Your gripes with CoC II

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Ria Brew

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We've talked about a Steal skill before but it's a relatively High Effort endeavor.
Out of simple curiosity, by high effort do you mean "we'll do it eventually but not now" or "It's a bit too complicated so we decided against it?"

Or "haven't quite decided yet?"
 

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Out of simple curiosity, by high effort do you mean "we'll do it eventually but not now" or "It's a bit too complicated so we decided against it?"

Or "haven't quite decided yet?"
High Effort just means it'd take a lot of work to come up with/maintain theft tables for all the enemies forever. Because of that, we haven't done it.
 
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That's totally fair.
 

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Even Etheryn's tragically shrunk junk is still around the human average at 4 inches. I don't know what magic people in Savarra are using that Brint can sleep with humans, elves, and catfolk without literally breaking them but it must be the good stuff.
The official line is that it's the magic of fun overriding realism. Though a couple characters like Fritte and Kasyrra do explicitly know how to cast 'Make It Fit', possibly as some kind of prestige class feat...

Also, I think Ryn's size is actually going to be an asset for her: Just imagine how eager she's going to be once the cage comes off and she wants to finally use her royal sceptre. If she were packing a polearm under her skirt she'd probably faint from all that blood migrating south for the first time in forever.
 

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Doesn't Ryn have dialogue where she says she shrunk it to try and get out of the cage? Who knows how big she previously was.
 

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Doesn't Ryn have dialogue where she says she shrunk it to try and get out of the cage? Who knows how big she previously was.
She does in her 'Alchemy?' option, but she says that it wasn't very big even before she tried shrinking her penis so it was probably something like six inches to start.
 

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My personal gripe is that it's never quite clear how to do things that patches add. Case in point, turning Cait into a leothran. Previously: siorcanna shaman is a random encounter, kinda figured she'd be an integral npc that helps you in the rift. Sure, it's fun to discover by myself, but a descriptive patch note on the forums might help sometimes. Had to go to the wiki to discover the blue giant / twin quest in the frost marches is what unlocks the new dialogue with River back when that was added, and that was only a few weeks after the actual release, when people discovered that. Still love the game but wish it wasn't as hard to figure out who does what how when.
I'm still trying to figure that out. The cait thing
 

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Someone here described the game's story as the PC's journey of self-discovery when faced with temptation, adversity, and responsibility.
Quick search only brings up me, so if no one else is taking credit...
But seriously, you could say that about any Great RPG that really earns the RP aspect. CoC1 was along the same themes; For all its faults, I liked how it felt so organic in motivating you to corrupting yourself through the mechanics and narrative.

I'm hoping it's building up to a final dungeon where the player and guest star party member Kinu finally put Raphael in his place. But as it stands, it seems Kinu is the protagonist of a completely separate game and like she wants to tell us off. Her reactions make sense from a writing perspective, but from the player's it feels frustrating. So far we can't even train her and help her, or the other floof children, learn to fight against non kitsune opponents.
That was also one of the two ways I thought of resolving this tension in a satisfying way. The other would be a fight, but that's another can of worms to sort out. A sparring match where the ideal solution is to lose would be cool, though; a "nothing more to teach" moment.

For every personality choice the player gets to make, that's exponentially more time the author has to spend writing it. And for better or for worse, we're at the point now where we know The Observer has a story they'd like to write and they're going to write it that way. You as a parent are a supporting character in Kinu's narrative, so you will be written to put you where you need to be for Kinu to shine. And if you don't like it, well, it's probably not changing.
Let's not overestimate the amount of work he'd have to do here. For all I've read about his dislike of "false choices", I still think it's worth it for the game to ask what amounts to a binary "do you get it?" and railroad your character to the scene accordingly; enthusiastic consent and all that. But I also like the Perfectly Fine way that studios like Telltale went about it, so take me for what that's worth.
 

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That was also one of the two ways I thought of resolving this tension in a satisfying way. The other would be a fight, but that's another can of worms to sort out. A sparring match where the ideal solution is to lose would be cool, though; a "nothing more to teach" moment.

Could always have two targets come up at once and require a party split moment where the PC entrusts Kinu and her party to go after Raphael and bring his head back on a pike while the PC and their party goes after whoever (some of his backers, maybe?) instead of insisting that either the PC or Kiyoko go along with Kinu. Though maybe thats something that might be done after the tension is resolved otherwise and as proof that 'yep, I'm definitely for real cool with you taking this as a rite of passage thing like we went over earlier and not fighting you on it'.

I was kind of surprised the black mage ultimate only explodes some of the things and otherwise just removes things from combat for 2 rounds. Not sure its a gripe exactly, just kind of surprised to see a black mage type class not get a nuke for their ultimate.
 

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Here's one of my only gripes so far: the ovipositor eggings are anal-only. Mostly I have issue with two Azzyran scenes(because they start good but I have issues by the end), including the 3some with her queen, and there's a line that Azzyran "can't implant eggs into your womb", and I'm like "...Why?". Why, is that a hornet people taboo? She can squirt a gallon of lube in there so the champion's belly bloats, but not eggs? And in the "Suck and Ride" scene the ovipositor is already in the champion's pussy but she's like "No no, I have to switch it to my asshole for the eggs", I don't understand the insistence on that. I'm just saying a variation would be nice.
Isn't there more room in a womb? And it can stretch too. I get it if the hornets catch someone with no pussy, and they have no choice, but why always only buttholes? A womb seems like a more secure place for your eggs and more difficult to get rid of the eggs. And what, do the victims' guts get completely blocked up for almost 2 weeks? Sounds both painful and dangerous to their health, don't tell me anyone would agree to it willingly.
Actually, the whole hornet/bee overcomplicated lifecycle in both games is just s...silly. It's bonkers. What an awful way to come into the world by the way, born from a stranger's sphincter. Just dump the eggs in a corner of the palace if the queen doesn't want to carry them, in fact I just started wondering why can't their eggs "come to term" in the workers' insect abdomens. They're carrying them around anyway....
 

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Just dump the eggs in a corner of the palace if the queen doesn't want to carry them
It's likely the eggs require some form of incubation until shortly before they hatch; inside a body is a much more stable environment than out in the open, and babies need a stable environment during their early stages of development (and inside the egg by itself might not be stable enough). Simply dumping the eggs like you suggested would likely result in them dying. As for the rest, I have no answer/explanation other than "maybe it's just some cultural BS". The only points of comparison I have are the nyrea and bothrioc from TiTS, but a) they don't have the same problems and b) using TiTS as a basis for what to expect from CoC2 is fallacious.
 
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Here's one of my only gripes so far: the ovipositor eggings are anal-only. Mostly I have issue with two Azzyran scenes(because they start good but I have issues by the end), including the 3some with her queen, and there's a line that Azzyran "can't implant eggs into your womb", and I'm like "...Why?". Why, is that a hornet people taboo? She can squirt a gallon of lube in there so the champion's belly bloats, but not eggs? And in the "Suck and Ride" scene the ovipositor is already in the champion's pussy but she's like "No no, I have to switch it to my asshole for the eggs", I don't understand the insistence on that. I'm just saying a variation would be nice.
Isn't there more room in a womb? And it can stretch too. I get it if the hornets catch someone with no pussy, and they have no choice, but why always only buttholes? A womb seems like a more secure place for your eggs and more difficult to get rid of the eggs. And what, do the victims' guts get completely blocked up for almost 2 weeks? Sounds both painful and dangerous to their health, don't tell me anyone would agree to it willingly.
Actually, the whole hornet/bee overcomplicated lifecycle in both games is just s...silly. It's bonkers. What an awful way to come into the world by the way, born from a stranger's sphincter. Just dump the eggs in a corner of the palace if the queen doesn't want to carry them, in fact I just started wondering why can't their eggs "come to term" in the workers' insect abdomens. They're carrying them around anyway....
It's because butt eggies are what the people who write those scenes are most interested in. Plus, they're parts-agnostic.
 
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Brint's weapons seem to largely be made out of iron, steel, or some other grey metal, excluding the axe's sharp part and some of the smaller details. This feels odd, considering that most of the world, excluding the Kitsune country, uses bronze weaponry.
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Brint's weapons seem to largely be made out of iron, steel, or some other grey metal, excluding the axe's sharp part and some of the smaller details. This feels odd, considering that most of the world, excluding the Kitsune country, uses bronze weaponry.
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Put it down to artistic license.
 

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Yeah, it's the same story with why the Mercs have headshots showing armor made out of different metals when they all should be using bronze, artistic license. If a character is actually using iron or steel, the text will draw attention to it.
 

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Brint's weapons seem to largely be made out of iron, steel, or some other grey metal, excluding the axe's sharp part and some of the smaller details. This feels odd, considering that most of the world, excluding the Kitsune country, uses bronze weaponry.

The kitsunes use bronze because it is easier to work than steel and it is cheaper, even so I want to assume that they only use it for tools or basic weapons, even so Nakano's Katana has to be made of steel by necessity, Khorminos seems to be or have been masters in architecture, I do not see why they could not have rescued the steelmaking of their past times
 

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The kitsunes use bronze because it is easier to work than steel and it is cheaper, even so I want to assume that they only use it for tools or basic weapons, even so Nakano's Katana has to be made of steel by necessity, Khorminos seems to be or have been masters in architecture, I do not see why they could not have rescued the steelmaking of their past times
Architecture generally isn't a question of steel before the late nineteenth century.

The floofs use iron because they lack ready sources of tin for bronze. One of the reasons behind the establishment of their Greater North Savarra Co-Prosperity Sphere was to secure oil tin that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to use.
 

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Architecture generally isn't a question of steel before the late nineteenth century.

The floofs use iron because they lack ready sources of tin for bronze. One of the reasons behind the establishment of their Greater North Savarra Co-Prosperity Sphere was to secure oil tin that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to use.

To elaborate, if we're drawing any analogues to tin in real life, it's pretty damned rare to begin with, as rare as uranium.

Malaysia got really prosperous (for the region, anyway) because of the fact it was the richest source of tin in the whole world for a good while. That, and natural rubber.
 

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The balanced swords are iron if remember right, and Lusina's sword is steel. Aside from artistic license, there could be more leftover weapons and armor that survived and they're just not important enough to get a description calling attention to it. And if we're just going by art, you can easily explain away Brint's weapons as painted. Azzy's weapons and ab piece are, I think.
 

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Lusina's sword is steel. Aside from artistic license, there could be more leftover weapons and armor that survived

I believe Lusina's new marefolk village dialogue specifically calls out that her claymore fell through a portal centuries ago. There's a reason it is actually, mechanically, one of if not -the- best weapon in the game.
 

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Since we are on topic of materials are there any types of metal / wood / leather that are ya know present in coc 2 that dont exist irl (think of mithril as an example) ?
 

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Since we are on topic of materials are there any types of metal / wood / leather that are ya know present in coc 2 that dont exist irl (think of mithril as an example) ?
Well, dragons exist so there might be things made from their body parts (enchanting a la the Flaming Dagger using a drake's spirit aside) and we just haven't seen it yet.
 

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...are there any types of metal / wood / leather...

What would be the ethics of killing a cow or a rabbit to eat and/or wear its hide/fur when anthropomorphic versions exist in the same world?
 

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What would be the ethics of killing a cow or a rabbit to eat and/or wear its hide/fur when anthropomorphic versions exist in the same world?

The anthro races would probably be uncomfortable, at least if they're present, but there's a difference between them and the livestock they share traits with. Though I wouldn't offer the puppridge cow girls steak without asking well in advance
 
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People in Asia and Africa eat monkeys without a second thought, so...
So is that the parallel? I'm not passing judgement, just scientifically curious.
 

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Or wear clothes made of cow leather?

I don't know where the leather comes from. Besides, the royal leathers are all I wear that's leather. Brint/Brienne wear leathers no problem.
 
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