Honestly, I don't hate the Kitsune as much as some people obviously do. Not that I'd defend them on an in-universe level, but I appreciate the change of experience.
Your Gripes With CoC2
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I definitely like to at least head-canon that Kiyoko has some trauma/PTSD from being trapped in the orb for - from her perspective - probably millennia. Isolation is extremely bad for us, and despair is possibly even worse - after centuries of the orb lying under dust in that cave, she must have had no hope. Prisoners serving indeterminate sentences (yup, the UK has a small number of petty criminals serving prison sentences that have no max length - good job, UK justice system) have shown severe mental health issues from despair, up to an including developing schizophrenia and psychosis.
I would assume that the astral plane is healing any mental harm she takes, as well as physical, though I do feel like she has some mental health issues/trauma, though that might be more what I read into it than what Tobs intended. I think it would be lovely if her first scene, where you first encounter her in the Astral Plane, had her acting much more fearfully, much more like someone who has had zero contact with other people in centuries, like she has to push herself to answer the door, let you in, try and behave like a civilised creature. The abrupt way the encounter ends would then feel more fitting, and her having time to prepare herself before the next encounter could close that off.
Her most egregious moment for me, moreso even than Kinu's engagement, is when you first free her. They all come out of the orb and there's no acknowledgement from anyone of any distress the champ might feel finding they've missed ten years of their family's lives, just a flippant comment. Then Kiyoko waves you away, like, "You've served your purpose in getting me out; now you're an inconvenience." "Oh, are you still here?" I don't imagine that's what Tobs intended but it's how it comes across. An option to pass a couple of days helping you family settling into their home, or even a unique victory-sex scene with Kiyoko would go some way to amending this. And hey, might finally give a chance for just one lesbian scene with her if I complete the Kitsune dungeon with my ghostlight off.
Is there a specific scene you're referring to? I play a female champ, get a ghostlight almost exclusively for Kiyoko's sake, and haven't noticed anything really acknowledging that. I still remember when I first played through and her scenes regularly referred to my femchamp as her husband or Kinu's father, so it felt like provision for female champs in her scenes was barely an afterthought. While that's been fixed, I haven't noticed any further work in that direction.
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do you maybe have perks like buxom or milky? those usually prevent it, also maybe look at the tone meter? that usually does it for me
The sliders during character creation didn't make it clear on what body or face your character will have upon completion.
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? i dont gwt what you mean since wright at the end it gives you an appearance tab, where you see how your champ looks, every body part is elaborated on
Does your character have their gender set as male? Being/setting their gender as male means they will always have their chest described using pectorals, unless you give them boobs above like a B-cup.
Right now, only characters whose gender is female can have a "true" flat chest under their appearance.
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Honestly, while I like Kinu bc she can still be adorable, Kiyoko is just rendered meh to me( I don't appreciate how we are treated like some bumbling barbarian when we did the Matron's damn job, on top of helping around the den for no reason other than we want) But Rindo is actually perfect. Love that content, even if it feels a bit savior-ey at times.
Plus got a thing for face scars, but 95% the other stuff
Because she told you that was the route to marriage for her, and you did the exact thing she told you was effectively proposing to her.
We could ask for divorce or refuse her. Honor in combat has far more worth than her hand in marriage. Especially on my female saves where she is not much of a wife material.
With the Character Creation changes I harboured half a hope that the horrible body-size calculator (least favourite thing about this game I otherwise love) might have been updated. Alas, I have thickness 19, muscle tone 35, and am considered overweight. ::Sad ninja noises::
Guess I need to go to Fenraus and buy some wine to shrink my butt...
Guess I need to go to Fenraus and buy some wine to shrink my butt...
Which is particularly annoying, as Kiyoko says in one conversation you can have with her that Keros mostly likely willfully did that as part of "equivalent exchange"... which mind is itself bullshit, as as was gone over earlier in the quest line with Evergreen, trying to pull "equivalent exchange" without even telling the other party is just outright theft, and supposedly a big no no to Keros. Yet, of course, you can't even confront his hypocritical jack ass about said accusations.
Like on the whole, I like the kitsune, and underneath the cultural differences I don't really find them that cold to the player*, but that case in particular is rather annoying in your lack of any agency to even "have" an opinion. Like let me at least yell at the asshole. While it's also one of the things that just make me go "You know, I want to trust the Seven, but they make it REALLY hard some times.".
*Now everyone else in the world, including the rest of the players family? Totally(which your seemingly complete inability to even try to do anything about is itself kind of an issue.) But personally they seem to grow pretty fond and welcoming of the player. Hell, when Kinu gets attacked they all seem to take your side over her wanting to keep you out of it. They just basically tell you "We've got literally no idea where he is, because it ain't even in the game yet.". lol
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I wish I could fuck the foxman from Kinu's story. Such fun design.
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It's one thing to mouth off to God/the Gods when you don't know if they exist and something else entirely to do so when you know they do. One is venting frustration, the other is shouting, "Punch me in the face as hard as you can." Why would you want to do that?
There's just no way they're going to let you yell at God unless more than 80% or so of paying players are willing to suffer the consequences of God yelling back at you. Something tells me they're not.
I mean, it's possible Observer has a massive alienation fetish and that's why all the kitsune content emphasises treating us like a dirty foreigner. I don't know.
Well, since the current topic are everyone's favorite fox people, the latest update is relevant, I think
www.fenoxo.com
The scene for turning Kiyoko’s amulet over to Keros has been rewritten to be kinder to you, and now gives you the Control Rod. (By Tobs)
Curios what was exactly changed.
[Public | CoC2] The Fox and the Hound – Fenoxo's Blog
www.fenoxo.com
Curios what was exactly changed.
The Seven don't really seem the type to turn you into a pile of salt just for criticizing them. To the point doing so seems a pretty big part of their religion. While if Keros's whole "thing" is wanting to see how people react, it would be kinda silly for him to get indignant when said reaction is anger... also, we're talking about the gods you can basically just walk right up to and tell to bend over so you can fuck them... Also also, to my understanding he's not even technically physically "there" when you're talking to him, and so punching him is more likely just to hurt your hand then do literally anything to him.
To be honest, I don't think that's quite what they act towards you. Though there seems to me more then a bit of "we are such edgy tortured vampires, ain't we?" in their attitudes towards themselves.
Changed in the scene or in the sentiment that lead to this change?Well, since the current topic are everyone's favorite fox people, the latest update is relevant, I think
The scene for turning Kiyoko’s amulet over to Keros has been rewritten to be kinder to you, and now gives you the Control Rod. (By Tobs)[Public | CoC2] The Fox and the Hound – Fenoxo's Blog
Curios what was exactly changed.
For the scene, Keros acknowledges that you've had the time to make up your mind and respects your decision to not bed Kiyoko and rewards you for the work you did put in in giving her a new chance at life.
As for why it was changed after so long. It was me. I complained in discord about it and claim all credit for this change.
Now we just need Kiyoko lesbian expansion and she will immediately jump to top tier girl. Yuri babies!
I feel like the more and more unfinished content keeps piling up the more we should either remove it entirely or have an option to disable it in our games.
But I wanna heal the gnoll mage! Have you seen her in that corset?! We just need to crack the whip harder!
or have reasonable expectations on how long writing and implementing content takes (2+ years for huge shit) but that seems beyond many fellow forumites
I mean its not anyones fault. Certain writers come and go. But some encounters have been unfinished for years now, and new players will just keep asking when will it be done.
When the game's close to 1.0 we'll do an audit for stuff like that, but probably not before.
Good idea. We have no idea what else might happen with writers and characters in the meantime.
That's the best way to go about it, because it allows new and old writers to potentially pick up the content and "complete" it. If by that point no one has, it is what it is.
She does seem kind of the poster child for it. Like there's plenty that could maybe have more going on or involvement. But she kinda just shows up and... ... ... "and". Like it seriously feels like even her intro is just one long frozen loading bar.
none of what im saying pertains to writing, I just would like the recent bad ends to be more consequential of my actions rather than bonus content for my actions. the last bad end added is apart of the trend of "click this button to see the bad end". I dont have any problem with bad ends being telegraphed. I would find them more interesting if rather than a bad end button with a warning label, theyre triggered by a combination of having a certain item or items on, a certain perk/status, a body mod, on the wrong tile, with the wrong character, maybe also the wrong history with that character. An amalgamation of mechanics that relate to the bad end. Its difficult for me to explain what im looking for but the game asking politely to bad end me after repeated scenes with a character or however it happens isnt as mechanically rewarding as it could be. If I take the time checking all the boxes on the whore list, its already implied what Im looking for, now I would just need to make that wrong place wrong time wrong character mistake. clicking the "this is a bad end" button really doesnt feel like a mistake. Those checked boxes leading to a bad end would feel more organic than playing a scene 5 times, to then be presented with the option of a capstone. Again nothing to do with writing, just expecting more from mechanics.
But what if people like how their champ looks? And it so happens to be what's needed for bad end. Change their champ just to get through and then fuck around with TF items just to get it back, that just sounds annoying. While i would like for TF to matter more, tying them to some bad end would be bad idea.
Even tying quest choices to getting bad end would be annoying if people got it and didn't have save at the start. Sure make the fight harder, but don't outright say "Nah you chose wrong".
I listed several mechanics, Im not sure why youre fixating on the appearance one, I wasnt attacking you. If making certian choices can change your appearance, its fair to expect apperance to enact changes. My suggestion was that a bad end would only trigger once a litany of required correlative mechanics or/and choices is met, not only appearance, if appearance at all. There is nothing wrong with wanting full control of your character at all times, it just makes for unintersting bad ends imo. If youre worried about losing your save, then we really just play the game differently. I do not understand why youre so defensive against ceding control to a bad end when in this context, the bad end is consistent with choices made. Again I have no issue with events or bad ends being telegraphed, so long as it isnt a "click here to see the bad end" button. Im not asking for a game over screen to show up for playing the way I want(although I do want the two to be relative or gradational), Im asking for the game over screen to not be so inconsequential when the button to and safely away from it show up. I want the bad end to occur because I spent the last 5 days covered in cum and made the mistake of bending over infront of a slaver at outlaw bar, without my weapons (arona decided I'd only hurt myself so she took them idk)(avoiding this b/e is as simple as showering once every 5 days). and not, youve fucked this character 5 times, click here to see their capstone scene.
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