Yeah, that's fair. And I will admit that one of the flaws of my complaint/suggestion combo is that it basically boils down to "Do more work! Spend more money!" and world knows how exhausting those can be, so I get it.
Your gripes with CoC II
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Yeah, that's fair. And I will admit that one of the flaws of my complaint/suggestion combo is that it basically boils down to "Do more work! Spend more money!" and world knows how exhausting those can be, so I get it.
Reason? Those pictures that show of your champion seem weird. Like, what is a purpose?
At least, does removing them from the folder fix it?
Edit: It still leaves the window that shows them off. Nice...
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How about 'Because they're not coded that way and there's no way for the game to read your mind and know what you do or don't want to see because you need to find something to bitch about'?
It seems reasonable from my side. I play this game to avoid being a human male. These types of pictures take me out of experience. They are most of the times unnecessary and add nothing. And the whole point of this thread is to mention your gripes.
While I can understand that some people might agree with that sentiment and not wish to view the representation of their character in certain scenes, bear in mind that all of the CGs in-game are commissioned (leading there to be a definite lack of incentive for changing that, not to mention extra work).
Whilst I do somewhat understand your gripe (with the TiTS image pack being separate from the regular version so you don't need to see the CG if you don't want to) - this is not TiTS.
You've received an answer, and whilst it might not be to your liking - I'm fairly certain no amount of reiteration is going to change the stance.
True. It is just a shame that I can not do anything about it that is satisfactory. It is kind of shame to ruin a scene for someone just because you can not be bothered to allow us to dissable CG only.
honestly man, i don't know why you worry about it so much; simply ignore the appearance of the "pc" and imagine the descriptions and appearances of your pc in place, it is quite easy in a game where most of the time you have to use your imagination.
I mean yeah, but It is postes in middle of the text. The box that you need to close it still takes up space. And I need to make sure that I ignore which I would not need to do if the pictures was not there. I also dislike it on principle. In game where we are free to make our character, it seems strange to add a picture featuring your PC that most likely then not will nor match players champion.
easy, directly delete in the folder all the CGs that you do not want to see. End of the problem.
That box that contains the pictures is still there and distracting. At least it is somewhat better. I wish that there was a way do also disable it.
Disabling ALL CGs would be fine. Like I said though, it would be all of them.
Judging by your last three posts, I can only imagine that you're fielding whiny, insignificant gripes from Animalistic in an attempt to help him and becoming more and more frustrated as he nit-picks and shits on every single helpful tip you throw his way.........
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Yeah, that. That would be fine. There are only really few quests related CGs that I like. So I would be fine with disabling them rest of the time when I do not want to engage with them. Sure it is more work on my part, but better then nothing. And could it also remove the boxes that contain pictures?
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The PC's behavior during the latest Kinu quest is seriously aggravating me. He seems to be justifying wanting to constantly protect Kinu from all the dangers of the world, but I find this desire very hypocritical for someone who's facing danger on a near-daily basis (you're about to deep-dive into the ocean to fight an eldritch monstrosity you fucking daredevil). Hime Kinu points this out a little bit during her closing dialogue with him, but he deserves a bigger callout than this. I hope that our PC has some serious introspective or a talk with another character about it maybe Miko, Mai or hell even Kiyoko, idfk I'll take anyone, even Nakano.
In my opinion, the fact that Hime Kinu felt the need to hide this information from the PC in the first place speaks volumes, and not about her; the closing sentences where she gives him the cold shoulder demonstrates why. Hime needs someone to open up to after bottling up her emotions for so long, but the PC's blatant hypocrisy has made her distrustful of the PC, and rather than focus on this unmet desire, the PC's inner monologue focuses AGAIN on how much her childhood innocence has been robbed, and to me this just smacks of selfishness. Too bad, you don't get to raise an adorable little kit, get over it, she nearly fucking died and you're focusing on "oh no your childhood, blz be safe". To me, this is a parent that's failing at their job, and if tobs insists on scripting the player's response to the Kitsune content in general like this, I hope the PC gets the callout they deserve.
I hate that this questline is making me hate my own character, my own avatar, when I know that this is totally out of character for him. Just shut the fuck up about her innocence or whatever and give her a fucking hug, tell her how strong she is for SUCCESSFULLY putting on a brave face for others while almost never crying the process, and then explain to her that it's okay to cry in front of you of all people, because of all the people she knows, you're the best candidate to be the target of her venting, being both her father and a foreigner. There are wolves, rape flowers and painted demons just outside her home, and you think you can preserve her innocence in this world forever you demon-hunting dumbass? Your cunning is maxed you stupid fucking idiot, I know you know better. Fuck. (edited an extra clause to a sentence to make it coherent)
In my opinion, the fact that Hime Kinu felt the need to hide this information from the PC in the first place speaks volumes, and not about her; the closing sentences where she gives him the cold shoulder demonstrates why. Hime needs someone to open up to after bottling up her emotions for so long, but the PC's blatant hypocrisy has made her distrustful of the PC, and rather than focus on this unmet desire, the PC's inner monologue focuses AGAIN on how much her childhood innocence has been robbed, and to me this just smacks of selfishness. Too bad, you don't get to raise an adorable little kit, get over it, she nearly fucking died and you're focusing on "oh no your childhood, blz be safe". To me, this is a parent that's failing at their job, and if tobs insists on scripting the player's response to the Kitsune content in general like this, I hope the PC gets the callout they deserve.
I hate that this questline is making me hate my own character, my own avatar, when I know that this is totally out of character for him. Just shut the fuck up about her innocence or whatever and give her a fucking hug, tell her how strong she is for SUCCESSFULLY putting on a brave face for others while almost never crying the process, and then explain to her that it's okay to cry in front of you of all people, because of all the people she knows, you're the best candidate to be the target of her venting, being both her father and a foreigner. There are wolves, rape flowers and painted demons just outside her home, and you think you can preserve her innocence in this world forever you demon-hunting dumbass? Your cunning is maxed you stupid fucking idiot, I know you know better. Fuck. (edited an extra clause to a sentence to make it coherent)
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My personal gripe is that it's never quite clear how to do things that patches add. Case in point, turning Cait into a leothran. Previously: siorcanna shaman is a random encounter, kinda figured she'd be an integral npc that helps you in the rift. Sure, it's fun to discover by myself, but a descriptive patch note on the forums might help sometimes. Had to go to the wiki to discover the blue giant / twin quest in the frost marches is what unlocks the new dialogue with River back when that was added, and that was only a few weeks after the actual release, when people discovered that. Still love the game but wish it wasn't as hard to figure out who does what how when.
I sorta feel that about a lot of the PC's interactions with Kinu. And while it too goes against the personality I've established for my character, I'm not about to hold the authors accountable for anything that contradicts how I view my own character as the only one responsible in that situation is me for running with my headcanon beyond the bounds of the game. However it seems to kinda contrast the PC's established personality in the game as well. And while I understand the concept of "It's different when it's family" it still feels a bit jarring and I can't help but wonder what the payoff for portraying the PC in such a manner will be.
Kinda agree on the points made about Kinu tbh, though with my character it kinda fits. He's a powerful black mage who faces constant danger out there in the world, and that's the only way he knows to protect his friends and children. He hasn't had the time nor can he make the time to settle down and be with family, because he must keep searching for Kasyrra and stopping her corruption of the entire world. For all he knows, if he stays just one week with his family to learn how to be a father and a husband the way those roles are meant to be, Kasyrra could win. Every time he gets to fight Kasyrra or her minions, he knows he's putting her more and more on edge, as while she's toying with him, and she wants him to grow more powerful before consuming him, both Kasyrra and my PC know that the moment she'd best attack him is when he's just slightly weaker than she is, and at the rate he's growing, that moment could pass anytime. Kasyrra must be aware of that, too.
So while yes, I agree that there should probably be options to be a proper parent to any of the children you can potentially have, I also can understand how any PC would be incapable of it during the game, as they're generically young, for all we know parentless, and wanderers. All of their relationships are based on lust, and while they may say they love someone, they can't get to know them in day to day life beyond threatening situations.
In short, the PC is immature, and that explains them failing at parenting, just as they fail at having a serious relationship with anyone.
The PC in CoC was much the same, and the most parent-worthy thing you can do in that game is train Helspawn to be able to survive, teach her moderation, and teach her not to be a slut. Kinu was already trained in combat by her mother with or without PC's help, she knows moderation as part of the Kitsune culture, having to be exemplary to others, and while she technically is a slut like any other kitsune, she's not rushing to become her mother, neither hime Kinu nor hippy Kinu. The PC couldn't teach her much more than that. Kinu needs parents to be there for her, and the PC can't provide during the game. Provided both PC and Kinu survive in the long term, sure, I can see the PC starting to take the Kitsune culture more seriously and actually trying to be a parent.
So while yes, I agree that there should probably be options to be a proper parent to any of the children you can potentially have, I also can understand how any PC would be incapable of it during the game, as they're generically young, for all we know parentless, and wanderers. All of their relationships are based on lust, and while they may say they love someone, they can't get to know them in day to day life beyond threatening situations.
In short, the PC is immature, and that explains them failing at parenting, just as they fail at having a serious relationship with anyone.
The PC in CoC was much the same, and the most parent-worthy thing you can do in that game is train Helspawn to be able to survive, teach her moderation, and teach her not to be a slut. Kinu was already trained in combat by her mother with or without PC's help, she knows moderation as part of the Kitsune culture, having to be exemplary to others, and while she technically is a slut like any other kitsune, she's not rushing to become her mother, neither hime Kinu nor hippy Kinu. The PC couldn't teach her much more than that. Kinu needs parents to be there for her, and the PC can't provide during the game. Provided both PC and Kinu survive in the long term, sure, I can see the PC starting to take the Kitsune culture more seriously and actually trying to be a parent.
I can see where you're coming from with that perspective but at the same time that falls pretty heavily under player headcanon. The reason you know so little about your characters backstory is to let you plug whatever reasoning you may want into how your character ended up how and where they are (and, equally, because that'd probably be a nightmare to implement and do anything meaningful with.) The closest you get is the background you choose and even that is cryptic at best. I feel a lot of my issues with it overall would be fixed by some sort of player given feedback but that may also be a bit of a difficult thing to implement given that the scenes are full conversations with a lot of thoughts exchanged by both sides.
I guess my issues ultimately lie in the portrayal of the character being overbearing to that degree when there's little to no precedence set for that kind of behavior. When I think about it I can connect the dots as to WHY they may be that way but it feels a bit odd that it's such an important character trait that you don't really have a say over.
In the grand scheme of things, it's really just "eh, I can honestly just headcanon that out that personality trait." And I still love Kinu and the rest of the Kitsune. These are just my own thoughts on what ReDead posted.
I guess my issues ultimately lie in the portrayal of the character being overbearing to that degree when there's little to no precedence set for that kind of behavior. When I think about it I can connect the dots as to WHY they may be that way but it feels a bit odd that it's such an important character trait that you don't really have a say over.
In the grand scheme of things, it's really just "eh, I can honestly just headcanon that out that personality trait." And I still love Kinu and the rest of the Kitsune. These are just my own thoughts on what ReDead posted.
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I think a lot of games wherein there is personalization / customization of your character will result in players feeling that it doesn't meet their understanding or head-canon for their character. Unfortunately that's just the result of writers writing their perspective or narrative for characters in their game / story they wish to tell.
In games where you play a specific character (with no personalization / customization) this is not an inherent issue, because it's apparent that no matter what actions the character does / what the character says - it's not you (assuming you're not RPing as that character) - so the results don't matter for head-canon (only continuity issues would matter for the character - but that'd be from a writing perspective).
End of the day though, things will always be interpreted subjectively - whether they deserve scrutiny or not is just so as well.
In games where you play a specific character (with no personalization / customization) this is not an inherent issue, because it's apparent that no matter what actions the character does / what the character says - it's not you (assuming you're not RPing as that character) - so the results don't matter for head-canon (only continuity issues would matter for the character - but that'd be from a writing perspective).
End of the day though, things will always be interpreted subjectively - whether they deserve scrutiny or not is just so as well.
There is something to be noted that the Kitsune content unlike all the rest often portrays the Champion as being "wrong" for wanting to have any part in events and needing to be explicitly chastised for it.
Which is what gives people the feeling that the writing of this part of the game is disjointed from the rest, as if it almost takes issue with the presence of the Player Character "intruding" and would rather be its own story with kitsune protagonists.
Which is what gives people the feeling that the writing of this part of the game is disjointed from the rest, as if it almost takes issue with the presence of the Player Character "intruding" and would rather be its own story with kitsune protagonists.
I mean, you literally are an intruder in every sense. Even when you become one, you most definitely are not one in spirit yet. Some people are just going to have to get used to the fact that you likely won't be much more than a welcomed outsider until probably epilogue times.
The kitsune content feels fine until we get to kinuquest. It feels like it belongs as its own game and like the story is written to say the player is wrong for wanting any involvement. But that feeling of "piss off, how dare you want agency" doesn't appear in the rest of the kitsune content. Even when Kiyoko is saying we have no input, that feels like adjusting to a multicultural family as opposed to how kinuquest does it. I'm hoping it's building up to a final dungeon where the player and guest star party member Kinu finally put Raphael in his place. But as it stands, it seems Kinu is the protagonist of a completely separate game and like she wants to tell us off. Her reactions make sense from a writing perspective, but from the player's it feels frustrating. So far we can't even train her and help her, or the other floof children, learn to fight against non kitsune opponents. I already feel enough like a deadbeat mother.
Well, Kinu was trained by Kiyoko with both the naginata and the bow, while residing in the timeless plane inside the pendant. One can assume such training took months if not years. Kitsune are perfectionists, and Kinu would be expected to master these weapons before coming of age. One can assume the rest of the children are at least getting basic combat training in a similar manner, but indeed the focus was on Kinu to follow in her mother's footsteps. Kiyoko defended her home to the very end, and Kinu was likely trained to the extent where she'd be able to do the same. Anything the PC could teach Kinu would be either messing with her existing melee/ranged training, or teaching her magic that would be considered strange in her people's culture and make her unfit as an example, as she'd be using foreigner magic.
Fair points, but you can already get involved in magic training as part of a quest in the astral plain to help her learn magic and Kiyoko has no issue using general spells that everyone else can. Furthermore her existing training is primarily against other kitsune as that's who exclusively trained her. The puppet stress test shows that the kitsune aren't really clear on how the various races in the area fight. At the very least, sparring against the player and their companions would give her practical experience and let her train against someone who who fights in a wildly different way than she's used. Just because the forest she lives in is mostly safe once she moves there, doesn't mean it always will be. And I'm not talking about Raphael. Kasyrra could easily fly back there and mess around with everything again. Excessive Weebery and studying the blade can only get you so far, as I've already showed Nakano of all people.
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