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Xeivous

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I would also like to see some kind of resolution to it. Like I said, it feels a little incomplete as it is now.


@Xeivous I agree, the transition from Mhen'ga to Myrellion is more gradual, in stark contrast to New Texas. You make a good that I neglected to make in my previous post, in that it's possible to successfully change the tone of a story, and that doing so gradually helps avoid tone whiplash. In the spirit of being fair, I will also say that tone whiplash can be used as a tool on its own to accomplish certain things.


Also, I do agree that the rival choice doesn't really clash with anything at the moment. It's similar to other choices you have. I just think that the choice a player prefers can be indicative of how they view the tone of the game. In some cases, at least. I could be wrong, of course.

Of course the two main camps for the rival choices do have significant differences in just how they stick to their philosophy. Revenge starts with simple defeat and goes as far as death and fates worth than death for those who really hate the Rival, while the reconciliation camp seems to be fairly split between platonic and non platonic making ups/outs.
 

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Of course the two main camps for the rival choices do have significant differences in just how they stick to their philosophy. Revenge starts with simple defeat and goes as far as death and fates worth than death for those who really hate the Rival, while the reconciliation camp seems to be fairly split between platonic and non platonic making ups/outs.

True. I actually quite like how varied the responses are to the rival, in particular. Although, things can get a tad heated sometimes.


Also, I hate it when I find errors in my post only after it's been quoted. I need to be more observant in the future.
 

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I will also say that tone whiplash can be used as a tool on its own to accomplish certain things.

Whiplash is a great motivation tool. Problem is - there are nothing you can do here.
 

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@Longbow I think that the game's tone is supposed to start out pretty light hearted, rich kid setting out to be like their dad and earn their fortune in the crazy porn-game universe, but later on was supposed to really get into moments of dark clarity about what kind of universe a porn-game universe would be like past all the fun and sex.

I don't believe that's the goal, it just happens to be the case in certain areas.  Myrellion is a World War I setting and thus it was virtually impossible for it to not be incredibly dark, but even then I don't think the writers necessarily meant for some things to be as bad as they turned out to be.  See also my objections to Nehzara drugging you with a kiss on your first encounter when that's allegedly a cultural no-no.  In general the planet has two sides and most writers are strongly on one side or the other, which leads to vilifying the side they're against, and when you're allowed to dictate the actions of the side you're vilifying it can quickly lead to things like Tony Stark's Space Guantanamo Bay.


Uveto so far is more of a jump back towards a lighter tone, which is partially because I'm writing lots of content for it and I make an effort to show that most people can actually handle themselves without Captain Steele needing to come save them, and partially because it's just not always supposed to be like that.
 

Xeivous

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True. I actually quite like how varied the responses are to the rival, in particular. Although, things can get a tad heated sometimes.


Also, I hate it when I find errors in my post only after it's been quoted. I need to be more observant in the future.

If it didn't get heated conversations, then you wouldn't know that people cared about it. Right now the biggest thing about this game's future content that I'm going to be the most critical of whenever it comes out is how the Rival is handled. I'm fairly certain that they're not going to be the villain for the entire game and the point when you decide their fate is likely to be the point when the real villain comes into play.

I don't believe that's the goal, it just happens to be the case in certain areas.  Myrellion is a World War I setting and thus it was virtually impossible for it to not be incredibly dark, but even then I don't think the writers necessarily meant for some things to be as bad as they turned out to be.  See also my objections to Nehzara drugging you with a kiss on your first encounter when that's allegedly a cultural no-no.  In general the planet has two sides and most writers are strongly on one side or the other, which leads to vilifying the side they're against, and when you're allowed to dictate the actions of the side you're vilifying it can quickly lead to things like Tony Stark's Space Guantanamo Bay.


Uveto so far is more of a jump back towards a lighter tone, which is partially because I'm writing lots of content for it and I make an effort to show that most people can actually handle themselves without Captain Steele needing to come save them, and partially because it's just not always supposed to be like that.

Fair points. Though even though Uveto is a much lighter place, it still only gets to Tarkus level of lightheartedness at best from what docs I've read. The general populous of the planet is very much more likable than Myrellion's and they don't have ant people ww1, which makes the entire planet far more likeable from the get go. However it's still something of an icey shithole of a planet with a bunch of psionic predators
 

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ugh... geez this thread just needs to be burned from existence with balefire (1000 points to who ever gets that reference) with the amount of derailment happening. Totally needs to be redone. I mean seriously as soon as someone opens up a fan-club thread the detractors and people who hate the character FLOOD into it and decide to do their utmost to destroy the character and in the process derail the thread beyond recovery.
 

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ugh... geez this thread just needs to be burned from existence with balefire (1000 points to who ever gets that reference) with the amount of derailment happening. Totally needs to be redone. I mean seriously as soon as someone opens up a fan-club thread the detractors and people who hate the character FLOOD into it and decide to do their utmost to destroy the character and in the process derail the thread beyond recovery.

How dare people have a steam of consciousness. 


The nerve! The thread should have never been posted on. It woulda never derailed that way!
 

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Fair points. Though even though Uveto is a much lighter place, it still only gets to Tarkus level of lightheartedness at best from what docs I've read. The general populous of the planet is very much more likable than Myrellion's and they don't have ant people ww1, which makes the entire planet far more likeable from the get go. However it's still something of an icey shithole of a planet with a bunch of psionic predators

People against environment doesn't feel really dark. Tarkus natives have major troubles from their libido, which cripples their ability to do something constructive. Corgonne seems much more interesting so far. At least, they are not their own main problem.

ugh... geez this thread just needs to be burned from existence with balefire (1000 points to who ever gets that reference) with the amount of derailment happening. Totally needs to be redone. I mean seriously as soon as someone opens up a fan-club thread the detractors and people who hate the character FLOOD into it and decide to do their utmost to destroy the character and in the process derail the thread beyond recovery.

Sometimes, trainwreck is a good end.
 

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How dare people have a steam of consciousness. 


The nerve! The thread should have never been posted on. It woulda never derailed that way!

Everyone has their own opinion BUT if the thread says FAN-CLUB on it, generally if you apply common sense to your thinking you tell yourself. "ah I'll avoid that thread because I am not a fan, therefore I don't want the place to devolve into a flaming pile of steamy shit or quite a train wreak where supporters and detractors are thrashing one another in their posts."
 
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CrusaderDurante

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Everyone has their own opinion BUT if the thread says FAN-CLUB on it, generally if you apply common sense to your thinking you tell yourself. "ah I'll avoid that thread because I am not a fan, therefore I don't want the place to devolve into a flaming pile of steamy shit or quite a train wreak where supporters and detractors are thrashing one another in their posts."

This is the internet. Common sense doesn't exist here. 
 

Ethereal Dragon

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This is the internet. Common sense doesn't exist here. 

doesn't mean ppl can't use it. I guess since the "It's the internet, no one is responsible." that society tolerates cyber-bullying? That's just one big fat excuse to do whatever anyone wants, whenever they want just so long as it isn't done in public. Sorry to say but the internet is public to pretty much the whole population of the world that has access to the internet.
 

Xeivous

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People against environment doesn't feel really dark. Tarkus natives have major troubles from their libido, which cripples their ability to do something constructive. Corgonne seems much more interesting so far. At least, they are not their own main problem.

Tarkus also had that whole pirate thing and the people turned into grey goo thing. Also the rogue AI.
 

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doesn't mean ppl can't use it. I guess since the "It's the internet, no one is responsible." that society tolerates cyber-bullying? That's just one big fat excuse to do whatever anyone wants, whenever they want just so long as it isn't done in public. Sorry to say but the internet is public to pretty much the whole population of the world that has access to the internet.

I don't see cyber-bulling here, unless bashing Kiro counts. And it's the internet, we're all anonymous here despite the use of forum names and the like, it's to be expected. Give a man a microphone and a mask, and they'll speak freely. Like you did coming out of nowhere on the thread about how it's derailed and all sorts of things.


Current topic related: I like the huge tone-shift between Mheng'ha and Myrellion. It sorta says "Hey, Steele, this isn't just a journey to get your fortune. This is a trip where you'll have to do some difficult things and be exposed to all the corruption you've probably never seen on a coreworld." 
 

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Tarkus also had that whole pirate thing and the people turned into grey goo thing. Also the rogue AI.

Those... Pirates are sort of barnstormers there, gray goo transformation is one I would likely consider to take myself (transhumanism!), and Hand So is sort of thing which belongs to silly mode.
 

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Everyone has their own opinion BUT if the thread says FAN-CLUB on it, generally if you apply common sense to your thinking you tell yourself. "ah I'll avoid that thread because I am not a fan, therefore I don't want the place to devolve into a flaming pile of steamy shit or quite a train wreak where supporters and detractors are thrashing one another in their posts."


doesn't mean ppl can't use it. I guess since the "It's the internet, no one is responsible." that society tolerates cyber-bullying? That's just one big fat excuse to do whatever anyone wants, whenever they want just so long as it isn't done in public. Sorry to say but the internet is public to pretty much the whole population of the world that has access to the internet.

Unfortunately people are allowed to disagree with you on the internet. I'd rather not be on a forum where everyone just had their own hug-boxes to circlejerk in.
 

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Those... Pirates are sort of barnstormers there, gray goo transformation is one I would likely consider to take myself (transhumanism!), and Hand So is sort of thing which belongs to silly mode.

It still all contributes to the overall tone of the planet that the player gets. Sure it's not quite the same as the the general awfulness of that Myrellion gets up to or the awfulness despite the tech level that NT gets up to, but it's rather dark nonetheless.
 

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Maybe that's how such discussion should be handled, or how they are handled behind closed doors and between various authors. However you don't need to look farther than the begining of this thread to see that open discussions on these forums often don't go like that.

I'm looking at the start of this thread and honestly I have no idea what you're talking about. Who is saying that Kiro should be removed from the game? Who is saying that hyper furry futa is inherently bad and doesn't belong in this game? Where is the angry mob hurling abuse at anyone daring to say they like her? All I'm seeing is Couch using strong but reasonable words to explain his problem with her. Either you're incredibly sensitive or you have no idea what persecution on the internet looks like.


Discussions between people who matter is always about how to improve the content rather than remove it or do a hatchet job on it. Wallies on here can talk about how much they want to kill Kelt or how much they hate this or that fetish, it doesn't impact the decision-making in any way. The only time a serious public backlash has changed content in TiTS was Irson, which happened off the back of a constructive debate that ultimately got the creator to change his mind and make the necessary alteration. She who will not be named still doesn't have her subbification expac in, as a result of the discussion around her getting too feisty. The more angry people get about something, the less likely Fen is to change it.

Maybe I'm in a minority here but to tell an author how to "Improve" on a product that they poured their soul into writing just because some may find it offensive strikes me as conceited and incredibly disrepectful.

Sometimes when you pour your soul into something, it doesn't come out perfect. In fact, that is the case 99% of the time. You submit it, listen to constructive criticism, don't take that personally, try and improve on it and remember the stuff which didn't go right for next time. If you refuse to take into account the tone, boundaries and standards the body of work you are adding to, if you won't listen to editors or people trying to help you because it's your baby and you won't let go of your own view on things, you are being... conceited and disrespectful.
 

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It still all contributes to the overall tone of the planet that the player gets. Sure it's not quite the same as the the general awfulness of that Myrellion gets up to or the awfulness despite the tech level that NT gets up to, but it's rather dark nonetheless.

Yes, but it is more "no one cares" dark. When someone lives in the dump it is sad, but if he is content with it you can't really empathize. There are difference between decadence and calamity.
 

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Current topic related: I like the huge tone-shift between Mheng'ha and Myrellion. It sorta says "Hey, Steele, this isn't just a journey to get your fortune. This is a trip where you'll have to do some difficult things and be exposed to all the corruption you've probably never seen on a coreworld." 

One of the things I really like about the Titsverse is that it has both lighthearted and dark moments and not everyone in it has to be a nice person. That's why I don't get why people get so upset that bad things can happen and want it removed from the game. How so many people can get so angry that they want to genocide the Red Myr and the population of New Texas. This is the reason why I don't hate kiro for being an asshole, or "objectifying women", or that rapey side story, I just find her completely shallow, uninteresting, and ultimately forgettable as a character and that is why she will forever remain worst girl to me. (hey I'm sorta trying to stay on topic!)
 

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One of the things I really like about the Titsverse is that it has both lighthearted and dark moments and not everyone in it has to be a nice person. That's why I don't get why people get so upset that bad things can happen and want it removed from the game. How so many people can get so angry that they want to genocide the Red Myr and the population of New Texas. This is the reason why I don't hate kiro for being an asshole, or "objectifying women", or that rapey side story, I just find her completely shallow, uninteresting, and ultimately forgettable as a character and that is why she will forever remain worst girl to me. (hey I'm sorta trying to stay on topic!)

People are not asking to remove things from game. People are asking for "KILL IT WITH FIRE" option within a game. Big difference.
 

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One of the things I really like about the Titsverse is that it has both lighthearted and dark moments and not everyone in it has to be a nice person. That's why I don't get why people get so upset that bad things can happen and want it removed from the game. How so many people can get so angry that they want to genocide the Red Myr and the population of New Texas. This is the reason why I don't hate kiro for being an asshole, or "objectifying women", or that rapey side story, I just find her completely shallow, uninteresting, and ultimately forgettable as a character and that is why she will forever remain worst girl to me. (hey I'm sorta trying to stay on topic!)

Yeah, the ability to shift tones is nice. It's even better when the two sorta intermingle, like with that ant woman in the bar on Myrellion. She's a victim of war you can help, which in itself is a tad dark until you come into play. It's not a big thing, but the small moments like that really build the tone of the world(s) better and help draw you in. I'd be incredibly disconnected to the world if every action I did had some cataclysmic outcome. 


Like I've said in a previous post, I like Kiro a good amount, but she ultimately became my Steele's dudebro in the end. A good friend to wingman for, drink with, and brojob now and then. I'm sure that may change once we get more for her, but that's a future far, far away.
 

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I'm looking at the start of this thread and honestly I have no idea what you're talking about. Who is saying that Kiro should be removed from the game? Who is saying that hyper furry futa is inherently bad and doesn't belong in this game? Where is the angry mob hurling abuse at anyone daring to say they like her? All I'm seeing is Couch using strong but reasonable words to explain his problem with her. Either you're incredibly sensitive or you have no idea what persecution on the internet looks like.


Discussions between people who matter is always about how to improve the content rather than remove it or do a hatchet job on it. Wallies on here can talk about how much they want to kill Kelt or how much they hate this or that fetish, it doesn't impact the decision-making in any way. The only time a serious public backlash has changed content in TiTS was Irson, which happened off the back of a constructive debate that ultimately got the creator to change his mind and make the necessary alteration. She who will not be named still doesn't have her subbification expac in, as a result of the discussion around her getting too feisty. The more angry people get about something, the less likely Fen is to change it.

Took the words right out of my mouth. This is why no matter how much I dislike specific characters (Kiro, Emmy, Kelly, Badger, Lane, All of New Texas, ect...) I do not want them removed or heavily changed, they don't appeal to me and that's fine because I'm not the intended audience. Sure I'll shit talk them on the forums but I will defend to the proverbial death their existence in the game.

Sometimes when you pour your soul into something, it doesn't come out perfect. In fact, that is the case 99% of the time. You submit it, listen to constructive criticism, don't take that personally, try and improve on it and remember the stuff which didn't go right for next time. If you refuse to take into account the tone, boundaries and standards the body of work you are adding to, if you won't listen to editors or people trying to help you because it's your baby and you won't let go of your own view on things, you are being... conceited and disrespectful.

Going to have to disagree here, There isn't anything disrespectful about sticking to your guns. I don't think fen should have been forced to compromise his artistic vision.

People are not asking to remove things from game. People are asking for "KILL IT WITH FIRE" option within a game. Big difference.

Cough Steph Irson... Cough


EDIT: Dammit I fucked up my quotes again, fixed.
 
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At this point I feel like I´m derailing the thread by going back to its origin...


Overall I like Kiro as a character. She can be a bit of an asshole and has a few moral issues, but she also has her cute side, like when you ask to take her virginity.


I don´t really have anything against her cocky personality either. It´s just part of what makes her Kiro, the pirate nobody has ever heard about before. (Starlord anyone?) I also enjoy beating her in the drinking game, so I can pull her down from her high horse a bit. (A horse I´d preferably avoid riding)


I certainly understand why many people may dislike her, but to me the scales still tip towards the positive. 


I wouldn´t mind seeing more content of her.
 

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I like everything about Kiro and am even sad when I enter a tavern in a hurry see her there she waves and I ignore her.


The one thing I don't like is her equine dong, I wish it was a normal sized nuki-dick.
 

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I like everything about Kiro and am even sad when I enter a tavern in a hurry see her there she waves and I ignore her.


The one thing I don't like is her equine dong, I wish it was a normal sized nuki-dick.

Weren't nuki-dicks already large regardless? Its just it's shape that's different
 

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Weren't nuki-dicks already large regardless? Its just it's shape that's different

Actually no, kui-tan fall between six to ten inches, which is the same band as future humans.  You'd be forgiven for thinking that they were all massive-dicked monsters, though, because Kiro was the first and for a while only kui-tan in the game and of course has modded the shit out of her dick to make it huge.
 

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Took the words right out of my mouth. This is why no matter how much I dislike specific characters (Kiro, Emmy, Kelly, Badger, Lane, All of New Texas, ect...) I do not want them removed or heavily changed, they don't appeal to me and that's fine because I'm not the intended audience. Sure I'll shit talk them on the forums but I will defend to the proverbial death their existence in the game.


Going to have to disagree here, There isn't anything disrespectful about sticking to your guns. I don't think fen should have been forced to compromise his artistic vision.

This one gets it.
 
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