Your gripes with CoC II

[TheGSone]

Talking about things people don't like and filters and technical stuff impossible to implement, you know what i would like? tags to know what a sex scene contains before selecting it.
A dumb example; if my champion is male, and i go to Brint's sex menu, it could have tags like "gay", "dom npc", and so on. If my champion is female, instead of "gay", it would be "straight" and probably also have "MC impregnation".
Of course, this not only requires revisiting every scene ever, but also going into murky territory, like "if my champ is male, and has sex with Etheryn, is it gay or not"

 

[ForeverLurker]

I think the game lilith throne has something like that it similar but for extreme stuff

 

[WolframL]

Active filtering of content has already been declared Not Happening Ever, scene tags would be only slightly less of a pain in the ass (slightly, especially if you want them to be parser-ised as well) and for no real benefit. Consider this: If you read the sex options and tooltips and pay attention to context, you'll already get a pretty good idea what the scene is going to involve without needing the game to hold your hand and walk you through it.

That said, I could imagine some funny fake tags in Silly Mode, like the high-Corruption win option for the Mino Miners 'warning' the player of Moo/Moo content.

 

[TheGSone]

I think the game lilith throne has something like that it similar but for extreme stuff

i remember paraphore having those too, for REALLY extreme stuff

Consider this: If you read the sex options and tooltips and pay attention to context, you'll already get a pretty good idea what the scene is going to involve without needing the game to hold your hand and walk you through it.

being english not my first language, some words are lost on me. Like, what the hell is "pitch anal"? that scene in Vaush's menu doesn't have a clear tooltip.
to be fair, i still woudn't participate in a scene with Vaush, being my characters always male, and completely opposed to any form of anal intercourse, but still, what does it mean?

 

[WolframL]

The game is written by and for English speakers (either as their primary language or at least a secondary language they're really comfortable with) and that means slang is going to be used. In this case, 'Pitch' comes from sports terminology and means the Champ is the one giving the dick, while 'Catch' would be the Champ receiving the dick.

that scene in Vaush's menu doesn't have a clear tooltip.

You mean this tooltip?

Which of those three words is unclear?

 

[wery12345]

I guess baseball terms are lost on them.

 

[Kingu2]

I guess baseball terms are lost on them.

might not be familiar with baseball as it's more of an American sport.

 

[SomeNobody]

Don't the Japanese also love Baseball?

 

[TheGSone]

The game is written by and for English speakers (either as their primary language or at least a secondary language they're really comfortable with) and that means slang is going to be used. In this case, 'Pitch' comes from sports terminology and means the Champ is the one giving the dick, while 'Catch' would be the Champ receiving the dick.

You mean this tooltip?
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Which of those three words is unclear?

well, colour me surprised, i was sure there was no tooltip last time i checked

I guess baseball terms are lost on them.

never seen anything related to baseball in my life. probably never even heard the word spoken in real life.

 

[SomethingWitty]

I really wish the game let me choose which characters I hate or not. I think is more of a writing problem than anything, one example is the game acting like I dislike Nakano for some reason (yeah he attacked me but so did like half the characters in this game) or disapprove of Kinu marriage without any input telling I actually feel that way. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the content if so feel free to correct me.

 

[Lone Wolf115]

Nakano for some reason (yeah he attacked me but so did like half the characters in this game) or disapprove of Kinu marriage without any input telling I actually feel that way. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the content if so feel free to correct me.

Well if you notice he shows the same dislike for you and he really doesn't want you around the den if you aren't Kitsune and when you are a Kitsune and Keros' Champion (I'm not sure on this but anyone feel free to correct me) he feels insulted or something similar.

 

[SomethingWitty]

Even if he dislikes me, I don't have any animosity towards him nor do I expect him to like me anytime soon if at all. I for one I'm glad Kiyoko is handling things and taking care of the kits lives while I'm out there cracking heads . When I got the news that Kinu was getting married I felt actually happy that she didn't grew stunted because of the orb. I don't think I'll ever hate him even if by the end of the game my relationship with him end up as this:

 

[Animalistic]

Well if you notice he shows the same dislike for you and he really doesn't want you around the den if you aren't Kitsune and when you are a Kitsune and Keros' Champion (I'm not sure on this but anyone feel free to correct me) he feels insulted or something similar.

Listen, I know that you are naming all the logistics as to why he and I should be at each other throats but I'd still fuck him.

 

[SomethingWitty]

Another thing is that I wish we could give her something to help in her quests. I don't expect we fight her battles but at least show some support, like giving a consumable or god forbid teaching her one of our powers; considering her and the PC ability for quick learning if would be a nice show of bounding, but that's a topic for the other thread.

 

[wery12345]

Champs only throwing back what nanako is giving, and the animosity stems from the fact that when you have hime kinu he's still acting like a suicidal samurai looking for a war to die in, so the champ is just angry that he isn't putting their daught/fiance above that. The champ does want to like their future son in law if you read what is said.

 

[SomethingWitty]

I do understand that, but I think showing bitterness towards a character should be a decision made by the player.

 

[wery12345]

Yeah I know, but then that causes the issue of needing to have every scene account for both versions of if you do or don't, which doesn't seem that out if place considering how many other fox things have to account for 2(with rindos I assume 3) variations. So the best default is top be mad at him, maybe the champ will be less mad at him as kinuQuest progresses.

 

[Tide Hunter]

So the best default is top be mad at him, maybe the champ will be less mad at him as kinuQuest progresses.

I'd more say the the best default is for the champ's character to be neutral in their descriptions of how they interact. Maybe somewhat antagonistic, but overt hostility and clear anger should not be the default for the Champ's interactions. The only default assumed emotion I really think should appear in scenes, beyond near-neutrality or beyond scenes where the player can choose how the Champ acts (i.e. "fuck off"), is lust, and that's only for a sex scene and its leadup. I ain't an authority, but that's my personal opinion. If an author wants a series of choices which can determine how the champ feels, and then writes accordingly, sure, but while the champ is technically a separate character rather than being us, they're malleable that most feelings should just be how we think the Champ feels, rather than what we get told to feel.

 

[Savin]

I'd more say the the best default is for the champ's character to be neutral in their descriptions of how they interact. Maybe somewhat antagonistic, but overt hostility and clear anger should not be the default for the Champ's interactions.

I have talked with Tobs about toning that down in future content.

 

[wery12345]

Yeah I hope it's a bit less aggro too, finally got kinuQuest to proc on my newest save and sheesh the champ was a bit agressive in one of the situation talks With Miko after the first attack, I get the champ was mad but buh god.

 

[luciel1331]

Off from the kinu/kitsune topic, I do have a gripe with CoC2. I wish there were more different body types of NPCs.

Like for example, the women who have busts are either busty amazons or voluptuous hourglass. Like they all seems to have pretty much same body types. I have read through all the codex of races and they mention like the average breasts size are A-D except for orcs, marefolks, and cowgirls. But literally every female npcs with busts have DD+ cups 눈_눈. So the commonfolk doesn't exist and literally everyone is exception to the rule?

There aren't a lot of busts of men so can't really comment on that. But having lean muscular figure and traps seems to be the pattern for guys. Not much variation in there either but there aren't many of them in first place.

I know it's a porn game and the game is like large is justice where big dick, butt, boob reign supreme. But like I appreciate boobs of all sizes and different body types have different appeals. Isn't the game about providing variety?

 

[Kingu2]

Like for example, the women who have busts are either busty amazons or voluptuous hourglass. Like they all seems to have pretty much same body types. I have read through all the codex of races and they mention like the average breasts size are A-D except for orcs, marefolks, and cowgirls. But literally every female npcs with busts have DD+ cups 눈_눈. So the commonfolk doesn't exist and literally everyone is exception to the rule?

Sorry but what are you talking about? very few female characters in the game break from the average listed in the codex . Like you're deliberately ignoring every female character in the game with small to average breasts, like...

Ethryn
Atugia
Kiyoko
Azzy
Agni
Jen
Janeen
Lusamine
Gytha
Daliza

Just to name a few.

 

[wery12345]

And Ryn and Kiyoko both take effort on your part to reach D+, also if course most men are muscular it's a world that requires it.

 

[luciel1331]

Sorry but what are you talking about? very few female characters in the game break from the average listed in the codex . Like you're deliberately ignoring every female character in the game with small to average breasts, like...

Ethryn
Atugia
Kiyoko
Azzy
Agni
Jen
Janeen
Lusamine
Gytha
Daliza

Just to name a few.

I admit Ryn, Atugia, Agni, Kiyoko, Jen, Janeen, Lusamine, Gytha, and Janeen are within average of their race. Janeen is in average considering lupine as a race averages C-EE. But Azzy and Daliza aren't.

Azzy is supposed to have F cup breasts while in hive knight form and H cups in bimbo form. The bust art doesn't seem to reflect that. Also, according to what happened to her hive (the corruption/Kas demon shenanigans) and the codex for hornets, she is not the average. Beefolks are supposed to have larger breasts than hornet due to producing a lot of honey.

As for Daliza, she is also not the average because average breast size for boreal elves are B-D. Looking at her bust art, she is at least E-F cup and even checking her code for breast size, she is supposed to be G cup( i know those data aren't the most accurate and their writing/descriptions are the ones I should read but still).

Now I do know there are several others that wasn't mentioned that are within their average considering their race like tamarind, kohaku, rindo, etc. I really shouldn't have said all but I'm saying MOST female characters all have pretty much same figures: amazonian or slim hourglass. My point is that there's not much variety in body shapes.

 

[Bast]

Azzy and Dalizas are as big as their heads. So uhm..

 

[luciel1331]

And Ryn and Kiyoko both take effort on your part to reach D+, also if course most men are muscular it's a world that requires it.

I do like the fact with Ryn she can have a variety of body types: waifish, top heavy, bottom heavy, and hourglass. Another reason she's my favorite.

As for men though, not everyone is fighting in battlefields. Their occupation/life should reflect the different body types the people have.

Like those with a job with lot of manual works can have burlier body, people in scholarly field can have very little muscle and perhaps on the thin side, and people in upper parts of society might be on a chubbier & softer side since they eat good.

There aren't a lot of male npcs in this game in the first place so I can kind of understand lack of variety in male body types though.

 

[Spidereggs]

Regarding muscularity - nutrition factors in significantly, you can't get massively muscular with training or hard labor alone - in pre-modern times, it would be very rare for someone to be so muscular, even if physical labor was more common, simply due to the food available. The "ripped" appearance, in particular, necessitates extremely low body fat percentage and a state of severe dehydration, and cannot be maintained indefinitely.

That said, it's a porn game, and abs are hot.

 

[Animalistic]

But we never get to expirience/focus on the male chest. We never get to grind ourselves on Elyon washboard abs, play/suckle on Brints titties or rest our head back to listen to Junes heartbeat. Which is a damn shame if you ask me. At least I may finally get to do so with Berwyn and maybe Liulfr.

But I want more of it.

 

[Lone Wolf115]

I hope someone picks up the Frost Pupper and June gets more along with the Lupine scouts after Khor'minos is done. We know next to nothing about the Frost Pupper except that she is deep into pet play, and that she is half Lupine and Frost Giant (The obvious.)

 

[CboyC95]

Not having Aileh and Lusina as possible companions was a missed opportunity since they have the potential for it.