What is your gender?

[Kesil]

guys ask me out and ive told them im a lesbian yet they keep going like theyll somehow change my mind and so i dont even bother telling them im agender at that point.

But the question is... are you attracted to males? Whatever you think yourself of does not have to correlate with what you're attracted to. This reminds me of the genderbread person.

It attemps to concientize about how too liberal governments (specially on Spain and Germany) are trying to force sex-education programs in children too young to understand them.

I don't know about Germany schooling systems and how they're affected by the government, but the idea of Spanish Popular Party (the one in power now) forcing sex-ed programs on anyone sounds about as likely as Fenoxo loathing horsecocks all of a sudden. Rumours about Mariano Rajoy be damned.

Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance, my ideas on transexuality, gender issues and minors and lobby fighting between those attention whores known as Jack Johnson and John Jackson are a different beast, though. Selling popcorn has never been so profitable.

 

[magikarpfever]

But the question is... are you attracted to males? Whatever you think yourself of does not have to correlate with what you're attracted to. This reminds me of the genderbread person.

well i mean a said im a lesbian so no i am not attracted to males. the point i was getting at was my gender makes things hard especially when it comes to romantic relations. and ya i know what the genderbread person is. we used it for a regional meeting for a glsen meet.

 

[Coalsack]

Spain has awful laws about gender equality, such as the infamous Law of Gender Violence, that gives to all females a law-granted victory in a custody trial, and makes all males culprit until proven otherwise in an agression/harassment/etc in any acussation done by a woman. And Spain's cancer is Pablo Iglesias and his parasitic crew, not the PP, as corrupt and lazy as it may be.

Puting political nonsense aside, I simply find appropiate that if LGBT people demands rights, respect and "safe-spaces", they also should grant the rest of people rights, respect and the same amount of "safe-spaces".

 

[magikarpfever]

Spain has awful laws about gender equality, such as the infamous Law of Gender Violence, that gives to all females a law-granted victory in a custody trial, and makes all males culprit until proven otherwise in an agression/harassment/etc in any acussation done by a woman. And Spain's cancer is Pablo Iglesias and his parasitic crew, not the PP, as corrupt and lazy as it may be.

Puting political nonsense aside, I simply find appropiate that if LGBT people demands rights, respect and "safe-spaces", they also should grant the rest of people rights, respect and the same amount of "safe-spaces".

but does that train of thought also allow hate groups like nazis a safe space?

 

[Coalsack]

In a ideal world, radicalized sides wouldn't exist. Sadly that isn't truth, but you can always focus on the reasonable parts of each group.

 

[magikarpfever]

In a ideal world, radicalized sides wouldn't exist. Sadly that isn't truth, but you can always focus on the reasonable parts of each group.

i dont think there is a reasonable part of a group like nazis and white supremacists tbh

 

[Coalsack]

Fair enough. But you can find people equally hostile in the LGBT groups, and good luck trying to reason with them and their double moral.

 

[magikarpfever]

Fair enough. But you can find people equally hostile in the LGBT groups.

ive never once met an lgbtqia person who was hostile. at all. yet we have groups like white supremacists harrassing and killing people.

 

[Coalsack]

Lucky you, then. I've seen plenty of them, and they range from simply ridiculous to outright dangerous. Their behaviour speaks ill of the rest of the members of the comunity. I believe that if hey didn't act in that noxious way, those 'supremacists' would have much less arguments to defend their points, or they claim would be ignored.

 

[magikarpfever]

Lucky you, then. I've seen plenty of them, and they range from simply ridiculous to outright dangerous. Their behaviour speaks ill of the rest of the members of the comunity. I believe that if hey didn't act in that noxious way, those 'supremacists' would have much less arguments to defend their points, or they claim would be ignored.

that doesnt make any sense. if someone is dying you call the 911 even if that person called you a poopy head in first grade. likewise if a nonbinary person is snooty that doesnt give a white supremacist the right to harass them. what white supremacists do is there fault. anyone who is african american or part of the lgbtqia community is not at fault for a white supremacist's actions.. dont victim blame the victims.

 

[Coalsack]

Huh, seems like you're not getting my point anytime soon. Sad thing is that people from the community usually find emphatizing from non-LGBT people quite hard. And there's the abnormality of me, someone that, as I said, in a normal situation, should support the LGBT groups, is here playing devil's advocate. I don't know if laugh, cry or hid under a doorframe if another earthquake comes tonight.

 

[magikarpfever]

Huh, seems like you're not getting my point anytime soon. Sad thing is that people from the community usually find emphatizing from non-LGBT people quite hard. And there's the abnormality of me, someone that, as I said, in a normal situation, should support the LGBT groups, is here playing devil's advocate. I don't know if laugh, cry or hid under a doorframe if another earthquake comes tonight.

ooook nvm. so youre a person who plays 'devils advocate' just to be a dick. nice. whatever im done arguing about human rights on a furry porn site.

 

[Woider]

Who let Dave Rubin into the thread?

Aaaanyway, that bus ad can go suck a whole bag of dicks. Biotruth nonsense, the lot of it.

 

[Nephilim_Anunnaki]

I am sorry if I opened a can of worms.
But I only want to add that extremists are toxic, no matter the side.

 

[magikarpfever]

I am sorry if I opened a can of worms.
But I only want to add that extremists are toxic, no matter the side.

nah its cool part of it is my fault for getting all riled up.

 

[Woider]

You must be the most calm and collected person, ever, if that's what you call riled up.

 

[magikarpfever]

You must be the most calm and collected person, ever, if that's what you call riled up.

hey some would call it passion. *shrug* i just have a low tolerance for stuff like that.

 

[Woider]

hey some would call it passion. *shrug* i just have a low tolerance for stuff like that.

No, what I meant is that I've seen way worse on this subject.

 

[magikarpfever]

No, what I meant is that I've seen way worse on this subject.

oooh im sorry i misunderstood (seems to be a running theme this past week) yeah no same. in my media class back in high school things got so heated certain topics were banned from being brought up

 

[ShySquare]

Hesitated to reply to the thread for a while because it had died down, but fuck it, I'm riled up, so I'm just gonna get this out at once and then shut up:

I don't know what world you live in, but in mine, it is illegal to be straight and cis in literally 0 countries.
You may disagree with some actions that were taken, or even individuals. But generalisations and straw men make for shitty and dubiously moral arguments, so stop trying to paint a minority who wants to finally be treated decently as somehow as bad as the other side whose whole revendication is "I don't want these people to be treated like human beings".



As for being too young for sex ed... puberty starts around 12-13, you know. Sure, it's embarassing to talk about these kinds of things (on both sides), but we're talking safety and consent here. Better that than let them use other, unreliable sources that may mislead kids into hurting themselves, or their partners, or worse. And that's true for everyone, straight or not, cis or not. I wish I'd had LGBT inclusive sex ed when I was 13.

 

[Coalsack]

I have nothing against sex-ed on teen/late pre-teen years. In fact, something around 11 years is pretty good. My country has sex-ed more or less at that age. My issue is when they try to teach it to kids of 7 or 8 years, which seems a bit excessive on my opinion, since in many cases they dont' fully understand the implications of what is being taught to them. About the LGBT stuff related to sex-ed, eh, I'd say that it's more of a personal thing, and it could be handled better by the chlid's parents or something close.

 

[Akhter13]

This is getting off topic
But "Sex Education" is just a small subsection of learning about relationships.
younger children should learn and be able to understand

• differences between good and bad relationships
• to ask why this relationship has "secrets"
• to know that friends don't make friends do things that hurt them emotionally or physically
• to ask "If I was them how would I feel?"
• there is no such thing as a disposable person

Or to sum up relationships involve respect and empathy, and if you have a relationship that is not based on these you need to fix it or stop.

After all sexual relationships are just relationships with the addition of downstairs bogeys

As for leaving it to parents, well that'll be a lottery. In fact worse than that the kids with the greatest need will be those with parents least able to cope.

 

[Glassboy]

I think that those parents and other people deserve the same amount of free speech than the LGBT lobby, as long as none of the parties harm the other group

Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of consequence from what you say.

Anyway I'm going to post some LGBT memes to avoid things getting too political.

 

[Tinman]

Pic

Does being X-gay come with laser vision?

@Akhter13 I say this as someone who is related to several teachers. If you think there's a way to build a curriculum around and teach healthy interpersonal behavior you're vastly overestimating our nation's educators. Children learn relationship behavior by watching their parents and interacting with their peers. Providing discipline for inappropriate behavior at school can help, but there's no way to truly teach the things you listed.

And yeah, this is getting way off topic now. I need to find some traps so I can unlock my mutant gay super powers.

 

[dragontamer8740]

but does that train of thought also allow hate groups like nazis a safe space?

Ahh, and here we hit the crux of the problem. A "safe space" should be somewhere for anyone feeling harassed, which would include them. However, I'd just like to say...
DAMN YOU, GODWIN'S LAW
Ahem.
Anyway, disclaimer: I am a pretty heterosexual male (I have yet to find myself attracted to a man, so I pretty much assume I'm only into women. This guy does have a pretty awesome mustache - I just don't think I'd want to bed him).

I think that a "sanctuary" if you need somewhere to vent or just sit down or whatever is a good thing for anyone. I hate nazis as much as the next guy, but the only fair way to do it would be to include them, too. I like to think that anyone can change his/her mind (that's enough pronouns for me; I refuse to use "their" on principle, though that's mostly because I've been conditioned by professional writing), given the right circumstances. As an example, see this video. "How can you hate me when you don't even know me?"

If people can get to know each other, I think that it's possible to change one's mind. Being accepting of them (at least in principle; I'm sure many would see it as cardinal sin to even set foot in a "safe space" since it's such a buzz-word) could be a step in the right direction.

I hope I'm not being too idealistic. I probably am. But I like to think we can all be better. That means Nazis, Jews, hard-left liberals, hard-right or alt-right conservatives, the "liberal elite" (a term I hate), Trump supporters, KKK members, black panthers, and everyone more towards the center of the bell curves.

BTW, I'm now remembering playing "Monster Girl Quest," of all things. In it, Alice (one of the protagonists) says that the main character's idealism is naive, but that it's also not a bad thing. I personally believe it to be a worthy goal to strive for, and whether it is possible or not. We cannot know if it is possible unless we all hold that goal in mind and try to move towards a more egalitarian society.

 

[magikarpfever]

Ahh, and here we hit the crux of the problem. A "safe space" should be somewhere for anyone feeling harassed, which would include them. However, I'd just like to say...
DAMN YOU, GODWIN'S LAW
Ahem.
Anyway, disclaimer: I am a pretty heterosexual male (I have yet to find myself attracted to a man, so I pretty much assume I'm only into women. This guy does have a pretty awesome mustache - I just don't think I'd want to bed him).

I think that a "sanctuary" if you need somewhere to vent or just sit down or whatever is a good thing for anyone. I hate nazis as much as the next guy, but the only fair way to do it would be to include them, too. I like to think that anyone can change his/her mind (that's enough pronouns for me; I refuse to use "their" on principle, though that's mostly because I've been conditioned by professional writing), given the right circumstances. As an example, see this video. "How can you hate me when you don't even know me?"

If people can get to know each other, I think that it's possible to change one's mind. Being accepting of them (at least in principle; I'm sure many would see it as cardinal sin to even set foot in a "safe space" since it's such a buzz-word) could be a step in the right direction.

I hope I'm not being too idealistic. I probably am. But I like to think we can all be better. That means Nazis, Jews, hard-left liberals, hard-right or alt-right conservatives, the "liberal elite" (a term I hate), Trump supporters, KKK members, black panthers, and everyone more towards the center of the bell curves.

BTW, I'm now remembering playing "Monster Girl Quest," of all things. In it, Alice (one of the protagonists) says that the main character's idealism is naive, but that it's also not a bad thing. I personally believe it to be a worthy goal to strive for, and whether it is possible or not. We cannot know if it is possible unless we all hold that goal in mind and try to move towards a more egalitarian society.

i disagree with your view on pronouns, safe spaces, and the fairness of inclusion in regards to hate groups, but seeing as i dont want to stir up anymore trouble im just gonna leave it at that

 

[dragontamer8740]

i disagree with your view on pronouns, safe spaces, and the fairness of inclusion in regards to hate groups, but seeing as i dont want to stir up anymore trouble im just gonna leave it at that

I know my pronoun objection is irrational; it's an OCD thing coupled with an English-teaching mother who said in no uncertain terms that an indefinite third party should be specified with "he" or "she," starting at a pretty young age. I am as a result pretty reluctant to change there, though I appreciate that Englsh does objectively need an indefinite pronoun and in future generations I hope that "they" does become the standard. I do not intend to teach any kids I have (if I ever have any, which I don't currently want to) that I may have that rule, because I accept that it's outmoded and is probably best abandoned. It just feels wrong to write it that way myself because of my upbringing, and I didn't want to write 'he/she/sie/it/whatever else'. Again, it's 100% OCD, and I know I am wrong there. I apologize.
I am genuinely open to your interpretations. I am not infallible and anything I think is a work in progress.In the future, given enough time away from the cancer that is academia (and my parents,) I will probably grow more relaxed towards the common usage of "they" as a third person singular pronoun.
I think I understand your difference of view with respect to safe spaces, because letting those people in kind of defeats the established purpose of them. But I see them as a way of isolating people with opposing views and letting them grow more polarized instead of forcing a dialogue and finding a "happy" medium. I can't say I'm entirely psyched about the idea myself, but I think that we have to come together somehow. A house divided cannot stand, and all of that.
If you have a better idea, or if I failed to address your concerns with my idea of "safe spaces" above, please let me know what they are. I promise I won't get mad; I really, really do want to treat everyone like a fellow human being, worthy of no higher or lesser respect than I myself would like to get.
Again, I absolutely promise I'm not going to throw a shit-fit if something you say happens to offend my middle class white midwestern man sensibilities. I really do want to be better.

 

[Kesil]

I can't bring myself to use "their/them" as a singular pronoun. It makes me feel I'm talking about someone with a split personality or happens to be Spiderman's Venom

 

[Woider]

I will probably grow more relaxed towards the common usage of "they" as a third person singular pronoun.

Trust me, you get more used to it over time. Personally, I'm still trying to acclimate to "woman" being an adjective or prefix.

 

[Coalsack]

I don't like using those pronouns with people. Doing so, I feel like I'm talking to something instead of someone.