Your gripes with CoC II

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A1teros

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I don't like that Ninja Stylin is a quest, especially when the gear is so feminine that I'm never gonna use it.
 

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I do wish that a lot of the gear in this game could be a bit of the shapeshifting MMORPG type, that can be skimpy sexy if put on a female character, but not quite so much when put on a male character, especially given that a significant portion of the player base seem to play male characters.
 
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I pretty quickly gave up trying to play a suave and charming male Bard character, and just got him a Bimbo potion and got it over with. A knight or paladin type works out very well meanwhile, most of the heavy stuff are appropriately rough that your character won't feel like a cosplayer in a Chippendale show half the time, but a rogue meanwhile have to just bite the bullet, and forget about cool "looking" mage gear.
 

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I pretty quickly gave up trying to play a suave and charming male Bard character, and just got him a Bimbo potion and got it over with. A knight or paladin type works out very well meanwhile, most of the heavy stuff are appropriately rough that your character won't feel like a cosplayer in a Chippendale show half the time, but a rogue meanwhile have to just bite the bullet, and forget about cool "looking" mage gear.
the armored robe is ok... Im just trying to be a cool swordmage
 
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I do wish that a lot of the gear in this game could be a bit of the shapeshifting MMORPG type, that can be skimpy sexy if put on a female character, but not quite so much when put on a male character
I guess we could actually put [pc.mf|dude descript|lady descript] parsers inside item descriptions. Never thought of that before.
 

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I do wish that a lot of the gear in this game could be a bit of the shapeshifting MMORPG type, that can be skimpy sexy if put on a female character, but not quite so much when put on a male character, especially given that a significant portion of the player base seem to play male characters.
I hate that in games. I want to dress my champ like a girl boss, not as a 2 copper ho. A piece of armor should equally revealing or equally covering regardless of sex/gender.
 
Sometimes you just have to do a little fixup with the ol' headcanon.

I know this well, otherwise I'd be wondering how the hell my characters wear any kind of headwear that wasn't specifically made for someone with antlers, or even just horns in general.


- YOU OBTAINED A CENTURION'S HELM -

My PC: "Woah how fantastic!" hangs the thing from their rack like it's a hatstand.
 

Ria Brew

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All armor IS unisex. Nothing stopping you wearing the bikinimail rn.
Oh I know, just offering the flip opinion to "put everyone in full plate"

I like impractical armor so I appreciate impractical unisex approaches
 

A1teros

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I'm not complaining about the armor being feminine or too sexual, that's fine, my issue is that it has its own quest. It's not something that's necessarily going to be useful to every character, so why give it a whole quest that'll sit in the quest list uncompleted if it's not something your PC would use? If this were just an item you can get by asking around it'd be pretty sick, but because it's a quest it'll just clutter the logs of a lot of people.

I think everything about Ninja Stylin would be great if it just weren't a quest, play it out the exact same way but it just never enters the quest log. Alternatively, it completes as soon as you talk to Kohaku about it rather than requiring you to buy the outfit to finish it. Of course I wouldn't mind a shinobi counterpart to the kunoichi outfit, that'd be cool too.
 

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It's weird how there's one instance of gender-specific armor in the game, that being the Tiran Temple's Tiran Nun's Habit and Tiran Vestements. Why is it gender-locked? They have identical stats, but the nun's habit is described as "rather revealing" and has a generally more descriptive description. While both of these are described as fancy and form-fitting, I think it would be better if there was just a choice in which option to take beyond changing your gender right before opening the chest.
 

Sacremas

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I'm not complaining about the armor being feminine or too sexual, that's fine, my issue is that it has its own quest. It's not something that's necessarily going to be useful to every character, so why give it a whole quest that'll sit in the quest list uncompleted if it's not something your PC would use? If this were just an item you can get by asking around it'd be pretty sick, but because it's a quest it'll just clutter the logs of a lot of people.

I think everything about Ninja Stylin would be great if it just weren't a quest, play it out the exact same way but it just never enters the quest log. Alternatively, it completes as soon as you talk to Kohaku about it rather than requiring you to buy the outfit to finish it. Of course I wouldn't mind a shinobi counterpart to the kunoichi outfit, that'd be cool too.

I thought that one is set like the Fishnet quest is, that it'll only start up if you hit the Kura Outfit button? If so, just don't hit that button.

If it auto-procs before then however, then that should be dropped. OTOH getting some ingredients like drider silk (which basically just means hopping over to Senja and buying it) could be good beyond just asking, paying and waiting for it.

And yeah I have at least one Lupine come Kitsune thief that would love a Shinobi version.

(And yes I feel your cluttered journal/uncompleted quests pain. I'm the type that'll commit to just sitting down and doing days or even weeks worth of pointless fetch quests in Skyrim or Fallout 4 just to clear that journal, gotta get that Pipe pistol from that random letter I read out of Hub 360, how can my level 90 character get by without it after all? Sigh, that good old OCD...)
 

AceofSpades

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I hate that in games. I want to dress my champ like a girl boss, not as a 2 copper ho. A piece of armor should equally revealing or equally covering regardless of sex/gender.
I agree with this, because I already hate that we have one gender-locked (technically) piece of armor. Playing a femboy, you bet I swapped out my Tiran priest vestments for a skimpy nun habit lol. I was actually quite happy when one of Lumia's rewards was a gown. And I loved having the sexy and regal royal leathers from the Ice Palace.
 

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I love the reactions of the others at the temple of Light and Sanders and Lia to PC becoming a Valkyrie. I just wish more people acknowledged it, even if it is just a "Oh, neat, you have wings now." High Ground had a nice scene as well.
 

Cannibal Cravings

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Feminine? The tactical butt-cover is unisex, of course.
Its the description of the chest opening for me. I don't know many people who self identify as male who also run around with pec-cleavage lol
Put the men in chain bikinis too.
I feel like this should be someone's own personal choice. If you wanna be a super ripped body builder guy in a chain bikini that's totally your right to do that but I do think it should be an option. As it is the descriptive text for most armor in the game has it described as skimpy or feminine in nature and some people, myself included, don't really enjoy the mental image that cultivates.
I guess we could actually put [pc.mf|dude descript|lady descript] parsers inside item descriptions. Never thought of that before.
This. This is the perfect solution. I'm sorry to the writers and coders who would have to shoulder a bit of extra work to make it happen but it'd instantly solve the problem in my opinion.
 

Ria Brew

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I'm starting to understand the need for /j at the end of jokes
 

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I don't know how to feel about the female-only or female-transformative soulbinding to Lumia. It makes sense from a lore perspective, but soul-binding is (I think?) a massive part of the gameplay and lore for the Champion, and locking it behind a single gender feels weird to me.
 
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I don't know how to feel about the female-only or female-transformative soulbinding to Lumia. It makes sense from a lore perspective, but soul-binding is (I think?) a massive part of the gameplay and lore for the Champion, and locking it behind a single gender feels weird to me.
For what it's worth, the gameplay effect is meant to be negligible. You (eventually) get access to a few new powers, which are designed to be in-line with other powers to avoid power creep. And the effect on the wider story is minor, the main thing being Kasyrra will be fucking furious if/when she finds out.

It is a valid point though, a big part of the game is people getting to play as their OCs. And in-universe it's certainly significant, even if the developers make sure you get a near-identical gameplay experience whether you become a valkyrie/kitsune/Astrida (in future) or not.
 

AceofSpades

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This. This is the perfect solution. I'm sorry to the writers and coders who would have to shoulder a bit of extra work to make it happen but it'd instantly solve the problem in my opinion.
Well, it would solve one and create another. For the guys who want to wear skimpy armor, and those of us who play male champs in feminine armor, this would completely erase our ability to do so. My femboy elf would be stuck in bro gear and it would ruin the whole goal of femboy.

I personally think armor should just stay static as-is so that everyone has options to embrace or avoid a visual description at their own choosing.
 

Cannibal Cravings

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Well, it would solve one and create another. For the guys who want to wear skimpy armor, and those of us who play male champs in feminine armor, this would completely erase our ability to do so. My femboy elf would be stuck in bro gear and it would ruin the whole goal of femboy.

I personally think armor should just stay static as-is so that everyone has options to embrace or avoid a visual description at their own choosing.
How hard would it be to add a gender toggle button in the appearance section specifically for clothes? We already have one for preferred pronouns so the feature already exists in the game, just port it over and you're good to go.
 

AceofSpades

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How hard would it be to add a gender toggle button in the appearance section specifically for clothes? We already have one for preferred pronouns so the feature already exists in the game, just port it over and you're good to go.
If that's how they implement it, then I'd be all for it. If it just checks our current gender, I think it'll frustrate a lot of people.
 

MarcoPolo121

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I would genuinely like to know whether three out of four gods to soulbind witb was always the plan or there were ideas for seven soulbinds that got paired down to three later.
 
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