Your gripes with CoC II

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Ria Brew

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I don't think I've really seen anyone flat out deny that she's morally repugnant, mostly just that some sympathize/empathize with what she wants, which is something I can understand and respect. Even I sympathize with her a little, being someone who also is incapable of bearing a child even if I wish I could. Spoiled for topic proxy I guess lol. but I in no way defend her actions or try to justify them and maybe I'm not looking in the same places as you are but that's the general sentiment I've seen regarding it. Not to flat out say those people aren't real, jus that I don't think it's really that common



Also big red dragon demon mommy go brrr
 
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Melancholy Man

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I feel that Kas is an addiction bro, I like talking with the villains in stories. I don't know if anyone here's ever watched Midnight Gospel but when I'm engaged with a good monologue/dialogue. It just works.
 
I feel that Kas is an addiction bro, I like talking with the villains in stories. I don't know if anyone here's ever watched Midnight Gospel but when I'm engaged with a good monologue/dialogue. It just works.
Hey no shame if it's what you like, we're all here for a reason.
 

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How would you feel if the requirement for Ryn to consider the champ her lover was that you need to drill her butt?

You could buy her gifts, coddle her up in your bed and take her on lovely dates, but all that her apperent love comes down to is if you poke her butt or not? Would you still say that she loves the female/cboys champ then?
considering that in this equivalent scenario i could do the same by being in the room as emotional support while a properly equipped friend did so, maybe have to finger her or eat ass Once? yes
 

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The entire point of the Elthara/PC scene existing is so you can let Ryn blow off her steam, not get fucked by her yourself, and then also still be a participant. There is in fact an entire route through the event where you get what you wanted without having to bottom for her literally ever.

Animalistic I'm just banning you at this point for being a toxic shitheel without even having the faintest idea what you're talking about.
 

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More of an anti-gripe but the Demon of Ice quest was legitimately the best quest yet. I really really liked how the more quests you did related to the elves and bringing certain companions and items enable you to get way more out of it.
How so? I'm in the middle of writing my gripes about it, Spectre of the Wyld is probably the best in the game right now, and the Cowgirl Quest is a close second with it requiring to think about the situation to satisfy both parties.
 

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Thoughts and Gripes about RynQuest!
So this mission honestly, feels like the first or second draft of the quest design concept, which it's early access so it might as well be. There's a lot of exposition in this one and it's not done in an interesting way, I don't personally enjoy being talked at rather than being talked with. There aren't many if any moments for roleplay (there's that one check Willpower check but otherwise you're on rails). This one just ain't for me.

Values for combat and Exploration need to be rebalanced; the enemies are pushovers and I play Dark and was lvl6, they constantly drop healing supplies so I can't even say it was tense or dramatic due to resource management. Lots of Unique loot to acquire and they appeal to mixed classes so they're good for variety. Not sure if it's a bug but the Millania reference Dragon Knight did not appear in my jail at Wayford even tho I captured her.

Moral roleplay is lacking asf, at every turn the narrative keeps trying to make the enemies sympathetic or not responsible for their actions. The worst part is that they don't even do demonic activities (you know traumatic rape, Defiling shit, killing and terrorizing ppl or villages) or do things that are technically vile or reprehensible so I feel like a dick for killing them.

Edit: As it related to the Ryn schism, I'm of the opinion having seen it that the issue was being misrepresented as 'being dicked=love' when it's really ' I want to dick you because I love you but its cool you if don't want to'. My gripe about El stands, she alone isn't worthy of Ryn alone adding Hethia to the mix should have been given since it would be a cool parallel to the Sixsome sex sesh in Spectre of the Wyld, Hethia has been a staple in Elf business and Ryn's core character moments, so ball dropped imo.
 
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If I had a gripe about Ryn quest it's that the champ can't get knocked up yet. Would of made that quest's ending perfect, but that's something future players can enjoy I assume.

It also highlighted a longer standing gripe. I really wish mirror stance was just a perk, no buffs to it just the spell steal. Missing out on reaping blade/shielding smite because I forgot it, or feeling like I need to break my characters build and theme to get abilities irks me.

Maybe the difficulty spike from the other encounters to the final boss was a bit to steep as well.

Other then that it was nice, it was interesting to see Alissa's real fanatics and killers were all decimated in the winter palace void entity attack and all she had were the weaker hangers on, imps and whoever the cult threw her way (Which Alissa even mentioned so that was a nice bit of validation for my observation)

Of course I could always have used more, and having Dracia be a place we could visit and help rebuild would of been nice...but what's here is good.
 

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I didn't even remember to use mirror stance :gedthinkies: Shit
In which encounters did you have difficulty spikes, the most threatening fight was the Forge Golem and that's just because it has a phase 2.
I'm okay with Dracia being a one-off place than a whole new area because then they'd have to populate it and add events and the like. Those really aren't necessary.
 

Acharehnus

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In which encounters did you have difficulty spikes
Well depending on your build and a bit of luck it could be a total cake walk, but the last encounter like I said. There are two healers, a support imp and Alissa throws out huge damage and passively heals. It's a cool fight thematically and I like fighting teams of enemies synergizing over just one monolith

She can outlast a tankier, or heal centric team easily and burst down a dps heavy team. I dunno, I'm not a game dev and almost failed math so I don't know what I would change all I know is I went from totally walking right over every other encounter to dying over and over again against the final boss.
 

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Most of the Mirror Stance move steal lockouts are temporary. Many moves only accessible by mirror initially get added to one trainer or another (or to a tome) after a few months' worth of patches.
 

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Ryn quest 2 was an incredible piece of work, very well done. My favorite aspect was delving into the lore and world building to really paint a cohesive and sizable world. I also love that it gives much more insight into what the world was like before everything went to shit and the characterization for Daliza and to a lesser extent Alyssa. The quest also does a great job of taking some of the decisions you've made over the course of the game such as aquiring ashelander, accepting the barony from Ryn, starting a relationship with Liv, and doing the whole Lumia quest and has them add so much more context and depth to it all. This was one of my favorite reads from this game in a while and I can definitely appreciate the effort put in.

I will gripe though because I feel that I must. I think balak missed Bezerkergang with the nerf hammer because that ult is still fucking absurd. Arona just one shot the entire final bossfight twice. I feel like that's not supposed to happen.
 

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Most of the Mirror Stance move steal lockouts are temporary. Many moves only accessible by mirror initially get added to one trainer or another (or to a tome) after a few months' worth of patches.
I know but even when this game is finally released and it's not as much of an issue to get abilities I feel like a new player pretty much just equips it and never takes it off, certainly that's how I treat all new content why would you ever take it off once you've got it if you just want to keep getting new abilities.

It feels to mandatory for me, to much of a nuisance. It's not exactly a game breaker, just something that annoys me.
 

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My only gripe with Ryn guest was I followed the advice and took Arona with us. I didnt want Alissa killed, I always wanted to sex her since first meeting her but taking Arona takes away that choice, redoing with other saves w/out Arona let me arrest Alissa. So my main save/champion got Alissa killed and missed out on get Daliza's ring.
 
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My only gripe with Ryn guest was I followed the advice and took Arona with us. I didnt want Alissa killed, I always wanted to sex her since first meeting her but taking Arona takes away that choice, redoing with other saves w/out Arona let me arrest Alissa. So my main save/champion got Alissa killed and missed out on get Daliza's ring.
Do you mean daliza's family ring?
 

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Funnily enough, I actually went through the Dracia quest with only the MC, Ryn, and Daliza on my first run, Beat everything except the Alyssa boss fight with phase 2. It wasn't until I paid attention the 2nd time that I realized that Ryn and Daliza were mandatory and I could choose another party member. Ended up bringing Cait with her Hex Blade set and blew through everything with a little bit of Mirror Stance for the Golem, In terms of context, I didn't mind going with myself when it came to Ryn using her dick on me. In my eyes, It was the first she'd get to use after all that she'd suffered from Alyssa. It was a very special occasion that I didn't mind losing my butt virginity for. I guess it's a mind thing or I equate it to something like Cait giving you her first time with her butt if you keep her safe until you find her dad and do not lose to specific enemies.
 

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Thoughts and Gripes about RynQuest!
So this mission honestly, feels like the first or second draft of the quest design concept, which it's early access so it might as well be. There's a lot of exposition in this one and it's not done in an interesting way, I don't personally enjoy being talked at rather than being talked with. There aren't many if any moments for roleplay (there's that one check Willpower check but otherwise you're on rails). This one just ain't for me.

Values for combat and Exploration need to be rebalanced; the enemies are pushovers and I play Dark and was lvl6, they constantly drop healing supplies so I can't even say it was tense or dramatic due to resource management. Lots of Unique loot to acquire and they appeal to mixed classes so they're good for variety. Not sure if it's a bug but the Millania reference Dragon Knight did not appear in my jail at Wayford even tho I captured her.

Moral roleplay is lacking asf, at every turn the narrative keeps trying to make the enemies sympathetic or not responsible for their actions. The worst part is that they don't even do demonic activities (you know traumatic rape, Defiling shit, killing and terrorizing ppl or villages) or do things that are technically vile or reprehensible so I feel like a dick for killing them.

Edit: As it related to the Ryn schism, I'm of the opinion having seen it that the issue was being misrepresented as 'being dicked=love' when it's really ' I want to dick you because I love you but its cool you if don't want to'. My gripe about El stands, she alone isn't worthy of Ryn alone adding Hethia to the mix should have been given since it would be a cool parallel to the Sixsome sex sesh in Spectre of the Wyld, Hethia has been a staple in Elf business and Ryn's core character moments, so ball dropped imo.

The Dragon Knight is just a stand-in for Gytha, I'm assuming you already captured her in the Old Forest. If you didn't, she's the DK, otherwise it's just a stand-in that doesn't matter.

As for Hethia, while I like the idea, keep in mind if you didn't solve Hethia's initial enounter (at the Logging Camp during Dog Days) diplomatically by talking her down, she's gone from the game. But having her as an option could be nice for those who kept her around. Though if so, probably add more Hethia + Ryn scenes prior to Dracia and build some sort of relationship with them, which she already has with El.
 
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As for Hethia, while I like the idea, keep in mind if you didn't solve Hethia's initial enounter (at the Logging Camp during Dog Days) diplomatically by talking her down, she's gone from the game.
What do you mean by this? She's still around in my game despite fighting her, she was just pissy until I gave that bow of hers back.
 
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As for Hethia, while I like the idea, keep in mind if you didn't solve Hethia's initial enounter (at the Logging Camp during Dog Days) diplomatically by talking her down, she's gone from the game. But having her as an option could be nice for those who kept her around. Though if so, probably add more Hethia + Ryn scenes prior to Dracia and build some sort of relationship with them, which she already has with El.
She is still in the game, she just has an additional requirement. They have an understanding since the Spectre quest. I'm sure they have some rapport since she is down to get into various sexsomes with Ryn in the mix and like @valkyr42 said it's politically savvy. It would be a nice setup and payoff, plus of course, I'd give my girl a Milfy harem and secure her bloodline since I can't do it myself.
Also, Gytha is the Dk??? She looks nothing like her, does her Shadow Hound make an appearance if you don't capture her? I was wondering why she became such a sub and why the PC was so familiar with her and teasing her about not knotting her (which is a nice callback to her prior sex scenes in hindsight) when in that context it would be their first time meeting.
Edit: Spoilers, again...
 
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Ria Brew

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Also, Gytha is the Dk??? She looks nothing like her, does her Shadow Hound make an appearance if you don't capture her? I was wondering why she became such a sub and why the PC was so familiar with her and teasing her about not knotting her (which is a nice callback to her prior sex scenes in hindsight) when in that context it would be their first time meeting.

Kinda left half the spoiler outside of the tag there.

If you don't arrest Gytha then instead of the red haired DK you get Gytha DK, who for the most part is the same model but with blond hair. Essentially if you don't arrest her and let her find her way back to Alyssa she gets corrupted into a dragon knight. Obviously different scene text and no doubt there's gonna be unique scenes for her in the dungeon depending on which form you arrested/captured her as once that gets added.
 
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