I see a lot of hate for the kitsune in the gripes thread and I don't really get why, It might be because I haven't been on the forums enough to get the context but all the kitsune scenes I've seen in game (admittedly not that many, I've only just got to the den) seem decently written. Is there something I'm missing?
Why do a lot of people dislike the kitsune so much?
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TheShepard256
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It's not the quality of their writing, it's the content. Their culture is quite xenophobic and isolationist by CoC2 standards, and incredibly inflexible; no matter how much you do for and/or try to integrate with the kitsune den, you'll always be looked down upon as an outsider (and becoming a kitsune through soulbinding only partially mitigates that), which is only made worse if you get emotionally involved with Kiyoko and/or your children with her before finding the den. There's also the fact that they're almost entirely disconnected from the rest of the game's world, which may produce a feeling that they don't belong in the game as a whole.
I think it's interesting to note that of the least criticised (at least, from what I can remember) kitsune, Kohaku is of a profession that's looked down upon by kitsune society (i.e. merchant) and Tetsuya, Kurako and Hatsumomo aren't written by The Observer (who wrote most of the kitsune; the only other non-Tobs kitsune I know of, Takahiro, is from an author known for making controversial characters anyways). I say "least criticised" instead of "most popular" because Kiyoko is probably the most popular kitsune, but not everyone has a positive opinion of her (my opinion of her has definitely decreased over time).
I think it's interesting to note that of the least criticised (at least, from what I can remember) kitsune, Kohaku is of a profession that's looked down upon by kitsune society (i.e. merchant) and Tetsuya, Kurako and Hatsumomo aren't written by The Observer (who wrote most of the kitsune; the only other non-Tobs kitsune I know of, Takahiro, is from an author known for making controversial characters anyways). I say "least criticised" instead of "most popular" because Kiyoko is probably the most popular kitsune, but not everyone has a positive opinion of her (my opinion of her has definitely decreased over time).
I mean, they're based on Japanese culture, which is still in many ways like this...
My main 3 gripes are are:
Nearly no player agency. I like the bit when Kiyoko is imprisoned and champ can help and influence things a bit, but after freeing her it kinda goes down for me.
And the whole den area feels like DLC content. It's so disconnected from main plot. Even taking isolationism and xenophobia into account, there is a limit how isolationist you can be when demons are corrupting area around you.
And finally it's not really champions story, it's Kinus. It would be fine if it was some side game, but as it is now it kinda feels off.
Nearly no player agency. I like the bit when Kiyoko is imprisoned and champ can help and influence things a bit, but after freeing her it kinda goes down for me.
And the whole den area feels like DLC content. It's so disconnected from main plot. Even taking isolationism and xenophobia into account, there is a limit how isolationist you can be when demons are corrupting area around you.
And finally it's not really champions story, it's Kinus. It would be fine if it was some side game, but as it is now it kinda feels off.
I'm personally not at all interested in the Kitsune content. None of it at all is my bag, so I usually avoid it other than the necessary quest stuff for Evergreen. More than a little sad that some good kit is gated behind interacting with it.
Even so, I do have to admit to being confused as to why so many people show an open dislike for it though. IRL for many cultures you are likely to be an eternal outsider if you are not born into it. Depending on the politics of your country, you can be an eternal outsider even when you're born "INTO" a culture but have an unaccepted ancestral origin. Really just what it feels like to be an ever-outsider.
That said, I think its a bit strange that there's so much hate here for the Kitsune Den, though I suppose its more understandable if you're judging by CoCII standards where everyone kind of welcomes you with open arms and sometimes legs.
In the defense of the presence of the Xenophobia though, the codex makes the pretense of invoking real life historical examples and political bodies - so the kitsune track with IRL historical precedent.
It also seems to me that dislike of the content is really dislike for ToBS rather than the content itself, and that seems to be evident in forum posts. Don't know what kind of politics caused that friction - and I won't ask.
@Necros 's explanation of the story not being the champion's also makes sense to me though.
Even so, I do have to admit to being confused as to why so many people show an open dislike for it though. IRL for many cultures you are likely to be an eternal outsider if you are not born into it. Depending on the politics of your country, you can be an eternal outsider even when you're born "INTO" a culture but have an unaccepted ancestral origin. Really just what it feels like to be an ever-outsider.
That said, I think its a bit strange that there's so much hate here for the Kitsune Den, though I suppose its more understandable if you're judging by CoCII standards where everyone kind of welcomes you with open arms and sometimes legs.
In the defense of the presence of the Xenophobia though, the codex makes the pretense of invoking real life historical examples and political bodies - so the kitsune track with IRL historical precedent.
It also seems to me that dislike of the content is really dislike for ToBS rather than the content itself, and that seems to be evident in forum posts. Don't know what kind of politics caused that friction - and I won't ask.
@Necros 's explanation of the story not being the champion's also makes sense to me though.
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For me personally, the further the content with kitsune developed, the more it felt like Tobs was writing some sort of story of his own, separate from the rest of the game's plot. And we as Champ are not needed in that story.
I already made a joke about this in the gripes thread, but seriously, he should be writing his own novel, not content for the game.
I already made a joke about this in the gripes thread, but seriously, he should be writing his own novel, not content for the game.
you know, what I don't get is why you seem think that it happening IRL and those cultures simply "being the way that they are" somehow makes it okay and people just shouldn't have a problem with being ostracized. Because y'know, it's not like people who are ostracized in real life have ever complained about it.
@TheShepard256 and @Medge hit the nail on the head, it's that dissonance between two contrasting cultures that plays a major part in it. Whilst i personally think alot of the hatred towards the Kitsune is over-exaggerated, i'd be lying if i didn't see where its coming from.
I see your response and raise you a question. Where did I say that it was acceptable behavior?
No Futa Kitsune, so after trying out the content in one playthrough I don't bother beyond doing Evergreen's quest. Don't care much for cock obsessed Kiyoko, don't like adult Kinu so most of the time I don't bother with the orb. All the available ladies I have tried out but I still prefer my bedicked ladies.
The only Kitsune I would like to fk is the granny.
The only Kitsune I would like to fk is the granny.
Since I have gotten no answer to the question, and no acknowledgement whatsoever that my words have been misread, the thread has therefore not been tied up. Let me make this unambiguous. I am making an observation that a behavior is widespread and exists. I am not making a defense of the behavior. If you believe otherwise, please quote clip what you're reading.
You have no idea what my experiences are and where I fall on that spectrum of outsider versus insider. It may even be possible that I bring it up specifically because I have had to be aware of how the dynamic works. I may even find it useful if a game gives an illustration for people who have never had to deal with it so that they might say 'This is awful. Why would I do it to anyone else?'.
Or you know. Maybe saying something exists is automatically a justification for it.
You still would think they'd treat you much better after a stranger kicks in their door and hands them their asses.
while you didn't say that exactly your confusion at peoples dislike of the kitsune content suggests that you don't see a problem with it. and the way you brought up the IRL precedent for it gives the impression that you're trying to defend the behavior.
If a stranger kicked down my door and whooped my ass, i'd feel resentment, even if it later turns out to be a misunderstanding. I suspect the kitsune feel the same way.
I wasn't assuming anything about you or your experiences nor did I state at any point that having cultural ostacization in the game was unjustified and I'm sorry that my internet is slow and I can't get out replies as fast as I would like but please don't assume things and put words in my mouth.
What I'm saying is people are not in any way wrong for having animosity for a group that paints them as outcasts. there is nothing stange about deeply disliking a culture that makes a person feel bad for being who they are.
Looking over the post, given specifically the sentence order of the second paragraph, I can see the misread.
Let me clarify. I have not been heavily engaged in the forums until recently. Coming back from the break I see a lot of hate for the Kitsune. I don't have a lot of background on people's issues with ToBs, nor do I care to kick that hornets nest. Xenophobia is mentioned as the primary reason people dislike it, so that thread was the most immediate in my mind and the first thing to address.
What I want to get at more specifically is that critiquing the fact that it exists by itself is unfair in a game that makes overt gestures at an internal history like ours. People citing xenophobia as a reason to hate the content need to either dig deeper into why it bothers them, or address the fact that this is how many people experience the real world and its not an abnormal thing. I think making people confront those realities is one of the useful things about fiction.
You'll forgive me for thinking you were putting words into mine.
I've gotta leave for a while, but no harm no foul.
It not fully going away even after soul-binding is mainly my sticking point. Feeling resentment is fine, but they seem to hardly move past any of it. Maybe future content will fix that.
Alright, you have a point with them not moving past it even if you try your hardest to amend the fences. I'm hoping for future developments to address that too, in all honesty.
Altough, i retain my stance on them resenting the champion right after their gunboat diplomacy stunt making complete and total sense.
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Its really not that deep, people don't like being discriminated against for obvious reasons, especially by people that you're trying to help and who really come across as ungrateful dicks no matter how much you do for them. I don't see what digging would need to be done on this score, the reason they hate it is obvious. You can dress it up all you want but its really that simple. I've seen nobody on here deny that xenophobia is a real thing that people experience in the world so I don't know where that's coming from either, I don't think anyone on here is unaware of that. I get making people confront uncomfortable truths but is a hentai game really the best place to do that? People play games for escapism and porn games specifically to get off, not to be treated like a filthy gaijin by weeb foxes.
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You're not making a defense of the real world behavior, but you are making a defense of the Kitsune content heavily involving the ostracization and othering of the player character, as shown here:
As you say, you're confused as to why people dislike the Kitsune content because of that ostracization, and your immediate follow-up is that real world cultures will also be racist and xenophobic. I don't think anybody said you liked it happening irl, but it's kinda odd that, as a counter to people's dislike of the material, you cite real world xenophobia, something which I'd expect most people who dislike the kitsune content would also agree is bad and would likely lead to them having a dislike of the xenophobic culture if they were interacting with people from said culture.
Given your original statements, do you think that people analyzing why they hate being discriminated against for factors they can't handle, even when they go as far as to get a god to completely rewrite the essence of their being to try to fit in, is going to make them dislike the discrimination less? Because again, you brought up the real world xenophobia in the context of not understanding why people dislike the Kitsune for being xenophobic.
I took interest a while ago when I was more of a adamant Tobs disliker to gather some posts that explain some of Tobs thinking and reasons for his actions. I'm much more neutral now, so ill share what I have left but be warned some of these are several years old so his opinions might have changed or the work in question might have changed.
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
To make this somewhat about the foxes I'll say my biggest two Problems currently with the foxes is that there is no clear path forward to get them to like you more and that the content needs to be touched up to incorporate alt champion personality's but I think that about most of the game as it stands. I'll also say that giving people the feeling of being otherised is not the best thing to make people feel when reading a game like this.
I do find it comically ironic that the exiles from the Homeland still maintain the cultural view against outsiders. You'd think they'd have a more cavalier approach to people generally more accepting than them. The only actual justification for their view being the fox-morphs that take their own views to its most extreme.
Everyone that opposes the Kitsune have to be the most over the top villains to make 'em look better in comparison.
Be it the non-weeb foxes who are complete fucking psychopaths or Evergreen who is clearly and unsubtly eeeeeeeee~vil from the second you can browse around her home and offspring.
This, this is the clearest and most straightforward explanation of what is wrong with the Kitsune and has been from the very start.
Years ago mentioned this point; its almost like the Kitsune and their treehouse want to be their own complete story totally separate from the actual game as a whole, with the absolutely ridiculous contrivances (ripped off directly from Fire Emblem, the same place her name comes from) involved to age-up Kinu and make her the protagonist.
That in-turn leads to the lack of player agency, the writing of those scenes seems to almost actively take umbrage at the fact your player character is 'intruding' onto these events with your much more important overarching plot.
As much as I like the Kitsune content, I would like them to take an interest in the rising demon army that will inevitably come for them if left unchecked. Their placement in the world complicates that, imo. Being between Hawkethorne and The Winter City doesn't exactly leave much wiggle room outside of a direct invasion lead by Kas herself. Anything less would be an exercise in futility.
For me, it's a couple of things. First, as others have pointed out the kitsune are xenophobic and isolationist which also causes them to come across as taking an attitude of superiority to others. Add in the fact that they feed on the lifeforce of other races. Yes, they need to in order to survive, but when coupled with their attitude of superiority makes them seem downright sinister, like they believe themselves to be above everyone else in the food chain.
The second, I suppose, has to do with Tobs' writing style. In my opinion, when interacting with the kitsune the narrative often tells me how the champ feels about people or events rather than letting me decide how they feel. I find it jarring and the feeling of the loss of agency rubs me the wrong way. And since most of Tobs' writing involves the kitsune it reduces my interest in them significantly.
Everyone basically hit the nail on the head. Kitsunes have an isolationist culture and no matter how respected or esteemed you are, you will always be an outsider. Their culture can also be irritatingly inflexible and stiff. Keep in mind that this an exile colony filled with radicals. Takahiro is essentially the most traditional and even he is less stiff the some on the mainland.
There is also the fact that they kind of sort of screwed over the druids, but it's more complicated than that.
Additionally, a lot of people's opinions on kitsunes are based in part on their opinion of Kiyoko. Kiyoko is many things, but perfect is not one of them. Some people think that her flaws make her endearing and relatable while others think that they make her annoying and detestable.
Personally, one of my gripes is that they constantly refer to themselves as monsters. Look, you have to have other beings' energy to survive, you are not stealing their life or soul.
All in all, I still like the kitsune content and it is one of my favorite parts of the game.
There is also the fact that they kind of sort of screwed over the druids, but it's more complicated than that.
Additionally, a lot of people's opinions on kitsunes are based in part on their opinion of Kiyoko. Kiyoko is many things, but perfect is not one of them. Some people think that her flaws make her endearing and relatable while others think that they make her annoying and detestable.
Personally, one of my gripes is that they constantly refer to themselves as monsters. Look, you have to have other beings' energy to survive, you are not stealing their life or soul.
All in all, I still like the kitsune content and it is one of my favorite parts of the game.
1. "You made me do it"
If you don't feed them in the wild they frame it not as them being the ones who choose to assault you but that you are in fact the one who forced them to resort to violence.
2. "I'm making it your problem"
Their entire existence in the Frostwood. Their dietary requirements mean that if others don't bend over backwards to accommodate them they will go insane and perform a bit of the old ultraviolence on them. Also invoking the "You made me do it".
3. The content
3.1 You can go there with the amulet and lose to Azami to get sent directly to Komari and everyone will still treat you the same as they would if you had cleaned house on Evergreen's orders.
3.2 The smut bounces between faceless male and blushing virgin boy.
3.3 TObs writing in general reads like a book I don't like and if I was in the mood to read a book I don't like I would just pick up some my required reading from high school.
3.4 "The tree with hundreds of 19th century japanese people" feels jarringly clashy with the rest of the setting.
3.5 The structure that only functions if champ acts a certain way and the putting of words in mouths and lack of player agency etc etc.
3.6 etc
Etc
Edit: Also hate preg.
If you don't feed them in the wild they frame it not as them being the ones who choose to assault you but that you are in fact the one who forced them to resort to violence.
2. "I'm making it your problem"
Their entire existence in the Frostwood. Their dietary requirements mean that if others don't bend over backwards to accommodate them they will go insane and perform a bit of the old ultraviolence on them. Also invoking the "You made me do it".
3. The content
3.1 You can go there with the amulet and lose to Azami to get sent directly to Komari and everyone will still treat you the same as they would if you had cleaned house on Evergreen's orders.
3.2 The smut bounces between faceless male and blushing virgin boy.
3.3 TObs writing in general reads like a book I don't like and if I was in the mood to read a book I don't like I would just pick up some my required reading from high school.
3.4 "The tree with hundreds of 19th century japanese people" feels jarringly clashy with the rest of the setting.
3.5 The structure that only functions if champ acts a certain way and the putting of words in mouths and lack of player agency etc etc.
3.6 etc
Etc
Edit: Also hate preg.
I had a veritable book written, but I want to at least try to keep this shorter than it was.
@Tide Hunter You've got my reading mostly right. When I originally posted, I thought that that people would chime in explaining the problems with the Kitsune content, since in my mind the Xenophobia is explained by the worldbuilding of the setting, which is what I was articulating. Thank you to forum goers that have explained what they don't like about the Kitsune in more detail.
This game seems to take the task of worldbuilding very seriously. Just take a look at codex entry for races, specifically the history parts of them. It has used real world parallels to fuel its worldbuilding. So I'm not surprised to see a xenophobic/isolationist faction. There are factions that hate Boreal elves for example and they say that very clearly in game. Xenophobia is already in the game with or without the Kitsune. Its just not directed explicitly at the PC. The game was never fully disconnected from the nastiness of the real world and history has explicitly inspired it. I am not mounting a defense of any of it. I do find it interesting what bad things players do and don't flag in relation to real-world parallels. The game starts with a woman being kidnapped by a sex cult and a central character kills so many of a village's young people that she's exiled with the expectation that she will die of exposure in the frigid cold. The game doesn't just say this either, you play it. It's perfectly reasonable to be turned off by the xenophobia and find that reason enough to dislike the content. I just assumed that there was much more I had to be missing given the rest of this context.
@TheIrishOtaku Speaking of horrors in the game, I invite you to read the codex for the Taeleer - another bit of horror with real-world parallels. To be frank, I don't like the entry. I'm not sure the author considered the type of backlash politics it would have. There would almost certainly be a faction hellbent on destroying any remnant of the Belharan empire out of revenge, but animosity isn't even mentioned as a possibility. Like the fallout politics were never considered. In fact they are culturally just said to mirror Belhar as though there would not be a movement to return to what was remembered pre-enslavement and reject everything from Belhar. I hate - and i mean despise - the casual thoughtlessness of the entry.
But it does represent consistent world-building from the authors, and I am so thoroughly used to the fiction I consume being written without the point of view I represent in mind, that I can shrug my shoulders and move on. Its how I have to engage with pretty much all media. There's a lot i could nit-pick. But life is short and you learn to pick your battles. To you its unacceptable that people in the game consider you an outsider no matter what you do. Yea, it sucks. To me, that's Tuesday. Most escapism including porn is similarly indifferent to my personal politics, and people like myself are so thoroughly habituated to casual frustration that Its usually not worthy of mention. I don't say that as a woe is me moment. I say that to illustrate that not everyone has the same relationship even to the "escapism" that we consume. There are people who will have good reason to call out the things that I will personally gloss over too. The Kitsune don't stand out as particularly remarkable. I didn't even register their xenophobia in my playthroughs, which is partially why I was curious about reception of them here on the forum
Digging deeper would be saying something like: It can't be the case that mere real-world nastiness is the problem with the Kitsune in and of itself, since that type of material is all over the gameworld and the sections that include it don't get nearly as much flack. Why is that?
That's a rhetorical question. Don't @ me. I'm only here because I was called to account for interpretations of my comments. I do not have the time or energy to litigate this all day. I don't mean any of what I'm saying as callout. My frame of reference is observation and reflection rather than tear-down. Having read through some of the ToBs posts provided by Resewar, I'm under the impression that the tone of his responses are as much responsible for the sour milk as the Kitsune themselves. Showing contempt for your readerbase, no matter the reasoning behind it, is likely to turn people off. He did not mince words but he did say what I've been saying. The game is clearly drawing from the real world and invoking parts of it in no uncertain terms. Anything else is picking and choosing what we will and will not tolerate - which is a hard conversation but not an unworthy one. It tells us a lot about ourselves and is another useful thing about fiction. Where is that line drawn and why? Again. Rhetorical. This question will not be on the test.
@Tide Hunter You've got my reading mostly right. When I originally posted, I thought that that people would chime in explaining the problems with the Kitsune content, since in my mind the Xenophobia is explained by the worldbuilding of the setting, which is what I was articulating. Thank you to forum goers that have explained what they don't like about the Kitsune in more detail.
This game seems to take the task of worldbuilding very seriously. Just take a look at codex entry for races, specifically the history parts of them. It has used real world parallels to fuel its worldbuilding. So I'm not surprised to see a xenophobic/isolationist faction. There are factions that hate Boreal elves for example and they say that very clearly in game. Xenophobia is already in the game with or without the Kitsune. Its just not directed explicitly at the PC. The game was never fully disconnected from the nastiness of the real world and history has explicitly inspired it. I am not mounting a defense of any of it. I do find it interesting what bad things players do and don't flag in relation to real-world parallels. The game starts with a woman being kidnapped by a sex cult and a central character kills so many of a village's young people that she's exiled with the expectation that she will die of exposure in the frigid cold. The game doesn't just say this either, you play it. It's perfectly reasonable to be turned off by the xenophobia and find that reason enough to dislike the content. I just assumed that there was much more I had to be missing given the rest of this context.
@TheIrishOtaku Speaking of horrors in the game, I invite you to read the codex for the Taeleer - another bit of horror with real-world parallels. To be frank, I don't like the entry. I'm not sure the author considered the type of backlash politics it would have. There would almost certainly be a faction hellbent on destroying any remnant of the Belharan empire out of revenge, but animosity isn't even mentioned as a possibility. Like the fallout politics were never considered. In fact they are culturally just said to mirror Belhar as though there would not be a movement to return to what was remembered pre-enslavement and reject everything from Belhar. I hate - and i mean despise - the casual thoughtlessness of the entry.
But it does represent consistent world-building from the authors, and I am so thoroughly used to the fiction I consume being written without the point of view I represent in mind, that I can shrug my shoulders and move on. Its how I have to engage with pretty much all media. There's a lot i could nit-pick. But life is short and you learn to pick your battles. To you its unacceptable that people in the game consider you an outsider no matter what you do. Yea, it sucks. To me, that's Tuesday. Most escapism including porn is similarly indifferent to my personal politics, and people like myself are so thoroughly habituated to casual frustration that Its usually not worthy of mention. I don't say that as a woe is me moment. I say that to illustrate that not everyone has the same relationship even to the "escapism" that we consume. There are people who will have good reason to call out the things that I will personally gloss over too. The Kitsune don't stand out as particularly remarkable. I didn't even register their xenophobia in my playthroughs, which is partially why I was curious about reception of them here on the forum
Digging deeper would be saying something like: It can't be the case that mere real-world nastiness is the problem with the Kitsune in and of itself, since that type of material is all over the gameworld and the sections that include it don't get nearly as much flack. Why is that?
That's a rhetorical question. Don't @ me. I'm only here because I was called to account for interpretations of my comments. I do not have the time or energy to litigate this all day. I don't mean any of what I'm saying as callout. My frame of reference is observation and reflection rather than tear-down. Having read through some of the ToBs posts provided by Resewar, I'm under the impression that the tone of his responses are as much responsible for the sour milk as the Kitsune themselves. Showing contempt for your readerbase, no matter the reasoning behind it, is likely to turn people off. He did not mince words but he did say what I've been saying. The game is clearly drawing from the real world and invoking parts of it in no uncertain terms. Anything else is picking and choosing what we will and will not tolerate - which is a hard conversation but not an unworthy one. It tells us a lot about ourselves and is another useful thing about fiction. Where is that line drawn and why? Again. Rhetorical. This question will not be on the test.
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To take a blind shot at answering the original post. And not participate in discourse that continues to cyclicly return now and again of the course of many actual years:
People prefer Tolkien-esque levels of racial tension and diversity. Where it is often present (read elves vs Dwarves. Orcs vs anything.) but not explored in its entirety, or done realistically.
People would rather have non-realistic one-off quips that showcase "hi, I'm a racist against X" instead of the true portrayal of what that would ACTUALLY look like if it was something that was culturally ingrained.
TheObserver is successful in creating an group that is grossly prejudiced against outsiders, and FEELS like it. As pointed many, many, many times before, you can never feel like you "Belong" and even when their Literal God makes you their Champion in his image, they STILL can't fully accept you as one of their own.
THATS what racism is, and feels like. And as someone ethnic in America, this is 100% actually accurate to what it looks like and what it FEELS like.
The point is to make you uncomfortable. And hell, maybe you suck it up for all the unique items and you leave them alone forever. Or maybe you won't bother with the content in the first place.
Either is perfectly fine, because at the end of the day: The Kitsune are Never Going To Change. They themselves believe them to be ageless, beyond change, a perfectly preserved microcosm of their species. Which is ironic, considering Kohaku pregnancy content, but that bit of self discovery will be long in the making.
If you can somehow fix the Police State issue is America, you will find a solution to the Kitsune Problem.
Until then, hate the content, not the writer.
People prefer Tolkien-esque levels of racial tension and diversity. Where it is often present (read elves vs Dwarves. Orcs vs anything.) but not explored in its entirety, or done realistically.
People would rather have non-realistic one-off quips that showcase "hi, I'm a racist against X" instead of the true portrayal of what that would ACTUALLY look like if it was something that was culturally ingrained.
TheObserver is successful in creating an group that is grossly prejudiced against outsiders, and FEELS like it. As pointed many, many, many times before, you can never feel like you "Belong" and even when their Literal God makes you their Champion in his image, they STILL can't fully accept you as one of their own.
THATS what racism is, and feels like. And as someone ethnic in America, this is 100% actually accurate to what it looks like and what it FEELS like.
The point is to make you uncomfortable. And hell, maybe you suck it up for all the unique items and you leave them alone forever. Or maybe you won't bother with the content in the first place.
Either is perfectly fine, because at the end of the day: The Kitsune are Never Going To Change. They themselves believe them to be ageless, beyond change, a perfectly preserved microcosm of their species. Which is ironic, considering Kohaku pregnancy content, but that bit of self discovery will be long in the making.
If you can somehow fix the Police State issue is America, you will find a solution to the Kitsune Problem.
Until then, hate the content, not the writer.
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