Your gripes with CoC II

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Byvernia's cool.
I'm interested in seeing her content expanded, want to know what her whole deal is but most importantly want to know what's going on with the kids I've knocked her up with in the past!
Hope they're doing alright.
 

Wint3rRyd3r

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And, no, Leofric, I won't stop clapping Jen every time I see her.

The one thing everyone can agree on.

Byvernia's cool.

eeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh. I mean, if you're into that I won't judge but eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Big schlong wyld elf boy can fuck right off.

Annoying fairy man from the forest can catch fire and then fuck right off.

Hard agree on elf boi. Ninian is an ass but he's not the worst. He's pretty arrogant for someone who could be defeated by a rolled up newspaper though.

Crazy horses and their bullshit crit damage should be turnet into glue, and I should be able to slap the marefolk leader sharply before lecturing her in the basics of responsibility and not giving axes to mental patients.

Fuck the crazy horses, in a nonsexual way. Those guys are annoying and there has got to be a better solution than just letting them run around attacking everyone they see. Still, with how much stuff we find laying around, it wouldn't shock me if they stole those axes. I mean, just look at all those high quality rocks and flamey sword juices lying around.
 

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most of the npcs don't really annoy me enough for me to outright hate them. though I will say I dislike most of the kitsunes and there are some npcs that annoy me greatly. I think the character I hate the most is Tollus. the guy is just a power hungry asshole leading a bunch of gullible dumbasses, who doesn't give a shit how many people he has to step on to get what he wants. but I guess that is what most cult leaders are, huh.
 

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weird, people are talking like they know exactly how the guy is gonna go. Hopefully they're wrong though, cuz it sounds kinda badly written.
 

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Stuff posted on the discord that got misinterpreted, on top of that. The stuff you're talking about is specifically in a bad ending, if you corrupt him, and bad endings are non-canon. It's at no point going to be content in their main storyline.

What the actual fuck.
 
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Animalistic

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weird, people are talking like they know exactly how the guy is gonna go. Hopefully they're wrong though, cuz it sounds kinda badly written.
I hope so.
Stuff posted on the discord that got misinterpreted, on top of that. The stuff you're talking about is specifically in a bad ending, if you corrupt him, and bad endings are non-canon. It's at no point going to be content in their main storyline.

What the actual fuck.
Did it get changed into bad ending? So he will not become an encounter? I hope so since the first draft sounded awful. Like it was shaming corrupt players. Did anything else get changed?
 
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Squirrelwagon

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Did it get changed into bad ending?

That specific scenario was always intended to be a bad ending, at no point was it supposed to be main story content. If you corrupt him, and then hit the requirements for a bad ending, that stuff might happen. He also doesn't go on a raping spree that part is just straight up false.

So he will not become an encounter? I hope so since the first draft sounded awful. Did anything else get changed?

Oh, he's an encounter. It just seems like you misinterpreted some of the stuff in that doc because I have no idea how you came to the conclusions you did.

He's also not immortal or indestructible; as someone further up said, decapitation will kill him, he's just very, very resistant to magic attacks. I'm just incredibly baffled right now.
 

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That specific scenario was always intended to be a bad ending, at no point was it supposed to be main story content. If you corrupt him, and then hit the requirements for a bad ending, that stuff might happen. He also doesn't go on a raping spree that part is just straight up false.



Oh, he's an encounter. It just seems like you misinterpreted some of the stuff in that doc because I have no idea how you came to the conclusions you did.

He's also not immortal or indestructible; as someone further up said, decapitation will kill him, he's just very, very resistant to magic attacks. I'm just incredibly baffled right now.
And what I meant by raping sprees is that he and his bunch of goons go and rape other half of his mercs. Than they become hostile encounters? So i guess that is false?

Also, I just read stuff on discord 2 months ago. I do not remember any doc. So apologieson my part.

Is the doc public?
Also, any more info you can give?
 

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If you (try to) corrupt him, he rebels against you and along with his male mercs, goes and rapes female mercenaries. So he does what he has done up until now, he just excuses it on corruption. After that he becomes roaming encounter while Jen blames us.

Now again, you can excuse it as it being our fault. But than again, I do not see what we have to gain from him raping all of his female mercs. Just seems counterproductive. So it feels more like game is shaming us for wanting to act corrupt. Eh, at least that disbands the mercs.

This was posted on discord by Bubbles. Can not be bothered to find it.
Stop telling fucking lies, dude. This is the last time I'll tell you.

At no point does Leofric just "roam around raping". You continue to lie and not know anything you are fucking talking about. The mercs don't disband and NO ENDING made them do so, even the one on the concept docs where he turns evil (which in itself is vastly out of date). It's lies like this that are why I had to explain/showcase how inaccurate and/or out-of-date this shit is just yesterday.

At no point was there a bad end where Jen "blamed you" because the only continued-play corrupt event was the ORIGINAL bad end for Leofric, which is where you WILLINGLY corrupt him. You obviously didn't fucking read the context, though, as he doesn't SERVE you in even that writing. At no point were you his master/commander.

So kindly STFU and stop telling lies. You're paraphrasing everything I say and you're STILL not even being accurate. Like shit, you literally have people explaining it to you that it's not what you think/assume it is (keypoint on ASS because you're just the biggest one ever anytime you post). So many people on the forums are believing you when you don't even proof your shit or ask me on Discord. Stop spewing your BS.

Every doc on the mercenaries except their ORIGINAL PITCH document are available. And this BAD END where he turns into a monster is because YOU MAKE HIM INTO THAT MONSTER. You. The Player. And it is an end condition that is non-canon. So his terrible actions are because YOU are terrible when you topple him to the dark side, despite countless warnings about it.

It's just like how people ASSUME he's immortal because I mention he ages SLOWER. Not that he DOESN'T AGE. But fuck, I can't wait to hear/see you're doing the exact same shit all over again.
 

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Stop telling fucking lies, dude. This is the last time I'll tell you.

At no point does Leofric just "roam around raping". You continue to lie and not know anything you are fucking talking about. The mercs don't disband and NO ENDING made them do so, even the one on the concept docs where he turns evil (which in itself is vastly out of date). It's lies like this that are why I had to explain/showcase how inaccurate and/or out-of-date this shit is just yesterday.

At no point was there a bad end where Jen "blamed you" because the only continued-play corrupt event was the ORIGINAL bad end for Leofric, which is where you WILLINGLY corrupt him. You obviously didn't fucking read the context, though, as he doesn't SERVE you in even that writing. At no point were you his master/commander.

So kindly STFU and stop telling lies. You're paraphrasing everything I say and you're STILL not even being accurate. Like shit, you literally have people explaining it to you that it's not what you think/assume it is (keypoint on ASS because you're just the biggest one ever anytime you post). So many people on the forums are believing you when you don't even proof your shit or ask me on Discord. Stop spewing your BS.

Every doc on the mercenaries except their ORIGINAL PITCH document are available. And this BAD END where he turns into a monster is because YOU MAKE HIM INTO THAT MONSTER. You. The Player. And it is an end condition that is non-canon. So his terrible actions are because YOU are terrible when you topple him to the dark side, despite countless warnings about it.

It's just like how people ASSUME he's immortal because I mention he ages SLOWER. Not that he DOESN'T AGE. But fuck, I can't wait to hear/see you're doing the exact same shit all over again.
Wait, it got updated? Thank you and sorry for miss judging. I am going to read it.
About that immortality thing, I should have wrote indestructible. Since, as you said, we can never really defeat him since he can nit be damaged by conventional means. He will just take pittance on us. Which does seem lame.
 
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BubbleLord

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Wait, it got updated? Thank you and sorry for miss judging. I am going to read it.
About that immortality thing, I should have wrote indestructible. Since, as you said, we can never really defeat him since he can nit be damaged by conventional means. He will just take pittance on us. Which does seem lame.
Except for decapitation (a fatal blow) and magic are all useful against him, whilst conventional damage (stabbing non-vitals, bleeding out, etc) don't work but mechanically will work in-game due to balance, albeit they will do reduced damage.

He doesn't "take pittance"; he doesn't pity you but respects your skill and ability, which is why he stops fighting. Again, assuming makes a BIG ASS out of you.

Edit: for reference, none of this is "changes". This has all been designed and intended from the very start, at the very least from when he was started (basically a year and a half ago now, now, I think)
 

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Except for decapitation (a fatal blow) and magic are all useful against him, whilst conventional damage (stabbing non-vitals, bleeding out, etc) don't work but mechanically will work in-game due to balance, albeit they will do reduced damage.
I would think that in world where magic is commonplace that it would also fall under conventional means. So I thought you needed to do some really abstract stuff or something.


He doesn't "take pittance"; he doesn't pity you but respects your skill and ability, which is why he stops fighting. Again, assuming makes a BIG ASS out of you.
If you say so. To me that still sounds like when your older brother lets you beat him in a game. Which does kind of lessen the joy of fighting him (if we have to). But that is how I view victory. But as you said context matters.

Edit: Where can I find the doc?
 
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Wint3rRyd3r

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I'm glad. Got a little worried there. I do look like an idiot now but I'm happy to have been wrong and just got misinformation.

decapitation will kill him


Every doc on the mercenaries except their ORIGINAL PITCH document are available.

I'd like to apologize for believing misinformation with no proof and continuing on without being able to verify it. That is a serious mistake on my part and I'm sorry. You're probably stressed and overworked enough without having to come and deal with misinterpreted information getting spread around and I'm sorry for being a cause of that.
 

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On Bubble's Pateron. Probably

Pay now, my lord
 

Animalistic

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On Bubble's Pateron. Probably

Pay now, my lord
Nope, I am going to wait and see. I read some thing on discord. And I have to say, I hope that I understood this right. That we are going to be able to disband the mercs or something similar. Because seriously, screw them.

The reason why I am wondering this is because apparently, almost every named merc will have expansion. But we can apparently be locked out from them. And once again, screw them.
Also, I do wish all that information was somewhere in one place. I hate searching around discord.
 
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Wint3rRyd3r

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On Bubble's Pateron. Probably

Pay now, my lord

I think I just got a flashback to old ads that made me feel skeevy. In the sea of sultan/king scam games, none hold a candle to those early days where they weren't even trying to hide their motives.
 
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Animalistic

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Not very carefully, it seems...
To be fair, you try using that site. It gets annoying reading, even with smart search, all useless facts to get to important information. Especially with how memme it gets.

Like, can information not be put in one place? Besides that, I hope I am right this time. If I am mistaken please correct me.
 
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Damn, what did Boomer and Lusamine do to you?
Try to rape me than act all buddy buddy. My annoyance comes from feeling like game sees nothing wrong with it. Now, this is not exclusive to them. Many others, like Kitsune and Tanukis (game adm have this problem. And it is equally as shity there.
But mercs also have the problem of just being unlikable to me. From our character saying "maybe this bunch of rapists are not all that bad. Maybe there is good in them". To Lusamine "only wanting dick expect when Cait is involved" thing. To Jen being just worst leaders of mercs money can buy. They did about as much damage as damn Orcs.To now learning that we can never beat Leofric. That only reason we can "win" against him is because "he sees some worth in us". Which is a pity victory to me no matter the context. Just make him so tough late gane boss or something.

So yeah, that is my whole problem. They are the worst example of what game likes to do with bunch of its combat encounters.
 
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After playing the latest Mayternity backer patch I'm kinda disappointed in how CoC2 handles pregnancy content. With TiTs some of the NPCs that impregnate Steele actually acknowledge the pregnancy and some of the NPCs that Steele impregnate warn Steele when or if they have had the children. CoC2 doesn't, Brienne, Kiyoko and Arona kinda do but NPCs like Gwen and Elthara (I know she's a new one but it lacks something) don't.
 

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Damn, what did Boomer and Lusamine do to you?

They poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses.

Well, no. But are we just gonna wait around until they do?
 
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