Your gripes with CoC II

[morii]

I just assumed there was an elastic hole in the panties. shrug I was confused at first though

I like Etheryn's old art better and I'm bummed that we can't change back to it with other characters' arts when she has a high confidence level. Etheryn's new art doesn't look believable to me, especially around the boots and her nude art. Her nude art looks like she's wearing chastity panties, not a chastity cage. Another reason why like her old art more, I especially like the boots as an added touch.

If you download the game, you can change the names of the busts in its respective folder for the old bust to show when she's high confidence.

 

[Equivocate]

I like Etheryn's old art better and I'm bummed that we can't change back to it with other characters' arts when she has a high confidence level. Etheryn's new art doesn't look believable to me, especially around the boots and her nude art. Her nude art looks like she's wearing chastity panties, not a chastity cage. Another reason why like her old art more, I especially like the boots as an added touch.

Yeah, the original artwork should be available in every instance, it appears that it's an oversight when DCL did the newer art - seems that the dev team forgot to create separate instances of the art for Etheryn for her "high confidence" mode (or stipulate in the code for it to still allow for the original artwork to be used when Ryn is "high confidence"), and thus it defaults to the new art.
Weird, since they seemed to remember for Arona.

Spoiler: Showcasing the above

So first off, with the new Arona art by Moira, DCL went back and added pregnancy versions for Arona, although didn't change the face - however the devs included the original artwork twice for both the "arona_preg_nude" and "arona_preg_nude_dom" - so that the artwork didn't default to the newer version (which was Moira's newer version).
That's unlike what is observed with Ryn when she becomes "high confidence", because there's no equivalent high confidence artwork from the original DCL Ryn artwork. That would be easy to implement, as was seen in the Arona case, they could literally just copy paste the artwork twice and rename the file type - or just make sure to stipulate in the code that the original artwork is still to be an option even if Ryn is high confidence (the easier approach)...


"arona_preg_nude.DCL.0.png" (Sub Arona) & "arona_preg_nude_dom.DCL.0.png" (Dom Arona)


"arona_preg_nude.Moira.0.png" (Sub Arona) & "arona_preg_nude_dom.Moira.0.png" (Dom Arona)


Now when comparing with Ryn:


"etheryn.DCL.1.png" & "etheryn_nude.DCL.1.png" - Original DCL Ryn artwork

These have equivalents with the new artwork DCL did for Ryn when she's low confidence


"etheryn.DCL.0.png" & "etheryn_nude.DCL.0.png" - New DCL Ryn artwork

However, with the confident versions, there's no alternative file-type, like with Arona.



"etheryn_confident.DCL.0.png" & "etheryn_confident_nude.DCL.0.png" - with no alternatives for the original artwork.

Yeah the panties are weird, I actually like the new art better overall, but the chastity panties seem like a bit of a misunderstanding at play there with the artist...

The funny thing is both sets of art were done by DCLzexon, who actually used to be the main artist for the game... not sure what exactly transpired, but Moira is now the main artist for the game, with DCL doing art semi-infrequently for the game now.
The newer art for Ryn does look better in some instances, but kind of misses a bit of the charm from the original imo (although that could just be nostalgia, because I largely prefer the original artwork in most cases, Brienne being the exception) - although Ryn's breast size definitely doesn't seem to match the description in the Appearance (as in seems larger than A-cups) - hmm, actually, Atugia's (larger than B-cups) as well (which was also a revamp done by DCLzexon from his original artwork).

Some more recent artwork that DCL has done that seems slightly off to me (imo) is the Berwyn artwork and variations (which Moira actually had to edit the head, because the originals DCL did seemingly looked too "chibi-eqsue"), and the Zo pregnancy artwork.

I just assumed there was an elastic hole in the panties. shrug I was confused at first though



If you download the game, you can change the names of the busts in its respective folder for the old bust to show when she's high confidence.

To your latter point, yeah, while that is true, kind of unfortunate that that puts the onus on the player to do so each patch - it's not exactly like it's a difficult change for the dev team to implement... not sure how they've missed it for nearly 2 years at this point (17 July 2021).

 

[morii]

This is an extremely minor gripe, mostly a question, but what's with the codex? I noticed that The Old Country quotes a character that doesn't exist in my game, Kinu, and she's not even a character that can be without my sperm... All the other codices I've picked up have characters that either exist in Savarra itself or have. I think this is intentional, but it's just a nitpick I have because it feels weird to quote an entity that won't be born

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Too much reading involved in this game, where's all the pretty pictures

 

[wery12345]

THat was fucking obnoxious to have to go through.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

Spoiler: Don't Open

Spoiler: I Warned You

Spoiler: Why are you doing this?

Spoiler: Door Number 1

Wasn't for the newer folk, granted you're right, there ain't enough hours in the day to catch up on all that drama. Just assume the opener works like a boolean and you'll be fine. If you've been here for a while it applies. If not disregard, carry on, enjoy your stay. The rest of it is for the old timers who know who they are, know this has been beaten into the ground to hell and back and continue to carry on.

Spoiler: Door Number A

Admirable, but mistaken on pointless speculation quashed by the writer's participation, alas time's a wastin, allow one a moment of pointless enunciation.

Spoiler: Words Words Words

A bit of context: while back, someone somewhere had to go and over complicate things for shits and giggles like you do, instead of walking it back afterwards. They just left it in the air for a very vocal minority of Brint fans to cling to it like it was gospel. They in turn started blowing the whole situation out of proportion, turning a slight contrivance into a master study in corruption, and making it everyone else's problem. It's people looking for meaning where there is none or to put it simply, you're overthinking it.

Spoiler: Lightning Round

Now paraphrasing for the boss-man, but if you want gospel, people who work on this game ain't hard to find.

- Brint/enne is the result of the writer circumventing the 1 child policy that's the simplest answer. That's it, that's all there to it, a means to an end no more no less.

- Did the armor change the cowboy: No shit Sherlock, but nothing as malicious or insidious as gaslighting leading to character death or corruption incarnate like some folks like to believe or lead others to believe.

-Why the personality shift: in general men and women have different priorities, wants, needs, focuses, desires and so on and so forth, the change in personality is the author's interpretation of those changes to an extent and to the best of their abilities.

-Take this one with a grain of salt, plans change and I haven't heard hide nor hair of armor quest for a while: Will your relationship w/ Brienne change ? You'll be able to double down on the current relationship or break your bond and reforge it into something new together during or after armor quest.

-Now point 4 doesn't negate point 2. A change did occur, but all the brain washing, cursing, corruption, manipulation, character death bs, it's wrong, let it go, let it die. If you wanna go and figure out what the armor actually did. Go for it, the sky's the limit.

-All the extra bits when the cowboy is transforming: just signposting because for a supposed "adult " fan base playing a text game, most of you motherfuckers can't read i.e. the Hornet Ring.

Spoiler: That's All Folks

Now the harm comes from A. mob mentality B. too many great story lines and characters fall to the wayside because of vocal fans who kept shouting what they thought was right and how things should have been handled instead of just agreeing to disagree then going on with their lives. Its how we end up getting nothing at best or a spite project at worst, the real crux of the issue is when you take away all the ad hominems et ad nauseam.

When you advertise one character as the corruption of another and keep encouraging folks to actively avoid engaging in that content. Content that they're actually interested in, if not for constant reminder from the peanut gallery that you're corrupting your best bro and you're making the "wrong" choice or the evil choice or however you want to put it. When there isn't one in this situation, hell even if there was. We're all degenerates here. I digress. It's a sad sentiment I've seen pop up more often than not on here and other spheres. People who are interested, but don't go for it because they've been sold a false bill of goods that they're a terrible person for hurting a bunch of 1s and 0s allegedly.

Spoiler: For Real This Time

I'll ya what tho, a few folks want to vent about flawed but decent game, couldn't give a fuck. Ya'll wanna theorize or hypothesize, don't mean shit to me. My issue is when the same lie is being told, by the same people after it's been refuted, rebutted and rejected time after time. But eh, what do i know . Ya'll are big boys and girls, you're going to do whatever you think is "right" regardless of what I have to say or anything else for that matter besides that's all I got. If ya made it this far, congrats and thanks for coming to my TED talk if you can actually read that is, anyway pip pip da doodly doo

Don't forget Papa Nurgle loves you.

Tl;dr: It's just words, a lot of words. Did i spoil the surprise for ya?

Whilst I admire the effort, the format makes it a chore to keep track of how the text is supposed to be flowing.

If you actually want me to read that, you're going to have to rearrange it into something less ungodly. Even a demented antler fetishist has to hold onto some standards now and again.

 

[Ria Brew]

Idunno I followed it pretty well

I'm probably the only one but it sorta appealed to my disjointed train of thought.

 

[wolfraider13]

I really, really wish I had time to write Carmen but my attention keeps getting pulled elsewhere.

We understand...just also horny for the vamprix

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Whilst I admire the effort, the format makes it a chore to keep track of how the text is supposed to be flowing.

If you actually want me to read that, you're going to have to rearrange it into something less ungodly. Even a demented antler fetishist has to hold onto some standards now and again.

That was the point, short version Briennebros stay winning

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

That was the point, short version Briennebros stay winning

I'm not quite sure I see the wisdom in making something as obnoxiously annoying to read as possible, and then bragging about 'winning' when you've intentionally made it difficult for the other participant of a conversation to respond properly.

That's like tying cinderblocks to someone's legs and then acting like it's some impressive shit that you beat them in a foot race.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Does this clear it up and that's a waste of good rock.

Spoiler: Pretentious

How boring this world would be, if everyone thought like me, to enjoy an activity so similarly without the same degree of lunacy.

To the point now, the original comment, just the inane rambling of an irritated arachnid drunk on insanity that has been here far too long. At this point I should either start writing psychological horrors or rush off to greener pastures. Now is the information in said post valid, credible, and backed by testimony, yes, to the best of my limited knowledge. Which raises the question: if it's meant to be informative, why make it so obtusive. Simple, it was fun that and if you lurk for any amount of time and you'll notice there's a handful of folks here always eager to play the moral adjudicator, always with something to add but rarely anything of substance. I find them particularly irksome.

However, if you put in a little work into your ramblings, not much mind you. Often they don't bother to give it a cautionary glance or even acknowledge it, except the particularly loquacious ones, but they serve to further prove my point, in a way only someone who's socially tone deaf can. Honestly if all it takes is a few extra button presses to break your train of thought and give up before the gettings good. Did you really care what the other person had to say to begin with?

The other post, I'm just eager for things to come. It has nothing to do with being a braggart, On one side Brienne’s family content is coming back sooner rather then later, what's not to love about that. On the flip side if you know you know and if not, well that's unfortunate. But to those who do, of all the circles I've swam in and of all the sycophants and sociopaths I've seen. You were my favorites and I want you to know, wherever you are.

Now I've wasted enough of these good people's time and my own respectively, I'm sure someone's probably eager to gripe about Cait's grooming temple or lia n azzy's relationship or how quinn's an unapologetic rapist or why titties big or how armor bad or how Kas doesn't really love you or how Kinu hates you now or how cats and foxes are actually the same thing or what have you, the list goes on and on, but ya'll have a good day now.

Spoiler: Simple and Clean

Honestly it's just me venting on the venting thread, imagine that. Nothing to take seriously besides, there's no winning not here on the furry porn forum. Now could I go back and edit what I wrote, sure, try to make it cohesive, coherent, and concise without a doubt. I could but I won't. People ain't gon read it, they've already made up their minds. We got some smart cookies here, they'll figure it out on their own one way or another. If I can do it anybody can just gotta be willing to look.

Besides it's just a shit post and a bad one at that. One you've read far too into it seems, if you've even read it at all, either way I love ya for it. So, if I owe anyone the gist of it, it's you. Thing is some people like Brint, others Brienne and sometimes some jackass for some reason likes to stir the pot and gets on their high horse, to preach to the rest of us. How if you like one you're a monster and if you like the other you're a cu ck. (See what I mean, you can't even write the whole word anymore that's how bad it was) So, if nothing else fuck that guy, don't be that guy. You do you, I'll do me and we won't do each other probably.

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

You do you, I'll do me and we won't do each other probably.

Imply there's even a remote possibility of us fornicating again and I'll find the means to shove a cheese grater through this screen and straight into your groin.

I don't care if it's a shitty joke, I am personally not alright with that sort of thing.

As for the rest of it, you soured my mood nice and early with:

Often they don't bother to give it a cautionary glance or even acknowledge it, except the particularly loquacious ones, but they serve to further prove my point, in a way only someone who's socially tone deaf can. Honestly if all it takes is a few extra button presses to break your train of thought and give up before the gettings good. Did you really care what the other person had to say to begin with?

I have a neurological disorder that makes certain things hard to follow or retain, but I appreciate this and you editing the previous post to make it seem like I'm some idiot who doesn't like to read.

As it turns out, I would of been all the better off for just not reading anything you've said in the first place, right you were.

 

[Acharehnus]

Just click his profile and ignore. When someone admits right to your face they're amusing themselves by being a troll it's simplest just to believe them.

 

[TVGuru]

"So, yeah... I know that this was meant to be a date, and we haven't actually done any touchy-feely stuff like what someone might expect out of a date..."

Pointing out that it wasn't really much of a date doesn't make up for the fact we didn't get to do an actual date.

 

[Lakka]

I was really surprised to find that golden eggs don't give you a bird tail

 

[Kingu2]

Was going to post this on another thread that got me thinking about this but thought it would be better here.

On second look back the whole kinu storyline is actually pretty bad. It's like a puzzle piece that's from an entirely different puzzle and way bigger than the other pieces that someone just decided to cram in there, fucking up a bunch other pieces to do so. For instance in order for the attack to have happened in the timeframe that it did, the story has to completely diseregard the possibilities that 1. the champion goes to Kiyoko's den on a regular or semi regular basis and 2. that Kiyoko might be a regular fixture in the champions party. It's a real stretch to believe that the champion wouldn't show up at some point during the event or the aftermath to notice all the blood and fire damage.

Barring that, with the torii sealed and them needing to get to Komari's den they would have had to walk through the wayfort to get there which begs the question why did no one stationed or living there say anything to the champion about the 50+ kitsune led by your wife that came through and if you're the Baron of the fort why they didn't shelter them for a while.

Barring that, how did the people Hawkthorne or the inhabitance of the forest not notice the massive fire going on only 100 meters away. you'd think these townsfolk would be concerned about a forest fire and at least send someone to check it out.

Barring that, Kinu was out for a couple of days after that fight which circles back around to how could this have happened without the champ noticing. Seriously the champ being a regular visitor at Kiyoko's leaves a massive plot hole in this story. All of these elements together reeeeeeally pushes the limits of suspension of disbelief at best. basically the rest of the world including the champion themselves have to just stop existing for a few days for this to work.

 

[WolframL]

The same explanation for everything related to pregnancy and how it's biologically possible to have the Champ's children* even be born when the story takes place in the span of a few months: The day tracker is essentially a handwave to allow X amount of time to pass between scripted events but canonically doesn't matter. In other words 'Repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, I should really just relax!'.

* Kiyoko's kits and Freja excepted, because they have a different handwave.

 

[wolfraider13]

The same explanation for everything related to pregnancy and how it's biologically possible to have the Champ's children* even be born when the story takes place in the span of a few months: The day tracker is essentially a handwave to allow X amount of time to pass between scripted events but canonically doesn't matter. In other words 'Repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, I should really just relax!'.

* Kiyoko's kits and Freja excepted, because they have a different handwave.

I get it. But like @Kingu2 was saying it's emersion breaking for me. I actually do enjoy the rest of the kitsune content, just not that particular portion of it so I usually just skip it, I haven't seen where it impacts my games in any meaningful ways if later on with an update it does I may go back and do them until then Raphael can suck it...

 

[WolframL]

And I'd respond that there are certain things you need to do to tell a story and if that means handwaving that there was a sequence of a few days that passed in the Casa de Kiyoko when you weren't present even if the player is capable of visiting it, then so be it. The alternative would be to set a period where you can't access it (or in the second one where Kinu just vanishes for a few days) for people who absolutely must have Muh Realism, but then people would complain about that too.

 

[wolfraider13]

And I'd respond that there are certain things you need to do to tell a story and if that means handwaving that there was a sequence of a few days that passed in the Casa de Kiyoko when you weren't present even if the player is capable of visiting it, then so be it. The alternative would be to set a period where you can't access it (or in the second one where Kinu just vanishes for a few days) for people who absolutely must have Muh Realism, but then people would complain about that too.

Fair point. I was simply stating My views and preferences. If the sequences become relevant down the line I'll go back and slog through them, I did half of it on one of my characters maybe I'll finish it to see...

 

[Nuin]

Was going to post this on another thread that got me thinking about this but thought it would be better here.

On second look back the whole kinu storyline is actually pretty bad. It's like a puzzle piece that's from an entirely different puzzle and way bigger than the other pieces that someone just decided to cram in there, fucking up a bunch other pieces to do so. For instance in order for the attack to have happened in the timeframe that it did, the story has to completely diseregard the possibilities that 1. the champion goes to Kiyoko's den on a regular or semi regular basis and 2. that Kiyoko might be a regular fixture in the champions party. It's a real stretch to believe that the champion wouldn't show up at some point during the event or the aftermath to notice all the blood and fire damage.

Barring that, with the torii sealed and them needing to get to Komari's den they would have had to walk through the wayfort to get there which begs the question why did no one stationed or living there say anything to the champion about the 50+ kitsune led by your wife that came through and if you're the Baron of the fort why they didn't shelter them for a while.

Barring that, how did the people Hawkthorne or the inhabitance of the forest not notice the massive fire going on only 100 meters away. you'd think these townsfolk would be concerned about a forest fire and at least send someone to check it out.

Barring that, Kinu was out for a couple of days after that fight which circles back around to how could this have happened without the champ noticing. Seriously the champ being a regular visitor at Kiyoko's leaves a massive plot hole in this story. All of these elements together reeeeeeally pushes the limits of suspension of disbelief at best. basically the rest of the world including the champion themselves have to just stop existing for a few days for this to work.

Not particularly so I think. While your reasoning isn't false per sé, it's based on many assumptions we don't exactly know about.

1. Distance
While on our map Kiyoko's Den doesn't look that far away from Hawkethorne - and Evergreen kinda reinforcing this "fact" with her statement of neighbouring Hawkethorne in a few decades - I think it's likely not just some 100 meters. If time passed moving on the map has anything to say in this matter and considering a normalized walking distance of 6km/h = 4mph, it's certainly not.

2. Army crossing Wayfort
The main problem here would be the order in which the story plot happens. Players are able to play through content however they want, and - say, you renovate the Wayfort much before doing Floofhouse or freeing your family - you are right. If you however would do the opposite and free them way before Winter City, then after managing all events there directly rush into the Rift and spend days solving that plot it's certainly possible. Which takes us to number three.

3. How did help get to Kinu fast
While the Torii Gate of Kiyoko's den was blocked off, it's never mentioned Floofhouse's was aswell. As the raid unfolds we are told Kiyoko is visiting Komari that night, so my assumption ever was that - while attempting to return home from her visit and being blocked off - she realized something very serious is happening right now. Imagining them making haste by teleporting to the wayfort gate with the help of Kohaku also wouldn't be that much of a stretch. Considering point 1 I'd assume it would take them between 2 to 3 hours from there to arrive in front of the den.

Conclusion
It's up to the player in which order he solves certain plotlines to be plausible. However, it can be plausible.

 

[Resawar]

I hope in the combat rebalance they hit holy damage the hardest with nerfs, with how often demons show up, and in the future maybe some undead. Both ice and storm seem to be in a good spot for neutral damage unlike holy as stated above, with fire and blight hitting the semi rare beast, fey, and the rare plant. Acid would be here if anything other then the spiral blade did it, not even acid flask does acid damage it does pure cunning damage.

It really does seem that holy damage weapons and power are the best in the game just to list off them:

Spoiler: Holy Damage Weapons and Powers

The Dawn sword, the Sanctified Gladius, and the Chrysanthemum Petal seem holy suited to wreck the entire game without fail with the Divine Blossom already having it's time in the sun not being overly busted. With powers Charge Weapon is free unresistible damage along with Celestial Smite, Jade Flame, White Fire, Holy Shock, and Smite Evil all having almost no downsides with the most gimmicky being Karmic Retribution while still being good and Aurora Arrow being an Ultimate and great.

The new Valkyrie TF blows the Kitsune god form powers out of the water with them all giving holy damage while Kitsune get stuck with the interior fire damage the second worst damaging type to hit some of the most common enemy's with Blight being number one. It feels like going Kitsune is a one way trip to gimping yourself to fight Demons, the Kitsune Tf could only topped by the Gothmander if all they got when the Tf comes out is blight damaging powers.

This bias negatively effect melee quite a lot with two of the best weapons being locked behind being good with under 20ish Corruption less they fallout of your hands reminding me somewhat of the OG Beautiful Sword. This all cumulates into this games best setup to beat one of the most common enemy types that being the Holy Spellblade Valkyrie Thief with the Dawn Sword and the Sanctified Gladius running Smite Evil and Charge Weapon with the choice of recharge powers.

Other weapons are great but seem more balanced by not hitting the number one incursion force in the setting super effectively and nothing else resisting it bar storm and ice damage being able to hit most enemy's for neutral, with of course some of these also being over powered like the Griefmaker.

 

[embersDiscarded]

The Acid Flask does do Acid Damage, it just doesn't directly state it.

 

[A1teros]

Damn, even after the Teatime for Dragon's quest has been updated, we STILL can't get any honey in our tea. Truly a travesty. Also, if you don't have sex with Kaina after the first meeting scene, her portrait still switches to the naked version anyway when moving to the scene where she actually gives you the quest which looks very weird if you never got down and dirty in the first place.

 

[ForeverLurker]

The tea time quest I honestly forgot who evelyn was then I checked the wiki and remembered. I just went azzy route evelyn wasnt really my cup of tea.

 

[Enigmatic D]

The tea time quest I honestly forgot who evelyn was then I checked the wiki and remembered. I just went azzy route evelyn wasnt really my cup of tea.

It's to be expected when it comes to certain fetishes that people like. Not everyone likes being submissive to certain people. I can understand not wanting to submit to a dominant woman with a dick. Sure, there are chances where you can have anal sex with her iirc, but I believe that requires you tending to her orally, anal, and vaginal before that happens. All in all, different strokes for different folks

 

[Nuin]

It's to be expected when it comes to certain fetishes that people like. Not everyone likes being submissive to certain people. I can understand not wanting to submit to a dominant woman with a dick. Sure, there are chances where you can have anal sex with her iirc, but I believe that requires you tending to her orally, anal, and vaginal before that happens. All in all, different strokes for different folks

That's exactly my gripe with Evelyn - or at least 3 of 4 characters gripes with her since #1 is a helpless romantic banging non-dicked characters only (and is even planned to be monogamous once v1.0 gets released), #2 strifes to stay maiden and #3 wants to dominate everything - hence I hadn't much interest in her content up till now. So for me she's kinda "Wsan's Kiyoko" regarding content gatekeeping Also that flags Azzy as those characters sole option for now.

If however there would be a different route, maybe even a sexless one, to befriend her implemented… that would change everything as I do like her in a platonic way.

 

[WolframL]

Alas, probably not happening. I kinda wish there would be one because my main Champ would probably get along with her platonically via bonding over some similar background elements, but that's not really what Ev is written for. Most of my other Champs are into her, but to each their own.

Wsan does have plans for an eventual 'Champ doms Ev' xpac but we don't know when that might materialize.

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Honestly Evelyn was interesting once but now I never interact with her. Prior to the expansion she didn't really have anything going on besides sex scenes which are all implicitly or explicitly dickgirl-domme which is definitely not my bag and also the way her menu was laid out was a massive pain in the ass so you had no guarantee you were going to get the scenes you wanted. Even now I see no reason to give her the mutually-exclusive Spear of Soft Femdomme when that can and IMO should go to Azzy since as a party member she gets much more out of it in the long term.

 

[Revenant]

I still wish we could either keep the spear for ourselves or destroy it so no one else could have it, either of those would even give a resolution for those that are locked because they corrupted Azzy and ignored Evelyn.