Your gripes with CoC II

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Zackflame

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You could just explain that the dawn sword was not fully purified hence making it revert back to it corrupted state when it became self aware
 

WolframL

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Let's not act like Lumia would ever attack Kas or the Champ for any reason.
Mallach straight-up tells Kas that they're not intervening because they're mildly interested in what she's doing and she hasn't crossed the line... yet. He makes it clear that if she does, she'll have to deal with a war with all of the Seven, and their followers. It's not at all a subtle threat that yes, they will intervene directly if they absolutely have to. However, as Savin has already pointed out on the forums, one reason they don't like direct intervention and prefer to work through intermediaries is that the gods whose portfolio includes smiting don't really have any setting between 'off' and 'massive collateral damage'.
It would be a very hard sell to get people to buy that Lumia would go after the champ and not Kas
If you're in a situation where the game memetically Bad Ends you for being a murderhobo, you're probably in a situation where one of the gods will smite Kas too, offscreen. Y'know, like they threaten to.
 

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Speaking about gods, Savin made it clear that the champion will never become one. But doesn't that make Kas goal to harvest the champion's soul when they are as strong or stronger than her mean they become more powerful than kas. Making them to acquire powers that may rival or be as close to that of the seven when they become soulless.
 

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Mallach straight-up tells Kas that they're not intervening because they're mildly interested in what she's doing and she hasn't crossed the line... yet. He makes it clear that if she does, she'll have to deal with a war with all of the Seven, and their followers. It's not at all a subtle threat that yes, they will intervene directly if they absolutely have to. However, as Savin has already pointed out on the forums, one reason they don't like direct intervention and prefer to work through intermediaries is that the gods whose portfolio includes smiting don't really have any setting between 'off' and 'massive collateral damage'.

If you're in a situation where the game memetically Bad Ends you for being a murderhobo, you're probably in a situation where one of the gods will smite Kas too, offscreen. Y'know, like they threaten to.
Who's talking about being a murderhobo? what I'm saying is whatever logic you apply for them not going after Kas you would apply that same logic for them not going after the Champ. And you're telling me that letting an extra-dimensional potentially world destroying nightmare entity into existence( after of course conquering an entire kingdom and wreaking total havoc across the region) isn't crossing the line. But corrupting a holy sword to give it a slight damage boost is taking too far.

Again, hard sell.
 
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Speaking about gods, Savin made it clear that the champion will never become one. But doesn't that make Kas goal to harvest the champion's soul when they are as strong or stronger than her mean they become more powerful than kas. Making them to acquire powers that may rival or be as close to that of the seven when they become soulless.
The fact that your soul is magically interesting doesn't mean that you're more powerful than Kasyrra or the Seven. That you're more mutable and pick things up faster is partially a handwave for gameplay mechanics (ie, why TFs work so much more readily for you than the average person and why most people don't become chimaeras just by eating the wrong foods) but it also means your soul is a bit different from average, and Kas hopes that might be what it takes to solve her desire for a true child. Alternatively, it might just be the key to returning her to a human form without killing her personality. That your soul might be different enough to do these things doesn't make you stronger, it's more like having a specialized tool to accomplish a task versus being able to brute-force it.
Who's talking about being a murderhobo?
It's called an example, since a lot of the pissing and moaning seems to boil down to 'I wanna be a Saturday morning cartoon villain but the game won't let me!'.
And you're telling me that letting an extra-dimensional potentially world destroying nightmare entity into existence( after of course conquering an entire kingdom and wreaking total havoc across the region) isn't crossing the line. But corrupting a holy sword to give it a slight damage boost is taking too far.
You're getting lost in the weeds here. As Aly said in the post that started this whole damned tangent, it's not the sword itself so much as it being the catalyst for someone to start looking more closely at the bad things a DK champ can do and deciding to, y'know, put a stop to it. Right now, most of the Bad Things happen in isolation or they can be plausibly brushed off as an accident. Re-corrupting a previously purified holy relic is an example of the kind of thing that might just make people take notice and realize 'Hey, pc.name is actually kind of suspicious, maybe we should investigate!'. And I brought up Lumia sending in a valkyrie as, again, an example of how that might play out.
 
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Kingu2

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You're getting lost in the weeds here. As Aly said in the post that started this whole damned tangent, it's not the sword itself so much as it being the catalyst for someone to start looking more closely at the bad things a DK champ can do and deciding to, y'know, put a stop to it. Right now, most of the Bad Things happen in isolation or they can be plausibly brushed off as an accident. Re-corrupting a previously purified holy relic is an example of the kind of thing that might just make people take notice and realize 'Hey, pc.name is actually kind of suspicious, maybe we should investigate!'. And I brought up Lumia sending in a valkyrie as, again, an example of how that might play out.
Okay sure, but that's not to say they would necessarily find anything. You can still have max corruption without actually corrupting or killing anyone or anything and having sex with demons isn't exactly grounds for execution.
 

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One thing that bugs me out is the fact that the game makes your wings useless in certain situations specially in quests like high ground and ring of fate( correct me if am wrong).
 

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As its explained to Azy during high ground, they dont know how deep it is, they wouldnt want to risk getting tiered.
 

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As its explained to Azy during high ground, they dont know how deep it is, they wouldnt want to risk getting tiered.
Since when does a bird feel tired from gliding. All we had to do was tie the rope and graciously fall
 

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two things, birds are not human size and weight, second hold your arms out straight for a minute, tell that is not tiring
about those two things. the various flying races ingame are human size and weight and standing while holding your arms out straight isn't the same as falling with your arms out straight especially when when you have an air current pushing up on them.
 

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Even if its special ability isn't great compared to the one on the corrupt Dawnsword, it's not "sad" or "broken" and is part of one of the most frequently used weapon combos in the game right now (Pure Dawnsword and Sanctified Gladius). That special ability is also getting a buff in the next Balak pass.
maybe because all other unique one-handed weapons for non corrupt PC also are sad and lousy? like I get it you enjoy lumia a lot and don't wanna corrupt her stuff so just say its because no one wants to write it instead of trying to lore gate it

edit: I misremembered the number of one handed weapons, now it makes even more sense since there is very little unique one handed to start with and they are all bad
 
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I will say that one of the most likely outcomes with the still ongoing combat rebalance is that any item which is notably better than others in its slot (say, the Corrupted Dawnsword) is they're gonna get nerfed hard. So this problem may be solved, just in the opposite direction than you're thinking.
 

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I will say that one of the most likely outcomes with the still ongoing combat rebalance is that any item which is notably better than others in its slot (say, the Corrupted Dawnsword) is they're gonna get nerfed hard. So this problem may be solved, just in the opposite direction than you're thinking.
I'd be fine with this since it makes it feel that non DK champs get the short end of the stick in cool weapons wise, first I get punished for not wanting a penis and then I get punished by not liking to play asshole cham, what a wonderful world
 

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Oh for crying out loud, drop the victim act. The pure Dawnsword not having as overpowered a special ability as the corrupted one is not punishing you, it's still an extremely good weapon that works well with certain builds and does a damage type that happens to be absolute murder on demons.
 

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sorry but this is the thread for that, demons are easy to kill with Ryn in her outrider gear regardless of how trash the champion is so it really means nothing that it does murder on demons when an ice arrow obliterates half of the group when multiple and really takes a very large chunk if not outright murders single enemies, really to me and apparently not only me the pure dawnsword is a super niche weapon that gets outvoted by a ring very easily
 
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about those two things. the various flying races ingame are human size and weight and standing while holding your arms out straight isn't the same as falling with your arms out straight especially when when you have an air current pushing up on them.
wrong, holding your arms out and falling while holding your arms out at the same time at the same exact angle, and preventing gravity from changing said angle is very tiring, in fact i would say falling with your arms held out in a specific position would be more tiring then just standing there holding your arms up
 

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Well with the NPCfication of one of my favorite male followers… throw another male follower our way is all I ask. Let me gae lol, another femboy like character would be nice. My only gripe really, needs more gae.
 
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Kyubi Xiaolong

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sorry but this is the thread for that, demons are easy to kill with Ryn in her outrider gear regardless of how trash the champion is so it really means nothing that it does murder on demons when an ice arrow obliterates half of the group when multiple and really takes a very large chunk if not outright murders single enemies, really to me and apparently not only me the pure dawnsword is a super niche weapon that gets outvoted by a ring very easily
sorry but.. i dont get it... the dawn sword is way better then the corrupted dawn sword..... both give a power for equipping but the CDS lowers armor, ward and focus while the dawnsword increases all three....i mean seriously..... the best points of the CDS is weakened by the fact it deals blight damage which 90% of enemies are strong agienst, ..... also your whole thing about ryn.... its only true on easy mode and story mode.......
 

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sorry but.. i dont get it... the dawn sword is way better then the corrupted dawn sword..... both give a power for equipping but the CDS lowers armor, ward and focus while the dawnsword increases all three....i mean seriously..... the best points of the CDS is weakened by the fact it deals blight damage which 90% of enemies are strong agienst, ..... also your whole thing about ryn.... its only true on easy mode and story mode.......
I disagree that the dawnsword is good but nice it works well with your build, and yeah I play in easy mode due my champ having 0 life and damage but high threat
 

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I think there should be a way to boost the power of the Dawnsword, all things said tho

To be honest, I thought the stat spread on it was rather bizarre, considering what it basically is, and what is is explicitly stated as being able to do. I’d suggest dropping the Armor boost, which seems kind of out of left field, and replacing it with a decent Armor Pen value.
 
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Kingu2

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wrong, holding your arms out and falling while holding your arms out at the same time at the same exact angle, and preventing gravity from changing said angle is very tiring, in fact i would say falling with your arms held out in a specific position would be more tiring then just standing there holding your arms up
right but you you wouldn't be falling at the same angle as if you were standing. That's the whole point. like as if you were in a wind tunnel.
 

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Why is it that Viviane hasn't had her companion content added? I know Balak's been spending a lot of time on the combat balance rework, but her companion content was submitted and accepted before Companion submissions got locked, back in November of last year. Why is it that, after 9 months, her stuff is still not in? I know that it can take a while for stuff to get in, BerryQuest2 was finished 3 months before it got into the game. And yeah, I'm aware that Balak also said he'd be adding more to her between the submission and when the submission gets reviewed. But at this point, I'd assume it's been reviewed, considering the time since the initial submission. Is it just a low priority for coding/implementation?
 

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Why is it that Viviane hasn't had her companion content added? I know Balak's been spending a lot of time on the combat balance rework, but her companion content was submitted and accepted before Companion submissions got locked, back in November of last year. Why is it that, after 9 months, her stuff is still not in? I know that it can take a while for stuff to get in, BerryQuest2 was finished 3 months before it got into the game. And yeah, I'm aware that Balak also said he'd be adding more to her between the submission and when the submission gets reviewed. But at this point, I'd assume it's been reviewed, considering the time since the initial submission. Is it just a low priority for coding/implementation?
It takes time, I'm looking forward to having Viv in party.. let's hope she'll be a much better fighter and companion than 'he must not be named'.
 

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Why is it that Viviane hasn't had her companion content added? I know Balak's been spending a lot of time on the combat balance rework, but her companion content was submitted and accepted before Companion submissions got locked, back in November of last year. Why is it that, after 9 months, her stuff is still not in? I know that it can take a while for stuff to get in, BerryQuest2 was finished 3 months before it got into the game. And yeah, I'm aware that Balak also said he'd be adding more to her between the submission and when the submission gets reviewed. But at this point, I'd assume it's been reviewed, considering the time since the initial submission. Is it just a low priority for coding/implementation?
I think I heard something along the lines of 'we've been focusing on the Berwyn transition, and now that's out of the way Viviane companion is a lot closer to being implemented', but do not have a source
 

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I disagree that the dawnsword is good but nice it works well with your build, and yeah I play in easy mode due my champ having 0 life and damage but high threat
If you play on a lower difficulty you might not notice the benefit of things like the Dawnsword especially targeting the weakness of the game's main antagonist and a number of her followers. There's nothing wrong with playing the way you want to play (they put the different modes in for a reason) but you're not exactly making a fair comparison when the game is giving you literally free damage.
Well with the NPCfication of one of my favorite male followers… throw another male follower our way is all I ask.
Companion submissions have been closed since last November, so even if you had a writer that the devs trusted to write a companion, that ship has long since sailed. Point of fact, there were all of three people remaining on that short list who didn't have one already (because companion submissions were always limited to a select few) within a few months of the deadline Savin imposed, all of those three wrote females and two of the three made it in. Even if Savin changed his mind and let William resume work on their previously planned companion, it wouldn't mean getting a male.
 

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If you play on a lower difficulty you might not notice the benefit of things like the Dawnsword especially targeting the weakness of the game's main antagonist and a number of her followers. There's nothing wrong with playing the way you want to play (they put the different modes in for a reason) but you're not exactly making a fair comparison when the game is giving you literally free damage.
fair enough, tho funnily enough it only seems to boost the companions for me, I still have never done more than 50 damage ever with out rngsus giving me a crit
 

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blight damage which 90% of enemies are strong agienst
That is a bit overexxagerated. Only actual demons and kitsune have blight resistance. A fringe case being the elfs during the winter palace quest. Most other enemies have either 0 blight resist or a 75% weakness.

Blight dmg is the most inconsistent of all dmg types, which makes it somewhat situational. Though I have to admit, with the amount of demons we fight from the winter city onward, blight dmg from powers becomes unreliable. Swapping between a blight and non-blight weapon mid-combat can have it's uses.
 
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