Your gripes with CoC II

[WolframL]

The difference in amount of content with Brint vs Brienne fluctuates depending on what Wsan has done at any given moment. Brint had an entire mini-quest and new gear set for months before Brienne's Pyromancer gear was added, and it was a month further before the proper quest to obtain it showed up. Brienne currently has more content because of the stuff that Wsan has stated he just liked the dynamics of but that doesn't mean Brint isn't going to get more content, and since Wsan has talked about future interactions with Brint's old friends it's safe to say he'll have fairly different content there than Brienne will.

Also, this whole thing about 'destroying character' started because someone took something Savin said completely out of context, ran it through a couple of mental filters and told the forum they'd heard it was happening, when it literally was never the case... though I suppose Animalistic can identify with that given the number of times they've taken people's Discord statements out of context.

 

[TVGuru]

Kinda sad after all you've been through together, Azzyran still considers your relationship with her still being platonic. I really do feel like the other man at this point.

 

[oracle of derpy]

Apparently after a drinking moment with cassia and chose whether champ wanna flirt or stay casual with her, we're locked out of brihaus....there goes my fav quickie nap spot

Anw the bits of brint asking about his dad to cassia is sweet tho

 

[CasualAntlerEnjoyer]

Also, this whole thing about 'destroying character' started because someone took something Savin said completely out of context, ran it through a couple of mental filters and told the forum they'd heard it was happening, when it literally was never the case... though I suppose Animalistic can identify with that given the number of times they've taken people's Discord statements out of context.

I know. It was discussed recently enough on here for me to catch wind of it, but the discussion at this very moment had moved well enough away from it that it was no longer relevant information unless we're just specifically looking for chances to take jabs at Animalistic. Which while I can understand your frustration with them, leaves me less then impressed.

The difference in amount of content with Brint vs Brienne fluctuates depending on what Wsan has done at any given moment. Brint had an entire mini-quest and new gear set for months before Brienne's Pyromancer gear was added, and it was a month further before the proper quest to obtain it showed up. Brienne currently has more content because of the stuff that Wsan has stated he just liked the dynamics of but that doesn't mean Brint isn't going to get more content, and since Wsan has talked about future interactions with Brint's old friends it's safe to say he'll have fairly different content there than Brienne will.

That's all well and good, but I'm speaking entirely on the current state of the game, and as it is now Brienne is noticeably more fluffed out with content, and it will likely remain this way for a notable while.

As I said, this feels like a bit of a backhand to players that prefer male content(which is already lacking) or brint specifically, as the original variant of the character is thrown by the wayside in favor of what is practically a completely different one at that point.

 

[morii]

I love my moo soon-to-be-wife Brienne. However, I can understand the frustration with the lack of content for Brint. It's been a couple years and people are growing impatient, which is only natural with how long it's been. There's lots more to enjoy with Brienne currently, and like Animalistic said, she's way less simplistic in design.

Also, I'm not sure how to get the winter knight set to work. He can't draw aggro for shit, I usually get targeted. Isn't that gearset supposed to be tank-oriented? The Brienne pyro set is much better imo.

 

[Sacremas]

I sort of wish Brint and Brienne were two completely different characters, like adventuring mino brother and sister that you run into together instead. I have several characters that would enjoy playing with Brienne a lot, but it's just not in their character to leave their friend to suffer under the cursed armor without taking them Brother Sanders to at least look over it, which then stops things, so to get my favorite waifu, I have to intentionally betray my friend. It comes across as just insane meta-gaming in the end, which has led me to just ignore Brint and Brienne entirely out of frustration for a good while.

 

[Acharehnus]

Kinda sad after all you've been through together, Azzyran still considers your relationship with her still being platonic. I really do feel like the other man at this point.

Is it just the new set where she keeps calling you her hive-wife? That is a bit sad.

Because the hive-wife stuff is really adorable.

 

[TVGuru]

Is it just the new set where she keeps calling you her hive-wife? That is a bit sad.

Because the hive-wife stuff is really adorable.

More the post-set talk scene where she talks about getting a hive, having a lot of daughters, living with Liaden...and maybe you, platonically. Does clash with her calling me her hive-husband other times. Makes it seem more sextalk than her genuine feelings.

 

[Acharehnus]

More the post-set talk scene where she talks about getting a hive, having a lot of daughters, living with Liaden...and maybe you, platonically. Does clash with her calling me her hive-husband other times. Makes it seem more sextalk than her genuine feelings.

If you talk to her about other stuff she constantly brings up that you're her hive-wife, talk to her about your companions and she has it all planned out where everyone will be in her hive. It's cute.

 

[TVGuru]

If you talk to her about other stuff she constantly brings up that you're her hive-wife, talk to her about your companions and she has it all planned out where everyone will be in her hive. It's cute.

Can't say I share the sentiment.

 

[Sacremas]

Very minor gripes that can hopefully be easily fixed; Atugia's initial sex scene as well as staying the night with the Puppers never cause a proper sleep effect, and so doesn't let you level up, or go see Kiyoko if you have the amulet. I wish both those events acted like normal sleeps in those respects.

As said it's a very minor gripe, practically the only time it was a proper regret was when I was going back and forth between the farm and Zo to get all of her training sessions and spending the night with the Puppers rather than pitching a different kind of tent, and so missed out on about a week of tailmaking with Kiyoko (gotta get that 9 tailed waifu if you're already going that way) but still seems a bit weird.

 

[zagzig]

More the post-set talk scene where she talks about getting a hive, having a lot of daughters, living with Liaden...and maybe you, platonically. Does clash with her calling me her hive-husband other times. Makes it seem more sextalk than her genuine feelings.

It seems to me that this part is the outlier? It's possible this one scene is poorly worded or a parser was missed somewhere, and the rest is her genuine feelings.

 

[Sacremas]

I feel like unless the earlier Liaden parts got rewritten, a lot of folks are going to feel like the third wheel at best with Azzy. I don't actually mind that much being relegated to a fuckbuddy, with multiple wives I already kinda feel like my champ doesn't have enough hours in a day or days in a week to keep everyone that genuinely cares about them properly happy, but I know it's a serious sore point among some that's just going to by default think the worst of any Azzy scene as a result.

Note that I still haven't gotten to the new content (for whatever reason the restartitis bit me and I rebooted my paladin character) so I can't comment on the new scenes one way or another.

 

[zagzig]

I feel like unless the earlier Liaden parts got rewritten, a lot of folks are going to feel like the third wheel at best with Azzy. I don't actually mind that much being relegated to a fuckbuddy, with multiple wives I already kinda feel like my champ doesn't have enough hours in a day or days in a week to keep everyone that genuinely cares about them properly happy, but I know it's a serious sore point among some that's just going to by default think the worst of any Azzy scene as a result.

Note that I still haven't gotten to the new content (for whatever reason the restartitis bit me and I rebooted my paladin character) so I can't comment on the new scenes one way or another.

Any Liaden parts in particular? You can now approach Liaden in the chapel and talk through the relationship with her, along with sex scenes and a date. And Aly has mentioned that there are rewrites to the High Ground quest which haven't been implemented yet.

 

[Sacremas]

Any Liaden parts in particular? You can now approach Liaden in the chapel and talk through the relationship with her, along with sex scenes and a date. And Aly has mentioned that there are rewrites to the High Ground quest which haven't been implemented yet.

Just a general sentiment I've seen in other places like the F95Zone thread on COC2, that apparently some people felt "cucked" (somehow, despite you having to be the one to even set them up to begin with, and being given the option to tell Azzy no) to such a degree they just dismissed the character to the point several even skipped downloading the update or even looking at the new content. Don't share those feelings as said, some of them are outright irrational, but I'm glad those new interactions are there, always liked Liaden myself, even if I wished you could at least befriend her even if she wasn't interested in you. Which it seems you can now, so yay!

 

[Ria Brew]

I've stumbled across that place long ago when looking for an answer to something and I wouldn't necessarily cite them as being the most... objective collection of people. A lot of what I saw felt very emotionally charged, with an emphasis on the charged part. I'd take anything you see there with a generous pinch of salt.

I guess I have a weird outlook on the whole thing, as someone who spent 2 years in a poly relationship, I never felt third wheeled by anything with Lia and Azzy. To me it was exactly what some poly relationships are: your partner has their partner and you aren't always gonna be involved with them and that's okay. As far as I'm aware, mine, with 4 people all dating each other, is kind of rare in poly.

 

[Animalistic]

The scenes I remember people having specific problems with are--
1)Anything involving Dawnsword quest. How Azzy seemed more enamored with her girlfriend while just paying passing glances for the champ. I think this one should be fixed, since Aly alluded to it.
2)The voyeur scene. People do not like the fact that you can walk on them having fun, which either results you in being kicked out as a guy or the girls paying lip service as a girl before going on their marry way. Just seems unnecessary.
Those are the ones I can think off off top of my head.

But I think a lot of frustation also stems from peoples perception of Azy prior to her becoming a companion.
The first time you meat her, she seems deeply enamored with you if you fuck her, so a lot of people assumed that she was more in vain with Brienne and Kiyoko in terms of waifus. So when she latter gets enamored by Liaden, who, quite frankly, has done nothing during the entier quest or had any real interaction with Azzy prior to justify their love for each other. So a lot of people felt betrayed. Which I get.
I think that the Azies speach about her peoples poly tendencies should be moved somewhere in her initial encounter. The one she gives player if you refuse to help her with Liaden (which people also seemingly have problem with).

 

[redlightnin55]

some people felt "cucked" (somehow, despite you having to be the one to even set them up to begin with, and being given the option to tell Azzy no)

While I can't speak for the, uhh...extremists on the subject, there is something to this with the content as it was. I can't vouch for recently added things mind you, steam is my platform and we only get the one update per month generally between the 16-20th. So this post will be written from a perspective that doesn't take that added stuff into account.

The problem is that their relationship comes very much out of nowhere when prior to it, she's very deeply into the champion, and then she loses any sort of focus on the player once Liaden gets involved, though it's not really extreme enough to come off as proper cucking. It's more neglectful and not so much fetishized. And it becomes a recurring event with a special CG and everything that gets forced on you, serving as kind of a constant reminder that Azzy literally races off to be with Lia (stated outright through the narrative) as soon as she can but she never has an event where she approaches or expresses the same level of interest in you, regardless of your gender.

And my issue with telling her no is that, well, the champ comes off kinda psycho in that particular dialogue. I personally would rather just have another choice that says "go for it" but still removes the content for the player, that way you don't get forced to contend with that stuff if you happen to be a huge Azzy stan/play a male character period, and you don't act like a lunatic.

Though again, this is not accounting for any new content added. Purely based on previous version experiences.

 

[zagzig]

The problem is that their relationship comes very much out of nowhere when prior to it, she's very deeply into the champion, and then she loses any sort of focus on the player once Liaden gets involved, though it's not really extreme enough to come off as proper cucking. It's more neglectful and not so much fetishized. And it becomes a recurring event with a special CG and everything that gets forced on you, serving as kind of a constant reminder that Azzy literally races off to be with Lia (stated outright through the narrative) as soon as she can but she never has an event where she approaches or expresses the same level of interest in you, regardless of your gender.

Is the issue that you want a recurring event where Azzy propositions you for sex as an equivalent for her scene with Liaden? Because Quin can have that from his holiday event and it's quite unpopular. For the player experience, I personally prefer that we be the ones to initiate as many things as possible. That's the only thing I can think of regarding 'losing any sort of focus' on the player character, as her dialogue is always very affectionate and eager to make love to the champion.

 

[TVGuru]

Any Liaden parts in particular? You can now approach Liaden in the chapel and talk through the relationship with her, along with sex scenes and a date. And Aly has mentioned that there are rewrites to the High Ground quest which haven't been implemented yet.

Maybe if you’re a woman. As a man, all I get is the same chat and a hug. The relationship talk just boils down to me telling her to talk to Azzyran about it, stating advice from me is apparently unneeded. Even weirder the hug scene refers to Liaden as my girlfriend despite us never talking about that or even doing anything to imply it. Azzy calls me a pet in one scene, her King in another, and her platonic savior who might share her hive in the next. It’s just all so inconsistent.

 

[Animalistic]

Because Quin can have that from his holiday event and it's quite unpopular.

Because it is bad. People really do not have problem with Brienne milking or Kas/Kiyoko events.

 

[redlightnin55]

Is the issue that you want a recurring event where Azzy propositions you for sex as an equivalent for her scene with Liaden? Because Quin can have that from his holiday event and it's quite unpopular. For the player experience, I personally prefer that we be the ones to initiate as many things as possible. That's the only thing I can think of regarding 'losing any sort of focus' on the player character, as her dialogue is always very affectionate and eager to make love to the champion.

I think people not liking the Quin one is probably because it's Quin, and while I don't really think much of him one way or the other, other folks love to hate him for some reason. I don't see people complain about Brienne's all that much, so I doubt they'd hate a decent Azzy one either. I wouldn't mind it personally if it functioned the same as Brienne's does, where you can say yes, no, always yes, or always no.

As for anything else, I've talked about this ad nauseam in the past, so I don't really have the energy to dig every bit of it back up to re-explain my feelings. If you're curious about my personal feelings about their relationship, I typed them all up here a while back as I refreshed myself by going through the whole thing scene by scene and writing as I went. If you're uninterested in the entire spiel, just read the "My final verdict is that..." portion of the post and what follows after it.

I think I'd rather just get the aforementioned "go for it but still remove it for me, the player" option when she approaches the champion about Lia. I don't like Lia much even without her relationship with Azzy so that option would be the ideal solution for me, personally.

 

[zagzig]

Maybe if you’re a woman. As a man, all I get is the same chat and a hug. The relationship talk just boils down to me telling her to talk to Azzyran about it, stating advice from me is apparently unneeded. Even weirder the hug scene refers to Liaden as my girlfriend despite us never talking about that or even doing anything to imply it. Azzy calls me a pet in one scene, her King in another, and her platonic savior who might share her hive in the next. It’s just all so inconsistent.

Looking at the hug scene, it seems gated that only people who aren't lovers with Liaden can get it which seems like another bug. Other than that, well yeah, Liaden is a lesbian. The patch is that champ and Lia can interact and be friendly outside of Azyrran.

And between pet, king, and platonic savior, the latter seems like the outlier. For the record, one of the devs on Discord was informed of the "and yourself, platonic or not" line and replied "god damnit". So honestly it seems like a lot of this is beefy patch jank.

EDIT: Nope, misread code which happens a lot. The scene is definitely written as if it's only meant to trigger as a liaden.isPoly interaction though

EDIT EDIT: The hug also got an exasperated response. The lesson here is report things that seem janky because a lot of the time they just are, lol.

 

[Sacremas]

I don't mind Quin approaching the player, what I do mind is him approaching the player with the exact same damn content over and over. If he came up and was all, hey, I really miss you, want to hang out? And by hang out I mean have a lot of sex? And a yes just triggered his normal sex scene collection with that "taleer package" scene as another selectable option, I'd be a lot more okay with it personally.

 

[zagzig]

Perhaps, though I definitely prefer the game shy away from random or recurring events. I know the scenes I want to proc, game! You don't need to be throwing events in my face to remind me that [character] exists!

 

[Sacremas]

EDIT EDIT: The hug also got an exasperated response. The lesson here is report things that seem janky because a lot of the time they just are, lol.

Lol, guess I'm keeping away from Azzy/Lia content on my male characters until next patch...

 

[TVGuru]

Looking at the hug scene, it seems gated that only people who aren't lovers with Liaden can get it which seems like another bug. Other than that, well yeah, Liaden is a lesbian. The patch is that champ and Lia can interact and be friendly outside of Azyrran.

And between pet, king, and platonic savior, the latter seems like the outlier. For the record, one of the devs on Discord was informed of the "and yourself, platonic or not" line and replied "god damnit". So honestly it seems like a lot of this is beefy patch jank.

EDIT: Nope, misread code which happens a lot. The scene is definitely written as if it's only meant to trigger as a liaden.isPoly interaction though

EDIT EDIT: The hug also got an exasperated response. The lesson here is report things that seem janky because a lot of the time they just are, lol.

So even a hug is off the table. This really fails to endear me to her in any capacity.

 

[zagzig]

Lol, guess I'm keeping away from Azzy/Lia content on my male characters until next patch...

You could say that the bug had a lot of bugs

(I absolutely stole this line)

 

[morii]

I find the Harpy event annoying as hell and I don't know how to get rid of her besides kicking her out of my room. Does it disable her permanently if you do that? I only have bedmates when I'm looking for something in particular, and I think that's the only other way to stop her from appearing. =w=

About the Quin holiday thing...I liked being a holiday slut once or twice. But how do you stop him from asking if we have holiday events on? Can you opt out permanently or something?

 

[zagzig]

I find the Harpy event annoying as hell and I don't know how to get rid of her besides kicking her out of my room. Does it disable her permanently if you do that? I only have bedmates when I'm looking for something in particular, and I think that's the only other way to stop her from appearing. =w=

About the Quin holiday thing...I liked being a holiday slut once or twice. But how do you stop him from asking if we have holiday events on? Can you opt out permanently or something?

Yeah, if you keep kicking the Wingleader out she stops showing up. And the answer for 'how do you stop him from asking' is... you can't. Ever. There's probably a console command for it but otherwise it's an infinitely repeating event. To the end of time, Quin will be asking if you'd like to be his holiday hussy.

Like those poor folk stuck impregnating Brienne every fortnight because they selected Always and refuse to use birth control.