The Amazon effects won't afflict Ditz Speech. Noticing that will ruin the relationship with increasing severity depending on when it happens. How severe I'm not sure yet, I haven't written for it so far.
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The Amazon effects won't afflict Ditz Speech. Noticing that will ruin the relationship with increasing severity depending on when it happens. How severe I'm not sure yet, I haven't written for it so far.
Amazon and Cum-Cow (kinda) can get you treated without bimbo speech. Though it does get weird with cum cow at times.
So from what it sounds like any type of full male treatment = go fuck yourself?? Which is cool and all I just want to make sure that there isn't even the tiniest loophole for me to exploit and that I don't accidentally gate myself out of anything once she's in game and I've gone though all the shits that come with making a new character.
Bull's can stack the most pheromone perks because they get Pheromone cloud and they can stack that with jungle queen scent, pheromone sweat, alphas scent and musky pheromones
Bianca is my first ever submission made up for TiTS. She's a Human, but modded. Fox ears, two fox tails, slitted, glowing purple eyes. She's a bombshell milf, 47-years old, and a wandering doctor. She experiences the planet rush perpendicular to the player.
She is not a futa. She has a pussy, loves taking knots, and has a lot of experience in pleasuring a partner male or female. However, her interactions are heavily restricted because of the specific vision I had in mind and her entire backstory, which I would implore anyone not to spoil for themselves. Bianca will never grow a dick. Maybe in a dream, though.
Dr. Ketria will never do taurs or goos, and I'm heavily leaning on no nagas but that can still change once I get to her sex content again. If you ever get drugged up badly enough to be considered a Bimbo/Bro, then you will wreck the relationship or prevent it from ever starting.
https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/part-1-submitted-dr-bianca-ketria-a-wandering-doctor-npc.13459/
So is her reaction dependent on the "treated" flag or the presence of Ditz/Bro Speech when you approach her? I'm pretty sure Cum Cows go back to the default speech pattern once they've ingested cum and achieve cosmo brain mode, so would they be able to interact with her as long as they were careful to keep their intelligence up whenever they approached her?
"Quick! I must leave before midnight lest I turn back into a bimbo!"
According to Jacques, that's exactly how it works. All I can write for is if Steele is a bimbo/bro at the time they encounter Bianca then they have uninhibited and tell-tale social signs that would give away something awful and lead to locking out her interactions for good.
If you make sure to suck down some jizz before meeting her each and every time then yeah, you'll pass yourself off as 'normal', enjoying some curious emergent gameplay...
edit: Getting messed up to the point you turn into a Bimbo etc is a serious and permanent repercussion, one that's not my call on curing. It's worth pointing out that Bianca is just a physician; a clinician and surgeon. She's neither therapist nor geneticist.
If you make sure to suck down some jizz before meeting her each and every time then yeah, you'll pass yourself off as 'normal', enjoying some curious emergent gameplay...
edit: Getting messed up to the point you turn into a Bimbo etc is a serious and permanent repercussion, one that's not my call on curing. It's worth pointing out that Bianca is just a physician; a clinician and surgeon. She's neither therapist nor geneticist.
Huh...I just had an interesting idea. What if you used Bianca as a way to remove the Ditz/Brute Speech perks from the PC? Personally, I'm a fan of a lot of the perks you get by being Treated, but I really can't stand making my more detailed characters talk like idiots (I wholeheartedly agree with Bianca that the idea of decreasing your intelligence to the point where you effectively change your sense of self is genuinely horrifying), so I tend to avoid the Treatment. Considering the fact that this character is a Doctor and dislikes that trait specifically, might it be possible to write a series of interactions in which she helps cure (either psychologically or physically. I don't claim to be an expect on space mods) the "ailment" if the player considers it such, which would finally result in the removal of the speech flag and no other changes? I'm not entirely sure how TiTS' code works, but on paper it seems like it wouldn't be too complicated and the interactions should fit the character pretty well. I realize this is definitely a random idea, but I thought it was worth putting out there.
Ditz/Brute Speech was always a weird thing for me to wrap my heard around because my characters intelligence remained at max but in the few scenes that acknowledge those perks its like he somehow forgot that he helps Olympia with quantum mechanics on a semi regular basis.
Yeah, the way brute speech is described and the way it's implemented are kind of inconsistent. It's basically described as you being kind of stoic but not unfriendly, but it's implemented like you're some idiot rude dudebro that gets mad when people don't immediately consent to sex
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I couldn't get a hold of Fen yesterday to talk about what may be the better way to track it. I haven't actually written anything down for the entire bimbo/bro tracking thing, but it will be easy to tack on whatever the goal is.
The original plan in Bianca's conception was to simply track if the PC was treated, but as I learned more and more about the game i determined that wasn't fair because like I said before Amazons aren't dumb, they're just big, fit smexy ladies -- and I might even have some // Amazon unique dialogue in the sex just to account for a couple things.
Bianca is heavily focused on being a 'pure' version of Steele and I fervently intend to stick to that idea. There's a lot of interesting detail in being a 'Cum Cow' as it is, what with the fact you can revert your ditziness by getting some spunk, but I don't know how well I could really track that and reference it... or if it's something that can be tracked as simply as being considered treated. I feel like that's grounds for not ruining the relationship.
Bianca's complex is strictly about characters that have lost all their rational faculties that Dumbfuck / standard Treatment represents, especially the treatment. That's part of her backstory and a lot of her motivations. Which is why determining how best to handle PCs that aren't fully 'lost' is important.
Fortunately, these questions can all be answered later, and I can continue just fine doing all the stuff that needs to be done for now. It really helps that Bianca only looks like a massive project, but she's really as uncomplicated as they come. Just tons of dialogue and moments that don't need to account for the PC much at all :V
The original plan in Bianca's conception was to simply track if the PC was treated, but as I learned more and more about the game i determined that wasn't fair because like I said before Amazons aren't dumb, they're just big, fit smexy ladies -- and I might even have some // Amazon unique dialogue in the sex just to account for a couple things.
Bianca is heavily focused on being a 'pure' version of Steele and I fervently intend to stick to that idea. There's a lot of interesting detail in being a 'Cum Cow' as it is, what with the fact you can revert your ditziness by getting some spunk, but I don't know how well I could really track that and reference it... or if it's something that can be tracked as simply as being considered treated. I feel like that's grounds for not ruining the relationship.
Bianca's complex is strictly about characters that have lost all their rational faculties that Dumbfuck / standard Treatment represents, especially the treatment. That's part of her backstory and a lot of her motivations. Which is why determining how best to handle PCs that aren't fully 'lost' is important.
Fortunately, these questions can all be answered later, and I can continue just fine doing all the stuff that needs to be done for now. It really helps that Bianca only looks like a massive project, but she's really as uncomplicated as they come. Just tons of dialogue and moments that don't need to account for the PC much at all :V
You can just use an is bimbo/bro check for the dumb4cum as long as you don't gain it from another source the ditz speech from dumb4cum can dissapear by drinking cum
...and before anyone asks, yes, you can get ditz speech a second time as a cum-cow from taking too much dumbfuck which leaves you in a permanent state of ditz speech no matter how much cum you ingest.
Stupid questions array:
1.How can I get the Roo's sex scenes? I won 3 full win streaks already and talked with her on topic Herself 7-10 times, talked about the boss and the casino aand notheng!
2. Her job topic is blocked even now.
1.How can I get the Roo's sex scenes? I won 3 full win streaks already and talked with her on topic Herself 7-10 times, talked about the boss and the casino aand notheng!
2. Her job topic is blocked even now.
The problem is - I already stripped her 2-3 times, but got nothing. Gonna try another time.
She needs to cum at least 3-4 times, then when you get a winning streak, a new talk option should be open "Fetish". Which should then get the option to have sex with her.
Yeah on the 4th time I finally got it, feeeww. The most rage inducing thing to get laid. Thou the writing is a top notch. Thanks, William.
Had some time to play around. Could only get one sire to show after repeat tries past 3 days and so forth. The other two were no shows. Also, the sneak BB option while on a visit, I'm assuming I have to preggo them for that?
I have been under the impression that the games lore clarifies that bimbofication doesn't actually reduce your intelligence at all, and that is very strictly how I roleplay my character, I certainly wish the writing wasn't so inconsistent, but that's an obvious side effect of the games design.
It's frustrating, because there is a large chunk of dialogue locked behind the "ditz" perk that I greatly enjoy, in quite a lot of scenes, bimbos get variations where they have higher stamina, better sexual talents, or unique scenes due to their sexual skills. It also changes a lot of flavour text to make your Steele behave in a more feminine, sultry manner (swaying when you walk, giggling instead of chuckling, bending at the waist instead of the knees). I honestly don't mind a valley girl accent either, within reason, as I don't believe an accent is indicative of intellect, nor is sexuality and intelligence somehow diametrically opposed.
Having a lot of content that I enjoy and personify my Steele with locked behind very inconsistent writing about intellect is frustrating, and there are very few scenes or dialogue that acknowledges smart bimbos (but weirdly, there are some).
It's also incredibly weird how Bro speech is so often correlated with similar dialogue, despite the fact the game explicitly states it has no impact on intelligence, and at most makes someone more stoic and less conversational. All of the initial transformation and dialogue is completely at odds with how it is used in game.
When in a side story a bimbo does a mathematical equation in her head so she can have sex, and then the game acts so inconsistent on whether bimbos are actually intelligent or not (I can roleplay some dialogue alterations as personality or lack of interest, but not all), it feels off.
The fact that Cumcows temporarily remove the perk also doesn't really make sense, because it removes all of the non intellect related flavour text, and locks you out of scenes involving sexual talent or stamina.
It's frustrating, because there is a large chunk of dialogue locked behind the "ditz" perk that I greatly enjoy, in quite a lot of scenes, bimbos get variations where they have higher stamina, better sexual talents, or unique scenes due to their sexual skills. It also changes a lot of flavour text to make your Steele behave in a more feminine, sultry manner (swaying when you walk, giggling instead of chuckling, bending at the waist instead of the knees). I honestly don't mind a valley girl accent either, within reason, as I don't believe an accent is indicative of intellect, nor is sexuality and intelligence somehow diametrically opposed.
Having a lot of content that I enjoy and personify my Steele with locked behind very inconsistent writing about intellect is frustrating, and there are very few scenes or dialogue that acknowledges smart bimbos (but weirdly, there are some).
It's also incredibly weird how Bro speech is so often correlated with similar dialogue, despite the fact the game explicitly states it has no impact on intelligence, and at most makes someone more stoic and less conversational. All of the initial transformation and dialogue is completely at odds with how it is used in game.
When in a side story a bimbo does a mathematical equation in her head so she can have sex, and then the game acts so inconsistent on whether bimbos are actually intelligent or not (I can roleplay some dialogue alterations as personality or lack of interest, but not all), it feels off.
The fact that Cumcows temporarily remove the perk also doesn't really make sense, because it removes all of the non intellect related flavour text, and locks you out of scenes involving sexual talent or stamina.
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A few months ago, Fen opted to respond to what the Treatment does in, his words, simply as possible.
- Makes you an optimist; galactically considered a cure for depression
- Makes you horny.
- Tanks inhibitions.
- Dials empathy way the fuck up, which couple with being a horny nympho, winds up coaxing you into wanting to get others off.
- Generally makes you come across as less intelligent because you're preoccupied with satisfying everyone than pondering deep thoughts.
- Literally grows the pleasure centers of your brain so you're capable of experiencing more enjoyment than normal people.
Everyone's interpretation is... boy, I wish I had Nonesuch's eloquence going this route, but everyone approaches this differently, and it's loosely tied together by what we all assume to be the case, and those assumptions are continually reinforced without strong guidelines and by simply reading what came before us.
But first, let me explain why the Bimbo part is muddied. You can end up that way from several sources, and some of them are much worse than others. The Treatment, naturally, has the highest chance of turning you into a Ditzy speaker. Dumbfuck is a drug that does some seriously scary stuff, and would be downright frightening in any other environment. In TiTS it follows the theme of "you end up being so stupid and drugged up you just act like a fool and want sex," but the implicit effect of the Treatment is you're not so far gone, yet they share the exact same result of turning you into a bimbo.
I have always written Bimbos, at the very least, to be extremely open and empathic, very keen on getting dick (and if not, pussy's the next amazing thing), trying to keep in line with the undergirding theme that you have suffered something that, at the end of the day, has scrambled your genome and brain to the edge of known science for the sake of making you an absolute slut. Bros are probably the least explained and understood thing to anyone not Fen, at least that's the idea I get, and I've written for them solely based on what I've seen in other docs, and I interpret them to be Johnny Bravo-esque with the whole New Texas thing going on.
And then you see the issue that comes from that. A New Texas Bull (very much a Bro) sounds much, much different from a man who takes Dumbfuck and turns into... well, who knows?
I seriously try to avoid making Bimbos sound or act blatantly stupid, but we are not writing for anyone's given character, we are writing for Captain Steele, and Captain Steele, generally speaking, after going through these motions to become something like that, has specific mannerisms that we've all sort of silently agreed on. That is, a total love for sex in any form, very little awareness or inhibition, and a carefree and casual disregard for the concept of depravity.
To that extent, for Bianca, it's the mannerisms unique to Bimbo/Bro Steeles that will set her off. That's what her backstory and motivations were tuned to. I can assure you that her character doesn't lock because she considers you stupid, but because of what you become that reminds her of something painful. Those mannerisms remind her of something similar that was an exceedingly awful experience.
edit: As an addendum, coming back to this a bit later, the ultimate point is that your stats are separate from your social alignment. Kind, Mischievous, and Hard are what you can choose from and lean on as a scale of Steele's outlook and perspective. These checks come almost always at the start of any given scene prompted by the player. Bimbo/Bro, aside from the sexual characteristics, are simply overriding personalities, and that's all they should be. That's what I treat them as in all social scenarios.
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Wow, thank you for that incredibly detailed write up William, it was kind of you. It's interesting to hear Fen actually spoke about it, hearing proper info about the Treatment like that, actually allows me to enjoy it and the content it provides a lot more.
The Dumbfuck codex seems to make a point of clarifying that it doesn't appear to reduce intelligence, but rather the unique brain chemistry makes people (on average at least) drift towards different priorities, it also included the example of the woman who was able to become a lead in her scientific field irrelevant of the drug.
So supposedly in some ways similar to the Treatment, although perhaps more directly invasive and mostly lacking in clear communication and consent beforehand. But this is complicated by characters like Mitzi, because it's often hard to tell if she is willingly roleplaying or embracing a certain role in life because she passionately enjoys it (perhaps more than her previous career in engineering), or if she is directly prevented or hindered. At some points she is deceptively aware and incisive, even as she actively degrades herself, and she is able to do some surprising things in her efforts to openly and emphatically please Steele.
If the way the Treatment is described is accurate, that is (in the context of a fantasy world) a lot less upsetting and ominous than subtext sometimes implies it could possibly be. I wouldn't necessarily call it suffering, and at the end of the day, you are still a human (or the alien humanoid equivalent), and still yourself, and I don't believe (or at least hope), than you retain your sense of self identity and individuality as a person. Lore wise, the Treatment also adapts uniquely to each person, so their might be some form of underlying subconscious adaption or alteration based on a persons inner desires and thought processes. I don't believe that a greater inclination towards empathy and arousal would extinguish a persons self agency or control, so hopefully New Texas isn't hiding a terrible secret underneath the bear statue.
I wouldn't put a lack of awareness and inhibition in tangent, a lack of inhibition isn't at all a necessarily bad or shameful thing, and I don't think a sexual and empathetic person would necessarily be less perceptive or acknowledging or their situation or surroundings. They might not directly respond to an insult by a judgmental npc, but I would like to think that comes from a place of self confidence, positivity, and a desire to be sympathetic even to those hostile or degrading. In a few scenes, "bimbo" characters seems very thoughtful about what other characters are feeling and thinking, which I enjoy.
It is really interesting to see the balance of allowing player individuality and a consistent writing direction for different creators, even if authors predetermine aspects of Steele, there is still a good amount of player agency and flexibility, and with death of the author, a lot of room to interpret intent and personality in different ways.
It is very reasonable for npc's to have their own beliefs and preferences, at most I would hope that your character has the option or possibility to be apologetic for upsetting them, and respectful of their decisions or interests.
Thank you again William, it was interesting to get some insight, best of luck with your writing.
The Dumbfuck codex seems to make a point of clarifying that it doesn't appear to reduce intelligence, but rather the unique brain chemistry makes people (on average at least) drift towards different priorities, it also included the example of the woman who was able to become a lead in her scientific field irrelevant of the drug.
So supposedly in some ways similar to the Treatment, although perhaps more directly invasive and mostly lacking in clear communication and consent beforehand. But this is complicated by characters like Mitzi, because it's often hard to tell if she is willingly roleplaying or embracing a certain role in life because she passionately enjoys it (perhaps more than her previous career in engineering), or if she is directly prevented or hindered. At some points she is deceptively aware and incisive, even as she actively degrades herself, and she is able to do some surprising things in her efforts to openly and emphatically please Steele.
If the way the Treatment is described is accurate, that is (in the context of a fantasy world) a lot less upsetting and ominous than subtext sometimes implies it could possibly be. I wouldn't necessarily call it suffering, and at the end of the day, you are still a human (or the alien humanoid equivalent), and still yourself, and I don't believe (or at least hope), than you retain your sense of self identity and individuality as a person. Lore wise, the Treatment also adapts uniquely to each person, so their might be some form of underlying subconscious adaption or alteration based on a persons inner desires and thought processes. I don't believe that a greater inclination towards empathy and arousal would extinguish a persons self agency or control, so hopefully New Texas isn't hiding a terrible secret underneath the bear statue.
I wouldn't put a lack of awareness and inhibition in tangent, a lack of inhibition isn't at all a necessarily bad or shameful thing, and I don't think a sexual and empathetic person would necessarily be less perceptive or acknowledging or their situation or surroundings. They might not directly respond to an insult by a judgmental npc, but I would like to think that comes from a place of self confidence, positivity, and a desire to be sympathetic even to those hostile or degrading. In a few scenes, "bimbo" characters seems very thoughtful about what other characters are feeling and thinking, which I enjoy.
It is really interesting to see the balance of allowing player individuality and a consistent writing direction for different creators, even if authors predetermine aspects of Steele, there is still a good amount of player agency and flexibility, and with death of the author, a lot of room to interpret intent and personality in different ways.
It is very reasonable for npc's to have their own beliefs and preferences, at most I would hope that your character has the option or possibility to be apologetic for upsetting them, and respectful of their decisions or interests.
Thank you again William, it was interesting to get some insight, best of luck with your writing.
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