Every time she gets stunned, all the enemies get "stunned" for a turn too while they take advantage
Your gripes with CoC II
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Someone who dropped the game here (from being a Patreon supporter), so maybe take what I say with a grain of salt. My biggest gripe with the game would have to be the character of Gweyr.
I loved Garth, Gareth, and Gwyneth. Gareth and Garth's relationship in particular being among my favorite interactions to see in the game. So of course I wanted to find Gareth's Mom and get answers as to everything that happened, to bring her home. And I kind of wish I didn't. Yadda yadda, but I did have genuine investment in the game's story, all other things aside, at the time. I'm a man who enjoys his porn with good plot, top tier. I would like to make no mistake in saying that I do not think Gweyr was justified in the slightest.
From the first 3 cultists you kill, I can SORT OF see why she'd do it. They were attacking River and were after the gem. Now, she SAYS they might have killed her, but it outright says 'holding her back while they pry out the gem'. She didn't know they were mind controlled. So she does it. She didn't have to, she far outmatched them and knocking them out would have been as easy as using the flat of her blade, and they were young and residents of the town she'd lived in, but she did, and I think that was grey, but fine enough, even if she pretty obviously killed them because she enjoyed it.
I saw a couple of posts saying former soldiers said they'd have done the same. But I really, really don't think they would have. They attacked her with kitchen knives, a ploughshare, and a hunting bow. She had a sword. In war, sometimes the enemy will train child soldiers to attack grown men to shake their morale, lower their guard, and generally to have more manpower. And killing them FUCKS with soldiers, no matter what anyone says. When a child soldier is handed a gun or has a bomb strapped to them, you have to kill them, or you will die. It doesn't matter if you're a grown ass man and they're a child, a bullet is a bullet no matter who fires it. But a kitchen knife being swung at you when you have a sword? Parry and use the flat of your blade for a knock out. She served drinks to those guys. She said she'd take pleasure in it. And then she killed them. The attacks that do hit you do such minimal damage that you see how little danger she was in. They were kids. She'd figured out they were mind controlled partway through. And she still went through with it because she didn't care.
When Sanders yelled at her for what she did, she didn't care. She killed a bunch of kids in front of their parents knowing it was mind control at point and called it a "Job". Thought everyone in town was a coward for being angry at her for killing their children.
Now, this alone wasn't what made me drop the game. What made me really drop it is, all you really get to do is reply "Yes" when she asks if she's a monster and basically nothing comes of it. You get a line of dialogue and the sidequest is given anyways. Initially when that all happened I closed without saving, played something else, didn't play again for a while, then uninstalled. Recently I reinstalled it (about 4 months passed in between) and played through it all again for the purpose of this mini-rant. I know the quest for bringing her home is done now, but I'm not gonna do it, and I have little intention on ever going back to the game. This turned into something longer than I intended but I did want to get this all down, I just think Gweyr's a poorly written character, and the story wanting you to forgive her is what made me drop it. If you read through this all, thanks, sorry for the wall of text mid-forum, later.
I loved Garth, Gareth, and Gwyneth. Gareth and Garth's relationship in particular being among my favorite interactions to see in the game. So of course I wanted to find Gareth's Mom and get answers as to everything that happened, to bring her home. And I kind of wish I didn't. Yadda yadda, but I did have genuine investment in the game's story, all other things aside, at the time. I'm a man who enjoys his porn with good plot, top tier. I would like to make no mistake in saying that I do not think Gweyr was justified in the slightest.
From the first 3 cultists you kill, I can SORT OF see why she'd do it. They were attacking River and were after the gem. Now, she SAYS they might have killed her, but it outright says 'holding her back while they pry out the gem'. She didn't know they were mind controlled. So she does it. She didn't have to, she far outmatched them and knocking them out would have been as easy as using the flat of her blade, and they were young and residents of the town she'd lived in, but she did, and I think that was grey, but fine enough, even if she pretty obviously killed them because she enjoyed it.
I saw a couple of posts saying former soldiers said they'd have done the same. But I really, really don't think they would have. They attacked her with kitchen knives, a ploughshare, and a hunting bow. She had a sword. In war, sometimes the enemy will train child soldiers to attack grown men to shake their morale, lower their guard, and generally to have more manpower. And killing them FUCKS with soldiers, no matter what anyone says. When a child soldier is handed a gun or has a bomb strapped to them, you have to kill them, or you will die. It doesn't matter if you're a grown ass man and they're a child, a bullet is a bullet no matter who fires it. But a kitchen knife being swung at you when you have a sword? Parry and use the flat of your blade for a knock out. She served drinks to those guys. She said she'd take pleasure in it. And then she killed them. The attacks that do hit you do such minimal damage that you see how little danger she was in. They were kids. She'd figured out they were mind controlled partway through. And she still went through with it because she didn't care.
When Sanders yelled at her for what she did, she didn't care. She killed a bunch of kids in front of their parents knowing it was mind control at point and called it a "Job". Thought everyone in town was a coward for being angry at her for killing their children.
Now, this alone wasn't what made me drop the game. What made me really drop it is, all you really get to do is reply "Yes" when she asks if she's a monster and basically nothing comes of it. You get a line of dialogue and the sidequest is given anyways. Initially when that all happened I closed without saving, played something else, didn't play again for a while, then uninstalled. Recently I reinstalled it (about 4 months passed in between) and played through it all again for the purpose of this mini-rant. I know the quest for bringing her home is done now, but I'm not gonna do it, and I have little intention on ever going back to the game. This turned into something longer than I intended but I did want to get this all down, I just think Gweyr's a poorly written character, and the story wanting you to forgive her is what made me drop it. If you read through this all, thanks, sorry for the wall of text mid-forum, later.
Gweyr's not really that poorly written? It seems more like your trying to put your ideals on a character who wasnt designed with them in mind. And yeah our character only really having Yes as a response as well makes sense cause at this point in the story chances are your character is a parent, only logical response would be that(especially those who have done KinuQuest). Also she was a mercenary, killing peoples kids comes part and parcel with the job.
The undermount is a bloody nightmare, I swear every three or four squares I'm being ambushed by some kinda imp/shark thingy/demon or minotaur dude that wants a blowjob (always ends in a fight). I also find Kiyoko, Arona and Brienne are slowly but surely moving to the bottom of my fav companion list.. all three suck in a fight and if I use any two of them I end up fighting near the end by myself.
She isn't a monster, not to me. The brats deserved whatever came to them, you don't sympathise with terrorists and the cult to me are. I personally wanted to say to mama wolf that she did nothing wrong, the villagers are to blame seeing as they sat on their asses and allowed their brats to become what they did. They should of been thanking her, not exiling her to the ice. Sanders did fuck all and Carmen stayed pretty in her castle.
Lone Wolf115
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Well the imps are very numerous there but it is annoying. Why are those three moving down? Their fighting style, Kiyo's first set works per for me me, her counter spell passive ability was fucking hilarious when I fought Tullus in the abyssal depths, he just got his ass handed back to him, same went for the Lurling.
A woman after my own heart. I do want to see the rift between Mom and daughter fixes but it is most likely a after game thing, maybe some healing at some time. I have a self insert with Gwyn, that's why and in general.
Sorry for my wording if it's hard to understand I I'm tired of the time of writing this had a hard time going to sleep.
Gweyr did nothing wrong. No member of the cult she killed was innocent. Embrace murder mommy.
Lone Wolf115
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Yes exactly she did what needed to be done nothing more or less. Now we must finish what she started.
Way I view it with my character is she is a monster, but sometimes you need to become the monster to protect others.
I’m simple—Gweyr could murder me and I’d say thank you, mommy domme.
and then I’d get murdered again but, unfortunately for her, god won’t just let me die. 
For me Gweyr always felt simply weird. Like her content wasn't originally planned, at least as it is right now, and corners had to be cut to make her fit in the game.
Her killing sixty people, tearing a magically enhanced mander in two and proceeding to walk the ice gave champion of Tira vibes with their reverse tiring in combat but it turns out that she is just 1/256 descendant of something or other so she has super strength. Ok? Then she sat up in the rift for 15 years doing fuckall and neglecting her children all the while knowing how they are turning out without her in their life. But the cosmic dice rolled an 11 and tossed the guys she's been looking for right in her lap so everything is fine.
Also the fact that Tollus was able to go to Hawkthorne, conduct shady shit and influence the kids into joining him without being hacked to death by angry villagers requires some serious suspension of disbelief on my part.
Her killing sixty people, tearing a magically enhanced mander in two and proceeding to walk the ice gave champion of Tira vibes with their reverse tiring in combat but it turns out that she is just 1/256 descendant of something or other so she has super strength. Ok? Then she sat up in the rift for 15 years doing fuckall and neglecting her children all the while knowing how they are turning out without her in their life. But the cosmic dice rolled an 11 and tossed the guys she's been looking for right in her lap so everything is fine.
Also the fact that Tollus was able to go to Hawkthorne, conduct shady shit and influence the kids into joining him without being hacked to death by angry villagers requires some serious suspension of disbelief on my part.
Hawkthorne being presented again and again as nearly totally defenseless and completely reliant on sponateous acts of heroism from randos is a head scratcher for me as well. It is a community of primarily loggers and hunters living in an almost completely lawless lands, with no liege in sight capable of protecting them and surrounded by potentially hostile tribes. People who intentionally settle in places like that tend to be hardy, extremely suspicious if not outright hostile towards outsiders, and fully ready to spill blood in order to hold onto what's theirs. I can kinda see them being cowed by magic, but letting wolves and other Old Forest critters deny them access to their primary means of trade - not so much.
They also tend to by necessity value family/clan ties above all else, so letting a murderer of their kin go without an arrow or ten between their shoulder blades or living with the family of said murderer for years seems weird. Still, I'm reserving my judgement until I actually go through the whole of Gweyr content.
In general, though, The Observer seems to be far more willing than any other writer to go for more raw and hard hitting experiences, be it in the realm of sexual kink or the blood and muck of dark fantasy/ancient world. The general quality of writing and the attention to detail are universally high, but even that does little to prevent a mood whiplash in some instances, at least for vanilla folks like myself. I still can't help losing the mood and going "bruh..." every time Kiyoko's sex scenes start talking about her 'baby bag'. But then I get to pet her or listen to some cool fables, and everything is once again right in the world. Anyhow, Gweyr's content seems to have that same issue, and IIRC it even got a dev note in its release announcement talking about how different and dark its tone is.
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To be fair almost everyone whose family was involved in that affair other than the Gunvaldsens left the community eventually anyway. That's one of the reasons the PC/Garret can be like "Gweyr you dumb ass come home already."
The brats that was recruited were weakminded fools that their parents allowed to happen and when it did, where the hell were they then?. If it wasn't for mama wolf, can you say Hawkethorne would of lasted long? no it wouldn't of. Sanders was weak and it showed by sentencing the only one who did anything to walk the ice.. She left her husband and children because she had to do what no other fucker would.
"I've made a lot of tough decisions since I took this position. But none of them harder than this one. You saved us, but you'll kill us. I'm sorry. You're a hero... and you have to leave."
I still wonder if Gweyr were able to simply knock out all of those stupid kid cultists, if said "kids" would be held to the same standard Gweyr was and possibly be told to walk the ice by Sanders.
Or if the shitty villagers would try the double standards route and try to downplay it all because "they're their be-au-ti-ful babbies!" or somesuch.
Or if the shitty villagers would try the double standards route and try to downplay it all because "they're their be-au-ti-ful babbies!" or somesuch.
Fallout, innit?
Lone Wolf115
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No to all of it, she was trained to kill and with there numbers definitely not maybe one by one, like batman games or any other superhero game.
What makes the grass grow?
Blood blood blood.
Lone Wolf115
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No I was referring to Full Metal Jacket, no clue what you are talking about. I'm 18 so keep that in mind, if I don't get any of the things you reference.
Lone Wolf115
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I dont think Gywers sword even had a backside, arent most the swords double sided in this game lol, cant knock someone out with the sharp end of a completely sharp sword.
Single-edged swords are also not meant to be swung backwards, so even if Gweyr's sword had a dull side that really wouldn't be a reasonable solution. I know this may shock some of you to hear it but swords are balanced around the notion that the sharp end is going towards the enemy.
Lone Wolf115
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You want to knock out someone use the hilt, you know the bottom part @wery12345. I don't mean to sound like a dick, sorry.Single-edged swords are also not meant to be swung backwards, so even if Gweyr's sword had a dull side that really wouldn't be a reasonable solution. I know this may shock some of you to hear it but swords are balanced around the notion that the sharp end is going towards the enemy.
Why are you talking about the backside of the blade? Nobody else mentioned the backside of a sword, and Noodle's post specifically said the flat of the blade, not the backside. The big flat metal bit between the edge and the backside. Basically just wielding it like a cudgel.Single-edged swords are also not meant to be swung backwards, so even if Gweyr's sword had a dull side that really wouldn't be a reasonable solution. I know this may shock some of you to hear it but swords are balanced around the notion that the sharp end is going towards the enemy.
Lone Wolf115
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Idk, somehow the PC and crew spends the entire game non-lethally fighting things that are actually dangerous and not just a bunch of untrained kids. It kinda blunts the notion that Gweyr absolutely had no choice than to kill every single one of them. I feel like Gweyr made it pretty clear they were basically no threat to her several times, she just isn't the kind of person to spare people in the situation she was in.
Lone Wolf115
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The Champion is probably using dull blades and modified spells. It's also a game so it is what it is. Game logic don't argue with it.
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Yes, probably an artifact of game design, to allow for fucking every enemy possible.
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