the fights become a bit repetitive in time (which isn't a problem if there are other things to do).

Now talking about the new features... I would say that with the changes i have noticed that:
-Power is an early game invincible stat
-Cunning is ridiculously strong at late game
-Seduction is only used to unlock better sexual movements.

I personally think that seduction needs a little buff, like reducing the opponents ability to dodge and ability to counter attack.

Another thing is that i don't know if it's intended, but i think that "teabag" should be counter to increase an ass fetish.

Lastly i would recommend that it is added the option to configure the "fight menu", what i mean is so that the options we don't like to use or use it too little don't appear, i say this because in late game (level 50+) i feel that my worst enemy is the menu XD.

I hope that i have been useful, even if it's a little and thanks for the hard work.
 

Bronzechair

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I didn't feel like starting a new file tonight, but I took a very brief look at it. The focus idea is pretty neat. I definitely like the variety there.

  • Dexterous is supposed to let you use Finger when they're wearing pants? Doesn't seem to work, unless you meant when they're wearing pants but no underwear.
  • The counter text about her dodging your hands and rubbing her knee into your groin is missing a period.
  • Missing comma before the quotation the first time Cassie asks what you like more.
  • The second time she asks, she says "... I've only gone all the way ...", but she's talking about the past, so it'd be "... I'd only ...". I have vs I had. In the same scene, "giggles" is "gigles", and there's a missing capital letter at the end. The first reply has "wont" instead of "won't". The second reply says "you love her magic and new her confident self."
  • Missing capital letter when Magic Missle hits your groin.
  • Facesit/Ride Face: "you open your mouth and start to lick Cassie freely offered muff". There's also a comma splice with the last two clauses.
  • "Multiple Cassies appear in front of you. When you focus, you can tell which one is real, but it's still screwing up Cassie's accuracy."
 

BCRoxx

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Now talking about the new features... I would say that with the changes i have noticed that:
-Power is an early game invincible stat
-Cunning is ridiculously strong at late game
-Seduction is only used to unlock better sexual movements.

I personally think that seduction needs a little buff, like reducing the opponents ability to dodge and ability to counter attack.

Seduction is still weak in the accuracy department and susceptible to counter attack, but honestly to a certain extent it needs to be after the most-recent changes. I started my typical character with the newest patch, and the changes to Romantic put it in a pretty strong position, almost as strong as Pimp Hand. They're still weak against Power characters, but points in Submissive are a strong counter to that with the extra tempt damage atop everything else. Running into Angel with that stat distribution is pretty much an auto-win (I think I had one victory against her with a single 100+ arousal overflow orgasm at level 12). Once you get Deep Kiss, with Intoxicating Juices and Pheromones you inflict pretty catastrophic arousal damage.

It's still a high-risk, high-reward strategy, but Fast Learner keeps you from falling behind on the level curve if you end up with a bad night or a rough challenge, depending on the character build.

I'd love to see Exhibitionist (the starting trait) get some love, though.
 

jskil5

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Jewel uses Struggle.
Jewel wraps her legs around your waist and suddenly pulls you into a deep kiss. You are so surprised by this sneak attack that you don't even notice herself getting trapped until you feel her limbs wrapped around your body. She smiles widely, enjoying the control she has coiled around you.

^ so jewel traps herself apparently

Angel uses Struggle.
Angel wraps her legs around your waist and suddenly pulls you into a deep kiss. You are so surprised by this sneak attack that you don't even notice herself getting trapped until you feel her limbs wrapped around your body. She smiles widely, enjoying the control she has coiled around you.

^ and angel too it seems
doesn't affect the fight in any way but it was both amusing to read and it bugs me

Your fetish goblin removes the humming vibrator from her own wet pussy and shoves it into Airi's.
Your expert handling of Airi's pussy causes Airi to shudder uncontrollably.

^ this may be a bug or is it intentional?
 
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ThatOneJester

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@ThatOneJester, I'll see if I can update tfgamessite. The reason I haven't was that people there tend to be a lot touchier about quality, and I didn't want to upload an unstable version after all this time.[/QUOTE]

They can just shove it.
You are working on a mod for a game you enjoy, I don't see why it would require being the most perfect thing around.
Remember that you do this because you want to, and we play your mod because we enjoy it.

For every 1 like of your mod, it counteracts 10 dislikes.
Especially if all they care about is the "quality".
It is a free game site, so they should stop being little fucks about it.
At least that is how I see it...

Sorry for the monologue..?
 

nergantre

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@asestado,
Yup more scenes would be nice :p. Problem is I'm super slow when writing. A scene takes me like 3 hours or so, so I kind of skimp on that. Sorry.
Day off feature would be nice too, but once again, non-combat stuff takes a ton of writing. I do agree that money tends to pile up though, I'll see what we can do about that.
I'm not really sure what to do about repetitiveness, it might just be a artifact of how the game is laid out. That might be a deeper problem to address.

Seduction alone is not extremely powerful, but you generally need quite a bit of it in the late game or you'll be unable to make the other player cum at all. I think it's in an okay spot right now, you just need to pair it with some other stats. Maybe it does need a late game weaken skill or trait to bring it in line though.

I didn't realize cunning was so strong late though, what about it is strong? Just the positioning/knockdown stuff?

Teabag... maybe. Currently it doesn't do tempt damage with your ass, so it wouldn't really have much of an effect. Maybe it should.

Yeah the fight menu is becoming a bit of a clusterfuck with the amount of skills you can get. I'll see what I can do.

Thanks for the suggestions as always

@Bronzechair,
Thanks, will fix them :D. Not sure what's wrong with dexterous though, I'll have to take another look later. The focus stuff will need a new file for the full effect, since it wont remove old traits, but I understand it's pretty time consuming to start a new file.

@BCRoxx,
Yeah I think seduction alone should be pretty weak. It kind of makes sense you can't be on top most of the time if you just invest into seduction. I'll have to play test it a bit more on the level 30+ side. That said, I am hoping to overhaul the trait you can pick at each level, so if you could let me know what traits you find to be the most important/powerful, that would be a great help.

@jskill5,
woops. :D
I think the Pet system is another system that needs some reworking. I'm planning on tackling that one when doing the Angel rework, since I'm planning on one of her focuses being summoning helpers.

@ThatOneJester,
Haha thanks. I do want to release something of quality though, and updating every release is a bit of a pain on that site. I'll try to start updating with each major release though.
 

Bronzechair

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Pet and Angel reworks sounds pretty cool. Can you tell us anything about that?

At the risk of bashing another site, I believe TFGS is primarily quantity over quality. The vast, overwhelming majority of games there are basically proof-of-concept games that have only been updated once or twice, if that, before the creator lost interest. There are few games there with any meaningful amount of stuff, and even fewer that can compete with the content and replayability of this mod. I certainly understand criticism that the mod seems unfinished (technically it is an on-going project, but you understand the point) because it's somewhat repetitive (especially early on) and its lacking a lot of scenes (female or genital-less characters getting male scenes is especially egregious to newcomers), but beyond the veneer it's an excellent project, so don't feel bad about it. I'd say you and everyone else who has worked on it has done a fine job so far.

What kind of non-combat scenes are you looking for, by the way? I've been digging through and trying to convert some of the male-only scenes for that little bit of polish, but I'm terribly uninspired right now.


My two cents on traits:
None of the tier 1 traits are amazing. I usually pick Confident and occasionally Personal Inertia, but the latter just for fun, not because it's good. PI is one of the few traits that has a downside, and its upside isn't particularly useful, so even though I like its double-edged nature I wouldn't say it's a good pick from a strictly mechanical perspective. Sprinter can be useful if one opponent is dominating and you need to avoid her for a bit, but that doesn't happen to me unless I use hard mode, NPC bonuses, and Hair Trigger, so I haven't used it in a long time. Unflappable and Always Ready are ok, though I don't personally pick them. The rest are kind of bad.

Fucking skills are quite strong, so I like Pole Control and Insertion Master. The relevant Training and Handler traits are also good picks. Butts are safer to fuck than pussies, so Assmaster is big. Fitness Nut and Expert Googler are great. Sympathetic is a fine pick, but I don't run it because reasons. I grab Free Spirit as soon as I can. I feel like Calm is one I get a lot, but I can't remember why, exactly. I've never used Biting Words before, but it sounds amazing if the PC can get it; Shamed is powerful and so is direct WP damage.

Faster Learner and Sexual Groove are core. Skeptical is huge. Shameless also used to be, but I can't recall being on the receiving end of Assfuck for a while now. Responsive and Mojo Master are very good. Enthralling Juices is a common pick. Natural Top and Anal Fanatic look really strong.

Soulsucker, Laced Juices, Addictive Fluids, Strong-Willed, Fetish Trainer, and Powerful Hips are all awesome. Hypnotic Semen sounds really good, though I don't think I've used it before.

The tier 5 ones are mostly pretty powerful, but the only one I (can?) use is Testosterone, which is a great way to alleviate the pressure of the Power arms race with Jewel for a few levels.
 

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Alright, so I haven't played for quite a few updates.
This game is a lot harder than I remember...but satisfying.
I enjoy a decent challenge, and now that I'm unable to breeze through every fight on hard mode by just using suckle over and over again.
I find it to be a great change.
Finally I don't feel like I have to let them win to see a loss scene?
Keep up the good work everyone!!! :D <-- (They need a heart image to be added?)

-Add on-
So I played a new game just now, and found a small issue.
I was level 3 (leveled up after the loss), and jewel downed me since I had no stamina.
So she got behind me, and every time I escaped it put me in the downed state.
So when I tried to recover, she just mounted me again.
It becomes an endless loop for the entire fight, until my loss from having lost all my willpower.
This is the 3rd fight against her that she has done this to me in 1 night.

Seems a little OP for my tastes, since I kind of need wins in order to afford tools to help me win later in game..?
 
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nergantre

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@Bronzechair
Without making too many promises, for Angel I'm thinking of these "focuses"
Level 10 choice between fucking skills and ? (haven't decided yet)
Level 20 choice between worship skills/traits and "followers"

Followers will most likely be mostly summoning pets.
Pets being facsimiles of Angel's friends and followers. Maybe even a TG'd version of you if it's possible to code up. Really though, it's mainly how much I can refactor, because I plan on changing pets to be dummy "characters", and I suspect there will be some weird shit that will happen with that until everything is tested and nailed down.

@ThatOneJester
Do you know how you're getting knocked down? Seems weird that you're getting repeatedly downed, because you should be immune to knockdowns after getting up... I'll take another look at the code to see what's going on.
 

BCRoxx

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@BCRoxx,
Yeah I think seduction alone should be pretty weak. It kind of makes sense you can't be on top most of the time if you just invest into seduction. I'll have to play test it a bit more on the level 30+ side. That said, I am hoping to overhaul the trait you can pick at each level, so if you could let me know what traits you find to be the most important/powerful, that would be a great help.

Oh yes, I do agree single-attribute characters shouldn't be a thing, and I'd love to see more possible synergies especially when dealing with skill overflow. That is to say, skills which upgrade depending upon traits/attribute levels or combinations, rather than simply having new skills for everything, much like the kiss line has now.

I will say based on my Seduction/Submissive/Dark playthrough (level ~30 now, and I simply gave up raising Cunning back in the teens), tempt damage is just a bit gonzo in the mid- to late-game. I'm not sure if it's intentional, but at this point in my PT my opponents more or less make themselves cum inside an action or two with so much overflow incurred by tempt that's usually the fight. All I have to do in most fights is Sleight of Hand them, then either Invite (took my character herm) or Wait. The only NPC which is a threat now is Angel, and that's if she lands a Kiss of Baptism early on, or I do something stupid like take a dive against her.

The tipping point of that was the juices trait line, but addictive juices was the big one. I should probably mention pheromones there, but it's not as big a game-changer as was addictive juices. Between draining phallus and drain kiss, it's pretty much unlimited stamina mode which means Sacrifice and Determination can hold off orgasm indefinitely, sparing huge arousal attacks, since at this point in the game besides Sleight of Hand I have no other use for mojo.

I will say, even though she's not much of a threat with that build, fights with Reyka are always entertaining and quite humorous. And lengthy, but what can you expect of two succubus characters going at it?

The (body part) training traits and all else I have on her are just icing on the cake, really.

As far as Exhibitionist, I did have a thought...maybe give Exhibitionist characters Strip Tease as a starting skill, and balance that out by per-turn arousal gain while naked? What exactly does the trait do?

And, as a last thought, to alleviate that skill bar craziness, maybe there should be an option to sell off consumables you won't use, or trade them to other NPC's in exchange for favors, training, or just fondness (like for example, pawning off all your trap/techno toys to Mara)? They eat up quite a lot of space.
 

nergantre

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@BCRoxx, hmm I definitely didn't expect the tempt damage to be so strong.

Is it actually temptation or is it all the arousal over time stuff? Like pheromones, laced juices, etc. What was your build at the time?

Exhibitionist is supposed to give you passive mojo gain per turn while naked. It's actually pretty useful early on, but Mojo has kind of a problem being useless in the late game, since once you hit 200 mojo or get focus, mojo stops being a concern. I'm wondering if I need to make mojo gain flat instead of percentages, so that mojo is actually valuable later.

Oh shit. I bet you mean the actual tempt skill.

So the damage formula for that may be why it becomes kind of silly. It's calculated as:

base = random(4 to 7)
if the opponent is facing you:
base += 3 * your body's charisma bonus

Then for temptation damage:
temptation damage = base * your body's charisma bonus

That means if the opponent can see you, then the final temptation damage on average is:
5.5 + 3 * charisma * charisma
which basically double dips in your seduction multiplier.

Your charisma multiplier is calculated as:
hotness = ([sum of body part's hotness] + [sum of outfit hotness] + [your seduction - opponent's seduction] / 10) * (.5 + how exposed you are) + some trait stuff
charisma = sqrt([hotness]) * (1 + (5 - [opponent's perception]) / 10) + some trait bonuses that doesn't affect anything

in the end game, this can get pretty high (I've seen it in the 10 region if your seduction is way higher than the opponents)

so plugging that back into the tempt formula, you get something like:

temptation damage = 5.5 + 3 * 10 * 10 = 305.5

Yeah... woops :D

I mean at the same time you really shouldn't be letting your opponent get a 50+ seduction lead on you, but.... :D

Might have to nerf that a bit. I think the Tempt damage will have to be flat instead of scaling off your charisma bonus. Rather, it should only use your body's hotness if you're facing the opponent.

Edit: Goddammit why does the fetish goblin have so many different variations D:

I'm currently converting all the pet attacks to skills and I want to kill myself right now
 
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dndw

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Yeah, that's kinda why I didn't implement them that way.
Does this qualify as a burn? I think this qualifies as a burn. BUUUURN.

So are pets going to be some kind of pseudo-NPCs, then? That certainly sounds interesting.

Edit:
Caught a couple of bugs:

beguilingbreasts causes a Trance as intended, but doesn't check whether the breasts in question are actually exposed.

Blocking an NPC does not prevent them from spawning. (At least, not Samantha)

Nurse does not apply Suckle when transitioning to NursingHold. This may be intentional, but it seems weird.

smqueen does not seem to have any effects beyond altering a message. Maybe there should be a multiplier to the stance dominance? Then again, that's the same thing naturalTop already does.

EnergyDrink#receive prints the wrong character name.

For ages now, Abuff has been printing uncolored messages at the top of the output. I don't know why, but I think it's about time we go hunting for this one.

Jewel has accidentally been left as a debug character (in Global.rebuildCharacterPool), causing her to always be selected for a match.

That's it for the bugs. Cassie's new unique traits are pretty great, nergantre, which leads to the obvious conclusion that the others need some as well. Have you already planned any? If not, I'll try to come up with something good. Suggestions, of course are always welcome.
 
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asestado

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You don't need to know!
Does this qualify as a burn? I think this qualifies as a burn. BUUUURN.

So are pets going to be some kind of pseudo-NPCs, then? That certainly sounds interesting.

Edit:
Caught a couple of bugs:

beguilingbreasts causes a Trance as intended, but doesn't check whether the breasts in question are actually exposed.

Blocking an NPC does not prevent them from spawning. (At least, not Samantha)

Nurse does not apply Suckle when transitioning to NursingHold. This may be intentional, but it seems weird.

smqueen does not seem to have any effects beyond altering a message. Maybe there should be a multiplier to the stance dominance? Then again, that's the same thing naturalTop already does.

EnergyDrink#receive prints the wrong character name.

For ages now, Abuff has been printing uncolored messages at the top of the output. I don't know why, but I think it's about time we go hunting for this one.

Jewel has accidentally been left as a debug character (in Global.rebuildCharacterPool), causing her to always be selected for a match.

That's it for the bugs. Cassie's new unique traits are pretty great, nergantre, which leads to the obvious conclusion that the others need some as well. Have you already planned any? If not, I'll try to come up with something good. Suggestions, of course are always welcome.

Hmm, I would suggest the following based on the Cassie model:

-Jewel at level 10 will ask you what do you prefer, her feet or her hands, i would recommend doing some skills related to those options. At level 20 asking if you like to be fucked (receive anal) or fuck others.
-About Angel i think at level 10 would be okay to choose between smell and oral, so in the first case she would receive some pheromone skill and on the other a bonus to every oral skill. At level 20 she would ask if he prefers to be forced to have vaginal or anal sex, getting a preference for the option chosen.
-Mara... i dont truly know.

Personally i think that nergantre is working too hard on the pets, seeing how much work it gives i would have deleted it from the game before having to work extra-hard on it, not because it doesn't deserve to be added but i think it has a lower priority over other things. But this is just my opinnion so as i always say, feel free to ignore it, it's unfortunate that i don't have any useful knowledge to help with the game. When i have free time perhaps i will try to write a few scenes for the game, of course it depends on the ending quality too.
 
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