Use the rack at the gym.
Also, even if you lose thickness (to reiterate, though: you shouldn't lose thickness with the rack), you can get it back very easily with the Pupperidge food.
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Also, even if you lose thickness (to reiterate, though: you shouldn't lose thickness with the rack), you can get it back very easily with the Pupperidge food.
like most of life's problems, this one is solved via bacon.
So something I have noticed and I am wondering if I am just bad at leveling my character. Why do my Companions have better ability scores than the Champion? By level 5 I have been getting at best a 15 in my main Abilities unless I want to power game by dumping all my creation choices into one stat (Orc, Fighter, Barbarian = +3 Toughness) but when I compare to my companions, I notice many have an 18 in one of theirs. I can understand that your character is not meant to be a godlike character who can smack down gods and demons with a wave of their hand but having worse scores than your companions does feel like you can't really measure up to your title of "Champion".
Your companions also have starting bonuses from class/race/background. They also have a few extra miscellaneous stat points. This is mostly a relic from when you couldn't control them manually; they had slightly higher stats as a handicap for them being AI controlled.
It was the Misc stats that always threw me off as I was accounting for their C/R/B bonuses.
First of all, I would like to say that I think CoC2 is a huge improvement over CoC1 as a game in many significant ways. The character portraits, the general aesthetics of the GUI, the exploration, the questing, the combat, etc etc are all significantly improved in meaningful ways. Pretty much every aspect of the game on a technical and presentation side are better. Second of all, I haven't found all the content in the game, and there seem to be enough branching paths in quests that it's likely I'm missing some key details, which not even double-checking on the wiki will help me discover. So it's possibly my complaint here is actually unfounded, though it doesn't feel like it. Third of all, I replayed CoC1 for the sake of this post, but it's impossible to deny the possibility that I was nevertheless looking at it with enough bias that I was giving it too much credit.
Okay. With that preamble out of the way, my gripe with CoC2: I think the "Corruption" in the title is entirely vestigial and no longer reflects the content of the game. CoC2 feels less like the Corruption of Champions, and much more like Horndog Champions.
For context, the kind of character I like to play is a girl who gets corrupted from pure to slutty. I also like to see other girls get corrupted from pure to slutty. Men going from pure to slutty I appreciate on an intellectual level. In general I like H content that leans towards non-consensual, and I think corruption really needs this tone of non-consensuality to feel like corruption - there needs to be at least *some* internal conflict, or the character isn't being corrupted at all, they're just embracing their already slutty nature. It would follow that a game called "Corruption of Champions" would be my exact kind of shit: start out as a pure champion, get corrupted into a slutty champion. And in CoC1 this was indeed the case. I think CoC1 really captrued the vibe of a world corrupted by demons well, with cities like Tel'Adre existing specifically to fight off sexual corruption, and "party members" like Jojo who are pure-hearted and have to be quite forcibly corrupted before they fall to sexual depravity. There's characters like Kent early on, who wear the player down into being submissive. There's Marae the goddess who is fighting against the corruption. etc etc. The game really does feel like a pure champion facing a corrupted world, and risking corruption themselves. Pure being turned into corrupted beings. Etc.
CoC2, I feel, does not capture this feeling at all. I've been playing for about 20 hours and my character (thicc, pure female) is still a virgin because I haven't encountered a single scenario that felt like corruption to me. It feels like the tone of the game has completely abandoned the concept of corruption, despite the plot of the game being a demon from CoC1 land corrupting a previously untainted world. It seems much, much, much more to me that the "intended" way to play the game is entirely in opposition of how I want to play, and the kind of content I want to see. I could be misreading the situation, but it feels like the developers/writers (no offense intended btw) are much more into consensual sex and everyone being excitedly slutty from the start. It feels like the intended way to play is to just play as a chad (or chadette) and go on a murder path while fucking everything that moves, no corruption involved whatsoever. Everyone is willing from the start and everyone has deeply embraced sex in their lives.
Let me explain. Your first companion in CoC2 is Cait. Let me say that I like Cait, she's a nice character and she's very attractive. However, she worships a sex god, and she is basically itching to have sex at all times. The second companion you meet is Brint, a minotaur who is always ready to have sex. They're so into sex that they start fucking behind your back unprompted, and sex is so normalized that it's not even something they mention unless you ask. I haven't fullcomped every companion tree but so far it seems this is a trend that continues for every companion - they already love sex, they have sex with little to no prompting, and basically, they're horndogs. It doesn't feel at all like you're in a world fighting against an invasion of sexed up demons, resisting getting corrupting. It feels like you're in a world that had embraced rampant free love from the start. It feels like there's just a binary option presented to the player which is "engage in the sexual debauchery that literally everyone already is" or "don't". CoC1 had Tel'Adre, a city forced to hide itself with magic in a desert to avoid all the sexed-up horndogs outside it. In CoC2, that idea would be ridiculous, because every single person is already a sexed-up horndog. The corrupted enemies like the bees in the forest just feel like standard affair, not out of the norm for this world at all.
I don't mean to phrase this as an objectively bad thing or a flaw. I think the writers/developers are writing what they like, and I think a lot of people like what they like, so it's fine. I just felt increasingly sad as I played CoC2. Like I said, I've played 20 hours and my character is still a virgin. I've experimentally saved/loaded to check out some H-scenes, and they're all uber consensual without a trace of corruption or anything. It feels like the game is meant to be played as a male or futa, winning every battle and then claiming your spoils by fucking them. Companions aren't pure beings you can corrupt for fun, they're just horndogs who are always up for casual sex with nothing more to it than that. The Champion is not getting corrupted in CoC2. The world isn't even getting corrupted in CoC2. It's just a horndog going on a horndog quest to fuck a lot of bitches. That's fine. Everyone likes fucking hot bitches. If there's a problem, it's just that the word corruption is still in the title, and people who played CoC1 like me might be disappointed.
~fin
As an aside, I would like to briefly discuss gender disparity. The fact that the vast majority of NPCs are girls/futas instead of men show the implicit bias the authors have for male-orientated sex (that is, sex involving the banging of girls). It seems to me that the dream world of the developers is every single person in the world being a big-titted futa engaging in a massive orgy with no gender barriers whatsoever. This is not a problem, and I support their dreams. However, in terms of CoC2's content being balanced for various genders, and in terms of comparing to CoC1, I don't necessarily think it's a universally good thing. Like I said, I like female characters being corrupted by male characters the most, so there's almost nothing in this game that I can truly bring myself to love. I have to settle for futas, and the vast majority of men in the game (that I encountered, to be clear!) only engage in consensual sex. No corruption. Like sure, Brint and Garret are alright dudes, I've got no intention of saying there's no FxM content out there. But it really does not fit the theme of corruption whatsoever. You just have to go to the bar/camp and ask for casual sex. So the little FxM content available is pretty unremarkable in my opinion. It's fine that the devs like futas so much more than men, but it's a little overwhelming at times. I can't believe that there's a character like Hirrud, basically this game's Kent, and there's no H with him at all (did I just miss it in the quest somehow??). Maybe this is a problem(?) that will be solved with time, but the preferences of the developers seem pretty clear, so I expect this trend to continue. Which won't be a problem for everyone, but it certainly makes me disappointed, on top of already being disappointed by the lack of corruption.
Also, as one *final* aside, I will certainly play the complete game of CoC2. I think the lore is genuinely well-written and the quests have enough roleplaying to be satisfying. However, I will almost certainly remain a virgin until the end of the game, not due to intentionally trying to do a virgin run, but just because I expect to encounter zero content I find sexually appealing. It's a good game outside of that. (Er, well, I guess you can trivialize most encounters in the game by opening up with double cleave, but 99% of JRPGs have trivially easy combat systems so I can't really hold it against CoC2).
Okay. With that preamble out of the way, my gripe with CoC2: I think the "Corruption" in the title is entirely vestigial and no longer reflects the content of the game. CoC2 feels less like the Corruption of Champions, and much more like Horndog Champions.
For context, the kind of character I like to play is a girl who gets corrupted from pure to slutty. I also like to see other girls get corrupted from pure to slutty. Men going from pure to slutty I appreciate on an intellectual level. In general I like H content that leans towards non-consensual, and I think corruption really needs this tone of non-consensuality to feel like corruption - there needs to be at least *some* internal conflict, or the character isn't being corrupted at all, they're just embracing their already slutty nature. It would follow that a game called "Corruption of Champions" would be my exact kind of shit: start out as a pure champion, get corrupted into a slutty champion. And in CoC1 this was indeed the case. I think CoC1 really captrued the vibe of a world corrupted by demons well, with cities like Tel'Adre existing specifically to fight off sexual corruption, and "party members" like Jojo who are pure-hearted and have to be quite forcibly corrupted before they fall to sexual depravity. There's characters like Kent early on, who wear the player down into being submissive. There's Marae the goddess who is fighting against the corruption. etc etc. The game really does feel like a pure champion facing a corrupted world, and risking corruption themselves. Pure being turned into corrupted beings. Etc.
CoC2, I feel, does not capture this feeling at all. I've been playing for about 20 hours and my character (thicc, pure female) is still a virgin because I haven't encountered a single scenario that felt like corruption to me. It feels like the tone of the game has completely abandoned the concept of corruption, despite the plot of the game being a demon from CoC1 land corrupting a previously untainted world. It seems much, much, much more to me that the "intended" way to play the game is entirely in opposition of how I want to play, and the kind of content I want to see. I could be misreading the situation, but it feels like the developers/writers (no offense intended btw) are much more into consensual sex and everyone being excitedly slutty from the start. It feels like the intended way to play is to just play as a chad (or chadette) and go on a murder path while fucking everything that moves, no corruption involved whatsoever. Everyone is willing from the start and everyone has deeply embraced sex in their lives.
Let me explain. Your first companion in CoC2 is Cait. Let me say that I like Cait, she's a nice character and she's very attractive. However, she worships a sex god, and she is basically itching to have sex at all times. The second companion you meet is Brint, a minotaur who is always ready to have sex. They're so into sex that they start fucking behind your back unprompted, and sex is so normalized that it's not even something they mention unless you ask. I haven't fullcomped every companion tree but so far it seems this is a trend that continues for every companion - they already love sex, they have sex with little to no prompting, and basically, they're horndogs. It doesn't feel at all like you're in a world fighting against an invasion of sexed up demons, resisting getting corrupting. It feels like you're in a world that had embraced rampant free love from the start. It feels like there's just a binary option presented to the player which is "engage in the sexual debauchery that literally everyone already is" or "don't". CoC1 had Tel'Adre, a city forced to hide itself with magic in a desert to avoid all the sexed-up horndogs outside it. In CoC2, that idea would be ridiculous, because every single person is already a sexed-up horndog. The corrupted enemies like the bees in the forest just feel like standard affair, not out of the norm for this world at all.
I don't mean to phrase this as an objectively bad thing or a flaw. I think the writers/developers are writing what they like, and I think a lot of people like what they like, so it's fine. I just felt increasingly sad as I played CoC2. Like I said, I've played 20 hours and my character is still a virgin. I've experimentally saved/loaded to check out some H-scenes, and they're all uber consensual without a trace of corruption or anything. It feels like the game is meant to be played as a male or futa, winning every battle and then claiming your spoils by fucking them. Companions aren't pure beings you can corrupt for fun, they're just horndogs who are always up for casual sex with nothing more to it than that. The Champion is not getting corrupted in CoC2. The world isn't even getting corrupted in CoC2. It's just a horndog going on a horndog quest to fuck a lot of bitches. That's fine. Everyone likes fucking hot bitches. If there's a problem, it's just that the word corruption is still in the title, and people who played CoC1 like me might be disappointed.
~fin
As an aside, I would like to briefly discuss gender disparity. The fact that the vast majority of NPCs are girls/futas instead of men show the implicit bias the authors have for male-orientated sex (that is, sex involving the banging of girls). It seems to me that the dream world of the developers is every single person in the world being a big-titted futa engaging in a massive orgy with no gender barriers whatsoever. This is not a problem, and I support their dreams. However, in terms of CoC2's content being balanced for various genders, and in terms of comparing to CoC1, I don't necessarily think it's a universally good thing. Like I said, I like female characters being corrupted by male characters the most, so there's almost nothing in this game that I can truly bring myself to love. I have to settle for futas, and the vast majority of men in the game (that I encountered, to be clear!) only engage in consensual sex. No corruption. Like sure, Brint and Garret are alright dudes, I've got no intention of saying there's no FxM content out there. But it really does not fit the theme of corruption whatsoever. You just have to go to the bar/camp and ask for casual sex. So the little FxM content available is pretty unremarkable in my opinion. It's fine that the devs like futas so much more than men, but it's a little overwhelming at times. I can't believe that there's a character like Hirrud, basically this game's Kent, and there's no H with him at all (did I just miss it in the quest somehow??). Maybe this is a problem(?) that will be solved with time, but the preferences of the developers seem pretty clear, so I expect this trend to continue. Which won't be a problem for everyone, but it certainly makes me disappointed, on top of already being disappointed by the lack of corruption.
Also, as one *final* aside, I will certainly play the complete game of CoC2. I think the lore is genuinely well-written and the quests have enough roleplaying to be satisfying. However, I will almost certainly remain a virgin until the end of the game, not due to intentionally trying to do a virgin run, but just because I expect to encounter zero content I find sexually appealing. It's a good game outside of that. (Er, well, I guess you can trivialize most encounters in the game by opening up with double cleave, but 99% of JRPGs have trivially easy combat systems so I can't really hold it against CoC2).
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Corruption isn't about being a horndog, it's more about being concerned with doing what you want regardless of the effects on others. It's also not an established part of Savarra like it was for Mareth, so CoC2's content is naturally going to be lighter than CoC's because of that. The Dark Knight personality seems to be the closest CoC2 has to what you're looking for; getting that requires reaching 75 Corruption, and you're almost certainly going to have to have sex with corrupted beings in order to do so (since that's the most common way to gain Corruption).
Also, I don't think you'll ever find hard non-consent in CoC2 (or TiTS); the closest would be soft non-consent from losing battles.
I think corruption can pretty firmly be established as a transition from one state to another state. A demon doing whatever it wants regardless of its effect on others is just being evil/selfish/etc. It's not necessarily corrupted. A benevolent angel being turned into a demon that does all that *is* corruption, because it's a transition from one state to another. A selfish individual doing what they want without concern for others is just a bad person doing bad things, it's not reflective of corruption. A horndog going on a fuck quest with no holds barred is not reflective of corruption, it's reflective of a horny person doing horny things. I'm not trying to be a puritan or gatekeeper here, these are just objectively different things. A Champion unsheathing their (potentially futa) dick and going on a sex quest is fine, good roleplaying at times, yada yada, but it's just got nothing to do with corruption.
Also, I feel like I kind of gave off the wrong idea, so let me clarify. What I'm asking for here isn't explicitly a lot of hard non-consent (i.e. hard rape). The reason I bring up consensuality / non-consensuality is because if someone is fully eager to engage in the dicking, they aren't being corrupted. Corruption implies going from one state to another, and generally this will be against your will - a pure angel won't tend to want to be turned into an evil sex demon, so there will be resistance there. Non-consensuality. Corruption doesn't have to be hard rape, but there's generally always a thread of unwillingness being overcomed by desire.
The Champion, Cait, Brint, etc all jumping at the chance to have sex at the drop of a hat means that there is no sexual corruption which can occur in the game. There can be some moral corruption (and hopefully at some point there will be a way to turn Cait into Demon Cait or something, just for fun) but in terms of sexuality, they're already at the lewd end-state from the start. There's no sexual corruption that can occur. There's always a binary switch between flatly refusing sex, or whole-heartedly engaging it in. There's no middle ground, no slow corruption from one end to the other. You're either fucking Cait or you're not. You're either fucking Brint or you're not. The scene's are opt-in with no weight beyond the sex as it happens. I'm not complaining about consensual sex with Brint/Garret because I dislike consensual sex, I'm complaining in the sense that by having nothing but flat consensual and optional sex, there's no corruption. No going from one state to the other. No moral/sexual degradation. Non-consensuality is (often!) important in corruption because "non-consensual" to "consensual" is a very easy corruptive arc to express. Non-consent establishes the pure state of refusing sex, consent establishes the now corrupted state of accepting sex. In a way it's kind of a crutch in how easy it is, but we can see that without it, the game lacks any corruption at all.
Well, perhaps "lacks any corruption at all" is an overstatement. It seems that the lack of sexual corruption has been largely masked over by physical corruption - body changing, that is. Maybe that's what people wanted all along? The corrupted monsters are nice too, but they feel less like "corrupted beings" and more like the dev giving themselves an excuse to draw/write super thicc and pervy girls. Which is fine, but for this to really hold weight, I think we would need to see the corruption happen firsthand (perhaps cause it) like Marae from CoC1. There needs to be a clear and direct process. If all we're shown is the end-state, and the end-state is just thicc and pervy girls, it comes off as less "corruption" and more just "this game has girls with huge tits and dicks". I think if you removed "Corruption" from the title and named the game Sex Champion's Adventurers in Thiccland it wouldn't seem out of place at all. That said, maybe I've missed stuff like this.
I guess I'll say that since sexual corruption is my main fetish I've spent most of my life deeply invested in consuming media about it, so I'm probably more sensitive to this issue than most. The lack of it in CoC2 sticks out more to me than most, and maybe people don't even want actual corruption (or even understand what it is really is). CoC1 did it pretty well at times which is why I had high hopes for CoC2, and why the complete change in direction is so disappointing to me. Maybe I wouldn't have even written this post if Corruption wasn't in the title of the game. Oh well.
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Hell yeah brother.
Ah, Tel'adre. That glorious bastion of sexual purity... with Urta, Edryn, Dominika, Rubi, Kathrine et al in it...
That city which has a minotaur baker who cums into his eclairs before serving them up to the public...
That shining city upon the hill that has a cum-sucking, impregnating dildo machine out in the open right smack in the middle of the gym and the membership is all busy boning each other in the showers.
That Tel'adre?
We've had some bad cases of nostalgia goggles before, but this is pretty high up.
I do wish there were more corruptive actions in the game even if those actions only give a +1 or +2 to Purity/Corruption. In the same manner, I wish there were more purity options as well giving the dialogue options and game choices more weight. Like the Quest to save The Loggers from Hrenthia. I would love the fact you settled the manner peacefully with no fighting shows your characters purity while fighting her may be a sign of slight moral corruption and if you defeat her you could add a sex scene that adds more corruption, let her go for no +/- to corruptuon, or after freeing the loggers having a talk with her to gain some Purity (that may offset the corruption you gained from attacking, sounds pointless but it shows a measure to your actions). Maybe that is too much work haha considering the creators would have to measure practically every choice they create.
Sounds like an Oasis of White in the Dark Desert of Rape... fucking Sand Traps I hate them with a Passion.
Tease, if you start to fall into the pit, use wait (which actually makes you climb up lol) then tease some more. Or use long range attacks.
Woah woah, I didn't mean to imply the city was successful or pure. The important thing about it was what it symbolically stood for, and its *failure* to uphold the values is exactly where the corruption lies. It's thesis and antithesis. Tel'Adre attempted to be the thesis of purity, but ends up largely becoming the antithesis to its own values - it's within this dichotomy and struggle where the corruption is born. If there is no Tel'Aldre to be hypocritical and fall, there's no yin to the yang, no purity from which to be corrupted. Which brings us to CoC2. In CoC2, I say that there would be no such thing as Tel'Adre, not in the sense that "There is no shining city of purity that upholds strict morals!", but in the sense that the world is written such that the idea of purity is laughable to begin with. Everyone in the world is already sex-obsessed. There is no thesis to form an antithesis against. There's no yin to contrast with the yang. Nothing like Tel'Adre (a supposed bastion of purity fighting against sexual corruption, hypocritical thought it was) can exist, because in reality there's no sexual corruption going on: everyone's already an extreme pervert. That's my point, not that Tel'Adre was successful.
Also, just to clarify, I definitely am not intending to dunk on CoC2 here. I know I'm coming off as criticizing the game here or calling it worse than CoC1 or something, but that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm purely just stating my own issues with it in this gripe thread, partly because I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way, partly because I was wondering if it was even a conscious thing on the writer's side. As mentioned, I fully support the futa-dream, and I think CoC2 in its current state is a pretty solid game which many people do indeed like. I read all the lore pages, even! It's just a departure from what I liked most in CoC1. (Which, to say again, I did actually play before making this post to try and be unbiased). It's really just the kind of unfortunate thing about making sequels, I guess, where even if your design philosophy and interests change, the baggage the last game and its players will remain, with even the title of the game (Corruption of Champions) moreso reflecting CoC1's goals than CoC2's goals. If this weren't a sequel, I wonder what the title would be? Well, maybe CoC again just to make the "CoCk" pun, but putting that aside. I think if the title were based purely on the content and design philosophy of CoC2, without hangover from CoC1, the word "corruption" wouldn't be in it.
You won't get your own character corrupted against your will (though playing as a strict virgin within the setting is rather odd). Rather, corruption is often your character giving in to choices that may be corrupt. But, the one choosing to have them "give in" to such urges is you. Nobody is going to come and forcefully fuck you with demon cum, unless you loose a fight (because if you do loose a fight, you usually get raped). You don't get a Kelt of your own, extorting you and slowly twisting you.
That said, if you want corrupting content, you could try Etheryn. She doesn't really want to fuck, it seems, she just accepts that she has to because of her physiology. And, if you have a cock more than 13 inches long when doing the assfuck, the game forces you to fuck her "monstrously" in which you can't fit and you basically just her her ass for herself. It's perhaps not the must corruptive of scenes, but it's still enough that I absolutely despise that it forces the player into doing a corrupting fuck (in that increases the player's corruption to do it) if you approach her for anal with a dick any larger than 13 inches. And supposedly there's a system for training her ass to take larger cocks but if there is I've never seen it in effect. And the baseline limit is 12 inches, so it's not like that really matters if you want a big-dicked PC who fucks Etheryn and isn't corrupt, because you'll still be limited to just 12 inches by and large. Sorry, I've hijacked your gripe for one that I have been complaining about for ages and I'm still stuck up about it.
Anyways, there's not really all that many futas? Like, there's several, but the way you talked about it made it sound like the majority of the NPCs are futas, which I'm fairly certain is not the case. Like, having your pc be futa is optimal, but most characters I've seen have either been strictly male or female. Though in regards to the majority engaging in consensual sex, yeah. Most do. Most of all of the NPCs are consensual to fuck, because the world isn't really all that corrupt, despite the presence of corrupt enemies. That's pretty much the backbone of why you complained, because the world is currently in the early stages of being corrupted. Your PC isn't going to likely get corrupted by interacting with the residents of the world, because, unlike Mareth, what you're fighting to do is prevent corruption from happening, rather than overthrowing the one who initially did the corruption.
Corruption is a... weird system in on itself as it only exists with Demonic magic. Most Orc's act exactly like Demons but they are not corrupted because Kassyra didn't touch them (bit weird, she would have gotten an instant army of Demons from those dicks.) Sex in itself is not a Corruptive influence in the CoC2 setting, it is only when one acts on selfish desires in the presence of Demonic energy as it is Selfish desires that feed Demonic energy and allows it to grow and this allows people to be willingly Corrupted. The PC can be Corrupted without a Demon nearby because they are Saturated in Demonic energy from the Portal explosion. The reason people in the CoC1 universe could be corrupted without demons fucking them is that their entire realm is saturated in the Demonic Energy, so just like the CoC2 protag, they can be corrupted by just living like Hedonists.
like yourself, I tried to make an Innocent character who would be corrupted as time went on but at this point, it doesn't really work unless you create a reason. I am hoping with the inclusion of certain characters at the Wayfort that corruption will become a more accessible path that could give your character a reason to fall in-game as by this time Corruption is pretty much a Player-driven choice over a Character-driven choice.
Sex on Savarra is just another way for their people to express themselves, whether it be Love, Friendship or power.
Edit: I may have just been talking out my arse, but it's what I have been able to gather from playing the 2 games.
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To expand on these particular talking points: if any game has a lot of futas/dickgirls, it's most definitely TITS tbh. and, hell, in all three games — COC1, TITS, and COC2 — it isn't like pure female characters are a minority so there's plenty for the non-futa fans that are into chicks to enjoy as well. The real minority — as the OP of this discussion mentioned — are the men characters (whether they'd be pure male, male herms, or cuntboys) and there's a major reason for that (that reason being is that most of the writers as well as a good chunk of the playerbase prefer to see busty futas). I like me some futas/dickgirls in my hentai games so I'm not complaining by any means. That being said, I do appreciate what few male characters there are in these games and wouldn't mind seeing more in the future (especially with a little more variety). Special shout-out to Wsan btw for writing one of THE best (if not THE best) husbandos of all time, Brint !!
Anyways, to address the second talking point, I agree with Tide Hunter tbh. The key difference between COC1 and COC2 is that, in the former, you're fighting to find a cure for a contagious "disease" (if you will) while, in the later, you're working on preventative measures to ensure that a new strand of the disease does not spread. Basically, you're the champion of an already corrupted land or land in danger of becoming corrupted respectively.
I don't think that this is quite it.
Ryn likes to fuck, even when she's not the one getting off (to wit: blowjob and eating out scenes). Regardless of her Confidence and Libido levels, she loves making somebody she cares about happy, and that absolutely means sex. She's super shy about sex at low Confidence and low Libido, but that's because she's been broken down by her sister's torture, not because she doesn't like it.
You can definitely read Libido as her "corruption" stat, especially if you keep her at low Confidence, because low-Con high-Lib Ryn is basically a turbosub buttslut with zero self-esteem. But high-Con, high-Libido Ryn isn't so much corrupt as switchy; she loves to get fucked, but she knows what she wants, too, has the self-confidence to do it well, and at least some measure of self-control and independence.
You're absolutely correct. Purefem vastly outnumbers futa, even if you throw in dickgirls. (Disclaimer: this list does not account for content not currently in game.) Allow me to provide at least some measure of factual evidence to bolster the claim.
Take futa/DG characters. We've got Arona, Jael'yn, Evelyn, Anna, Morwen, Hashat, Orlaith, that bitch Evergreen, Meira, the Unnamed Frost Pupper, Fritte, aaaaand...that's the end of the list for repeatable content. Then there's Kasyrra, who is obviously very important but has no repeatable scenes. There's Ryn, who can't use her dongus. So call it 11+2. And then there are a few enemies that you can fuck post-combat like the Manticore. the Marefolk Shaman, and Eryka, and there are one-time deals like Naiyana, and there are edge cases like the two driders and the gnoll pack, but by and large...not a whole lot of futas and DGs in this game.
(edit: missed Syrish, so 12+2)
Then there's the purefem list. If you're looking for purefems with sex, well, there's Cait, Brienne, Atugia, Kiyoko, Azyrran, Gwyn, Leorah, Shar, Clementine, Merielle, Janeen, Lusamine, Ragnild, Hretha, Grettel, Selima, Calill, Yset, Ria, Grainne, Doireann, Nyzerrah, Farrah, Hatsu, Kohaku, Kurako, Rindo, Miko, Mai, Hethia, Elthara, Atani, Ahmri, Eubicha, Gianna, Tamarind, Zuzaan, Gloria, and Lucia, all 38 of whom are dtf the Champion without combat. And you can keep going with purefem characters through combat, corruption, or Bad Ends, like Lusina, Liaden, Jen, Genova, Byvernia, Gytha, Infrith, Zhara, the Cultist Evangelist, that bitch Alissa (on second thought, Kas might just keep the Champion for herself in that scene)...I'm not even going to bother finishing this list given how lopsided it already is.
I'm pretty sure I missed one or two there (edit: Vari, Viviane, and Liresh, and prob more), but I don't think that changes the proportions at all.
Sure, not all characters are created equal. But, as far as I'm aware, the single largest amount of content for a character belongs to Kiyoko, who is the purefem par excellence. In fact, all floof women currently in-game are purefem, which, given the heavily fleshed out nature of their writing, skews the quality argument even further. (Sure, Kiyoko and the floofs are all totally avoidable. But they also have the largest and loudest fanbase in the game, present on Steam, Patreon, the forums, and Discord.) In fact, it took until this summer to get Arona, our first actual futa companion who uses her dick, into the party. Our first futa side character with a large number of repeatable sex scenes was Oxana, who didn't show up until late last September, over a year into release. And yeah, obviously, there's Kas, who is the game's mascot and current primary antagonist, but she has zero repeatable content and what she does have has been drip-fed.
People can think whatever they want about futa/DG characters, about the ideal proportion of futas compared to purefems, or whatever. Personal preference is what it is. But purefem characters objectively outnumber futas to a very large degree. The "everybody's a futa" meme is totally baseless.
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In retrospect I did overstate the amount of futas, sorry. I think random events with recurring futas (e.g. the elf troupe in the woods) biased me, as well as having a dickgirl companion on my team. I also did background research before posting and found many people discussing the amount of futa content in a negative light which colored my perception. My apologies for being misrepresentative - it wasn't my main point, though, so hopefully it doesn't distract too much. I've modified the post a bit to be more accurate.
Well to be fair Tobs, the Tel'adre bit of his post isn't even the point he's trying to make, nor does proving this bit false address anything else about his issue
Like the whole futa issue that Alypia just pointed out, the point is that the poster in question is making arguments from a largely fictional view of the game that only exists in their head via nostalgia goggles. Tel'adre didn't come together to fight the evils of sex and horniness, they came together as refugees because they didn't want to be enslaved by Lethice and her demons; it was the last city in Mareth where the remaining non-demonic mages could effectively shield them from the demons' sight. There is absolutely nothing in vanilla CoC1 (IDK what lore fuckery modders may have added) to support the idea that the city was ever meant to be a bastion of chastity and virtue to begin with; it was literally a place where survivors gathered, and no one was tested for their libido upon entering the city, but rather the mages' spells tested for demonic corruption.
That puts the whole argument of CoC1 representing libido = corruption on its head, especially when numerous people like the bee-girl, loppe and her mother, Minerva, are all sex-positive and are implied through their associated items (pure honey, pure peach, etc) or outright described as being pure; you openly catch Arian jacking off to you and yet he can treat your corruption. Numerous characters that are described as being pure/having been purified like Sheila and the fairy you can rescue still want to fuck after the fact; they don't suddenly become prudes once cleansed. Hell, both the sand witches and to a lesser extent the harpy queen are all about the fucking from day one in a bid to breed their own armies, and they're portrayed as being pure (more ambiguously so, in the latter case) forces against the demons.
It's basically Marble's whole "anal is evil" schtick all over again, slightly repackaged.
From word of god, corruption in CoC1 was primarily about physical corruption and the changing of your body, which is why you can never revert to being human after you transform away, and why transformations take centerstage.
I've seen smoothbrains in other places equivocating the Mallachite faith with Tollus' demon cult because they both like to fuck, so they're equally corrupt; you can imagine what I think of that take. The definition of corruption that our game has been using since day one is present in the writer's guide and is no secret.
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That's weird, sounds like a lot of repressed prudes who think sex is sin. Pardon my use of Pathfinder lore but Equating Mallachite Church and The Demon cult is like Comparing Arshea with Socothbenoth.
Soooo, after reading all this comments back and forth, I have enough knowledge on this matter to draw the following conclussion: appartenly there's room to add more futas.
Wittgenstein once said that all problems of philosophy are problems of language, and I see that there is a problem of language occurring here. The limits of our language are the limits of our world, and my internal conception of "corruption" heavily painted my interpretation of Tel'Aldre; that is, all the lewdness within it can be seen as "a failing of their moral code" as inflicted by external corruption. Let's state a list of facts, while keeping in mind that there are two different understandings of the word "corruption" being used by different people.
1) Demonic corruption is tainting the land in CoC1.
2) The demons are altering beings to be more sexually depraved in appearance and behavior
3) There exists Tel'Aldre, a town that tests for corruption on entry, and is hiding from the demonic corruption (which is associated with sexually depraved appearance/behavior due to the above).
4) There are references within the town to the demon invasion making the inhabitants more sexually open/etc ( example: https://i.imgur.com/qaeWAEu.jpg )
With all this in mind, I think it's hard to deny that presentation of the game strongly suggest that Tel'Aldre having being presented as an opposition force to sexually depraved appearances/behavior that's being worn down over time, even if this is not intended to be the case. I think it would be really hard, to the point of requiring significant mental effort, to *not* immediately associate Tel'Aldre with purity and the sexual antics within as the fault of the demonic corruption. Well, I don't mean to make excuses and uselessly struggle against the truth, I'm just trying to express that I think what led to my position is fairly reasonable. Even if Tel'Aldre was intended to be an uber slutty town from the get-go, the presentation does not really convey this very clearly, with there being plenty of room for misunderstanding.
And it's this room for misunderstanding which can pose an interesting conclusion: It doesn't necessarily matter what a place actually "is", if the perspective of what it is can alter how one interprets it. The same identical 1:1 events in Tel'Aldre can be significantly different experiences based on your perspective of the city, regardless of what the city is "actually" intended to be. The events in Tel'Aldre and its role in the greater setting can fairly significantly convey a feeling of corruption (my definition: sexual degradation over time, process, non-consensual kind of thing, etc).
With this in mind, I might posit something funny. Maybe it's not that CoC2 has different goals, but that with greater maturity the developers have gotten better at expressing what they wanted to express all along, so what used to trick people into thinking there was corruption and paint their perception such that the corruption came to exist in a real sense, is now completely absent. The setting is conveyed with greater clarity, and thanks to some key differences (a pure world being corrupted vs entering an already largely corrupted world) the perception of everything is completely different from before the first H-scene ever begins.
So, in conclusion. I would reject the statement that my understanding of CoC1 is "a largely fictional view of the game that only exists in (my) head via nostalgia goggles." (I particularly object to 'nostalgia goggles' because I replayed the game for this purpose! At least say rose-tinted glasses or something). The easily misinterpreted presentation of the game make it not such a clear-cut issue, and if the text is written in such a way that it's consistently misinterpreted in one way, then one has to accept it as a part of that game, regardless of what Word of God intended for it to be - the concept of la mort de l'auteur was thought up entirely for situations such as this. I think that CoC1 is not a tightly controlled game that has a carefully preserved worldview; there's plenty of things that contribute to one understanding of the world vs the other, and I would be pretty surprised if the average reader derived that "corruption" was intended to specifically refer to physical corruption. You can criticize people for not being perfect beings of pure rationality, but that's just looking away from reality, the real experiences and valid interpretations of, dare I say it, a work of art.
Edit: With all this said, given that the developer's conception of "corruption" purely refers to physical attributes, I do have to retract some of my previous statements. Perhaps all of the corruption (my definition) that I enjoyed in CoC1 was all incidental and not actually intended by the core developers. With this in mind it's a bit harder to take issue with CoC2 "abandoning" it as it were, and I think it will be easier for me to accept CoC2 as it is.
1) Demonic corruption is tainting the land in CoC1.
2) The demons are altering beings to be more sexually depraved in appearance and behavior
3) There exists Tel'Aldre, a town that tests for corruption on entry, and is hiding from the demonic corruption (which is associated with sexually depraved appearance/behavior due to the above).
4) There are references within the town to the demon invasion making the inhabitants more sexually open/etc ( example: https://i.imgur.com/qaeWAEu.jpg )
With all this in mind, I think it's hard to deny that presentation of the game strongly suggest that Tel'Aldre having being presented as an opposition force to sexually depraved appearances/behavior that's being worn down over time, even if this is not intended to be the case. I think it would be really hard, to the point of requiring significant mental effort, to *not* immediately associate Tel'Aldre with purity and the sexual antics within as the fault of the demonic corruption. Well, I don't mean to make excuses and uselessly struggle against the truth, I'm just trying to express that I think what led to my position is fairly reasonable. Even if Tel'Aldre was intended to be an uber slutty town from the get-go, the presentation does not really convey this very clearly, with there being plenty of room for misunderstanding.
And it's this room for misunderstanding which can pose an interesting conclusion: It doesn't necessarily matter what a place actually "is", if the perspective of what it is can alter how one interprets it. The same identical 1:1 events in Tel'Aldre can be significantly different experiences based on your perspective of the city, regardless of what the city is "actually" intended to be. The events in Tel'Aldre and its role in the greater setting can fairly significantly convey a feeling of corruption (my definition: sexual degradation over time, process, non-consensual kind of thing, etc).
With this in mind, I might posit something funny. Maybe it's not that CoC2 has different goals, but that with greater maturity the developers have gotten better at expressing what they wanted to express all along, so what used to trick people into thinking there was corruption and paint their perception such that the corruption came to exist in a real sense, is now completely absent. The setting is conveyed with greater clarity, and thanks to some key differences (a pure world being corrupted vs entering an already largely corrupted world) the perception of everything is completely different from before the first H-scene ever begins.
So, in conclusion. I would reject the statement that my understanding of CoC1 is "a largely fictional view of the game that only exists in (my) head via nostalgia goggles." (I particularly object to 'nostalgia goggles' because I replayed the game for this purpose! At least say rose-tinted glasses or something). The easily misinterpreted presentation of the game make it not such a clear-cut issue, and if the text is written in such a way that it's consistently misinterpreted in one way, then one has to accept it as a part of that game, regardless of what Word of God intended for it to be - the concept of la mort de l'auteur was thought up entirely for situations such as this. I think that CoC1 is not a tightly controlled game that has a carefully preserved worldview; there's plenty of things that contribute to one understanding of the world vs the other, and I would be pretty surprised if the average reader derived that "corruption" was intended to specifically refer to physical corruption. You can criticize people for not being perfect beings of pure rationality, but that's just looking away from reality, the real experiences and valid interpretations of, dare I say it, a work of art.
Edit: With all this said, given that the developer's conception of "corruption" purely refers to physical attributes, I do have to retract some of my previous statements. Perhaps all of the corruption (my definition) that I enjoyed in CoC1 was all incidental and not actually intended by the core developers. With this in mind it's a bit harder to take issue with CoC2 "abandoning" it as it were, and I think it will be easier for me to accept CoC2 as it is.
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I wonder where you read that
I don't think all the complaints are invalid (if we could go back in time I would definitely make an effort to introduce corruption content sooner -- as it is, it's coming out right about now) but the "all girls are futa" one just doesn't fly by any metric no matter what /v/ tells you. By volume or by headcount, regular women are by far the biggest population in the game.
Just call it "the death of the author", rather than using French in the middle of an English statement for a term which has a widely used English name.
I guess this could be the slight "pet-peeves" thread? I just started playing after a long while and I am liking the tutorial rework, but there are slight things that annoy me.
In the tutorial, there is this one line: "Tutorial: In addition to Health and Resolve, your character has a green Experience bar next to his or her Resolve meter, and a Threat Gem in the upper right corner of the character card."
Why not just say "(...) green Experience bar next to their Resolve meter (...)"
Also I don't like how the "Tutorial" parts of the text are not highlighted, in different color, underscored, in brackers or whatever. Anything as long as it separates them from the "canonical" story text.
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Another pet-peeve... After you "follow the light" in the "Space Pups" scene in the Forest, there does not seem to be any way to fight back. You will get probed no matter what. There should be a way to fight back even if you follow the light, or at least a way to say no. How could I even predict what would happen? (Unless there is some plot point I have completely missed, but so far I have not seen anything mentioning this at all, and this is an extremely-easy event to find on your first run).
Same with the Witch scenes in the forest. It is one of the many undodgeable sexual scenes for first-time players.
In the tutorial, there is this one line: "Tutorial: In addition to Health and Resolve, your character has a green Experience bar next to his or her Resolve meter, and a Threat Gem in the upper right corner of the character card."
Why not just say "(...) green Experience bar next to their Resolve meter (...)"
Also I don't like how the "Tutorial" parts of the text are not highlighted, in different color, underscored, in brackers or whatever. Anything as long as it separates them from the "canonical" story text.
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Another pet-peeve... After you "follow the light" in the "Space Pups" scene in the Forest, there does not seem to be any way to fight back. You will get probed no matter what. There should be a way to fight back even if you follow the light, or at least a way to say no. How could I even predict what would happen? (Unless there is some plot point I have completely missed, but so far I have not seen anything mentioning this at all, and this is an extremely-easy event to find on your first run).
Same with the Witch scenes in the forest. It is one of the many undodgeable sexual scenes for first-time players.
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The "follow the light" scene is an April Fool's joke. However, there is always(1) a way to avoid getting sexed. The way for you to "fight back" is...not follow the light.
If by "the witch [...] in the forest" you mean Viviane, she doesn't auto-fuck you in the waking world. She auto-fucks you in your dreams. But it's just a dream. There are a lot of smutty dreams in this game.
(1) = Except during HiveQuest, but that whole quest is optional, so. Also, it's a fun sex scene and hornet ladies are sweeties.
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