It does change the fact if it's not a canon event
What content would you like added?
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Yeah, I know that. But the actions in the bad ends are done by the same characters, not some evil twins from parallel universes? And if they do something like that, that means it's always been in them, it's just that if we win they don't have a chance to pull it off. Like I said, sick bastards, just the champion was stronger this time.It does change the fact if it's not a canon event
Why let Tobs insert all that particularly messed up stuff in the first place?It does change the fact if it's not a canon event
Like many of the times when he Lets It Rip with the edginess of the substories he writes, was jarringly out of place for this game.
Firstly, this game isn't meant to have that level of player freedom. It never was. Your thought process is essentially like if you played Final Fantasy 7 and got mad the game doesn't let you kill Barret because he's mean to your character (Cloud, also a dick) at the start of the game. COC2 is not intended to be like that by design, it is a game with limited player freedom.
Secondly, you seem to have confused two definitions here, but here's an English lesson:
1: Corruption - The process by which something is changed from its original use or purpose to one that is typically debased.
2: Evil - Overtly wicked, cruel and immoral, most often to represent a metaphysical concept or force.
Corruption and evil are not the same. This game doesn't generally let you be evil on purpose. The only real exception I'd say is the hive, which has been said over and over now to be regretted. It misled players into believing the game would be something that it's not. Perhaps we'll see something come of that one thread eventually, but even if it does, it will probably be a one-of-a-kind thing not representative of the rest of the game.
Because that is, by the rules of this world how corruption works... Demons are made when people seek personal pleasure above anything else, or when forced to "consume" pleasure to the point that they can't think of anything else, and then their fluids spread it beyond themselves. Sure it's not Tolkien-level lore writing, but it's porn. It doesn't need to be.
And as per my earlier English lesson, the baker's interaction is about corrupting her, not being evil. Plus, you don't need to cum on the pastries if you don't want to.
And lastly...
Sure, more corruption content can be added! I even said as much previously. However you need to remember the difference between evil and corruption, or you'll never be satisfied with this game.
Though hey, you can always play COC1 again! And good news, if you just want to talk about how much you love that game, there's a board on this very forum specifically for it.
If bad ends don't matter, because "non canon"
Why bother adding them?
Think about it, you spend time (limited, precious resource) writing something that:
1: Effectively ends PC's adventure
2: Not canon, therefore doesn't happen
3: Messed up af sometimes
I find them pointless myself tbh.
Why bother adding them?
Think about it, you spend time (limited, precious resource) writing something that:
1: Effectively ends PC's adventure
2: Not canon, therefore doesn't happen
3: Messed up af sometimes
I find them pointless myself tbh.
Eh, I don't quite agree. There are some elements in this game you just have to ignore for the sake of, well, yourself. Like Hashat constantly harrasing your Elf Champ who is not interested in her. And since Non-Elf PCs are capable of not being horny after being defeated by Hashat, same should go for Eld PCs too at which point she forces herself on you regardless. Sometimes the nicer headcanon makes more sense. Just like how the Champ can be mind controlled by the plot to act a certain way, the same can happen to the NPCs too.
Whoa whoa whoa easy there. The whole idea of a that's bad end is great. Bad ends are supposed to be the peak of depravity, the embodiment of fetishes almost to the extreme, to expose the dark side of the characters. They are the cherry on the top of a cake, after all, what would we do without them? It doesn't change the fact that I won't be able to look at some characters like I used to, but everything has a price and it has to be paid.
In general - "Bad ends for the Bad ends God! Kinks for the Kink Throne!"
Ahem, I'm slow as usual.
This problem could be rectified by not tying the "asshole" personality to corruption. This is one of my biggest gripes with the game tbh. I often times find myself giving some of my characters large amounts of corruption because they'd have a shitty personality and there is no other way to express it.
Honestly if a writing decision sours your opinion of a character, just shift the blame to the writers and not them. Just imagine Tobs descending from the heavens and telling Komari that if she doesn't do as she is told, he will have to make her irrelevant for 5 more years.
I hate bad ends.
People see them and have no reason to think they are not canon so it colors their experience with certain asepcts the game usually for the worse. Then they share concerns about it and have to look up someones nose as they get lectured about how "bad ends aren't canon".
People see them and have no reason to think they are not canon so it colors their experience with certain asepcts the game usually for the worse. Then they share concerns about it and have to look up someones nose as they get lectured about how "bad ends aren't canon".
I'd rather have flavor text for my fail state instead of just the words ''game over try again''. It's just small extra details.
Literally because Bad Ends are a fetish some people have. They exist for the same reason sucking an NPC's dick or milking her titties exist!
It's not my thing, and surveys say it's not most players' either, but it's an erotic niche like any other.
Alright, if it wasn't supposed to do that, why give us a character that we can personally customise as our own? What's the point then? It's supposed to be our "vessel" so to speak, in the game. Basically a blank slate or what looks to be one. A character with no established history whatsoever to do what we want with. Cloud is already a preestablished character in the game with a prior history and personality. The game suffers some tonal inconsistency because of this, if that was the intent of the PC, you should have named them "Bepo The Slut Savior" with a prior history and done what ff7 did. There's still no explanation why having more choice is a bad thing at all, either.
Sure, they might be literally different. However, 90% of the time in the game, corruption leads to evil for other characters. Take the centaurs for example. They were normal before, but after being corrupted they end up becoming a bunch of rape monsters. That doesn't quite sound like they ain't evil at that point in time. The fact that Tollus is also still a human somehow, proves my point that there should be more to the whole corruption/evil nuance thing too. Corruption can also be the champion doing an evil thing, they feel guilty at first, but slowly that guilt fades the more they do it. What that action is? I have no idea, maybe something dark they may have thought they weren't capable of before.
I've seen people here complain about COC and how COC2 is superior by comparison. I thought the same until my own curiosity and seeing others hype the game up made me want to play it. Once I did and figured out how to not get my character brutaly raped everytime, I loved it. A lot. So you can imagine my frustration and why I'd love to see COC2 resemble COC more. Again, this is coming from a guy who thought COC2 was pretty good before and the superior game, and I honestly don't think I'm alone in thinking this way.
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Sure they might not be canon, but here's an example:It does change the fact if it's not a canon event
Imagine you are at a football game, the ball gets kicked directly to your face.
A.) You are fast enough to dodge
B.) You're too slow and now you have a broken nose
Congratulations, you were fast enough to dodge the ball barrellng towards your face. However, that doesn't change the fact that it could have hit you. Just like how the champion may canonicaly beat the kitsune, but it doesn't change the fact that their bad endings could have happened (death, or a "Get Out" scenario where something else is controlling your transformed body, it's pretty horrifiying). And we also have to be cool with those who were capable of doing that to us understandably doesn't feel right with some people. I don't look at them the same way anymore, either.
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I don't want to come of as mean, but can you actually give clear examples of what kind of actions you want the PC to be able to commit (excluding the Kitsune). Because most of the "Corruption" in CoC1 was corrupting NPCs and being a degenerate, which I'm guessing is not all you want from CoC2.
Sure, maybe lie, use people, break promises you never intended on keeping (or you did intend to keep them, but it becomes easier to break them the more you do it), kill in cold blood, either because it's neccessary, or not. Be a cold-blooded killer, or be a manipulative snake that isolates people and uses their weaknesses against them, seek more power at any cost. Stuff like that.
With a character like Etheryn, you can be her savior, but also another nightmare for her at the same time if you so wish. That's dark and evil, maybe corrupting her in the process (although you can't do that anymore). That is something I haven't done and will never do (Basically Alypia's companion is too wholesome for me to even dare), but I wouldn't be upset if another person did on their playthrough. COC's darkness and corruption was murder and fucking the morality out of people. COC2 honestly should have explored more than that, and that would have probably made being a good-aligned character feel a lot better. That and even if you were a good-aligned character, you could still maybe do questionable things for the greater good (in your characters eyes). Loads of things you can do with those ideas.
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There is a CG in game files, so is hope we see corrupted Ryn somehow... someday...
Whatever orientation, whatever gender and whatever moral alignment; I think we can all gather as one and weep for the poor shmuck who's job is untangling Ryn's spaghetti code.
That would be a great addition, but I also feel other things would need to be taken into account. Like dialogue pertaining to the main story since I believe it's implied we tell Kiyoko everything that is going on outside the Orb. Another thing would be different come up because I'm sure lots of players don't immediately opt to release Kiyoko from the orb and we tell her about the situation after going through the Kitsune Den. There's no way it shouldn't be a thing where we tell Kiyoko about all the kitsune we meet at the Den, especially Komari since we do have conversations where she reminisces about her retainer.
This could possibly culminate with more dialogue of us telling her that the Komari she knew is the same we are interacting with now. Obviously, she'd initially dismiss our words or could become heated due to the implications of the situation and either have us leave the Orb earlier or possibly force us out since she has control of what goes on in the Orb. There could possibly be a block on the Orb for a day or two since doesn't want to interact with you at this time. When those days pass we try again, with success this time and we have a more in-depth conversation with a distressed Kiyoko.
This will eventually bring about a different scene when releasing Kiyoko from the Orb.
That's not what non-canon means. If something is not canonical it exists outside of the established fiction of the universe, which includes something that can't happen.
You mean to say in a world of sissification, bimbofication, himbofication, transformation, sex-change, mind-control, and more, that the kitsune can't actually do that to you? Really? I heavily disagree.
Who knows? With the flimsiness of how their equivalent exchange works, they may think that being a mindless sex slave is good compensation for home invasion. As of right now I have a sour opinion of them with this being the biggest reason why among others. I simply can't forget about that ending.
Your example with the football game was a case of alternate outcomes, all of which were possible. If something is non-canon is can fall outside of the possible alternate outcomes whether because they literally can't happen or because it goes entirely against a character's... er... character.
As an example not using the kitsune, there are a few endings in which Kasyrra shows up. One of them is if you lose to Jyrranaz in the 'Land of Milky Honey' quest. The Champion is, over time, transformed into a corrupted vesparan and when Kas shows up a year later she doesn't recognize them. But there's no way in hell that Kas hadn't been keeping track of the Champion and wouldn't know who they were when you consider how important their soul is to her primary goal.
Besides, if the writers of the game say to ignore what happens in bad ends, then maybe you should ignore what happens in bad ends. It's non-canon. It doesn't matter. It's just there to go wild with some fetish-y stuff for the people that are into it.
For the Land of Milky Honey ending, you can justify it by claiming that Kasyrra doesn't see much use for you anymore. Your special soul? Absolutely pointless now. Maybe you just ended up as a disappointment. Harsh, but very possible. But half the time, the writing can be inconsistent throughout the game, so who knows? As for the ignoring part, I can't. What I know is forever stuck in my brain and will always influence my thoughts on the kitsune.
Certainly a personality switch would help, but you don't inherently have to undertake corrupt actions in the story to raise corruption, do you? You can gain it through inconsequential incidents or even items. If you plan to act like a rude dude but not really take the rude dude options, you could upkeep it that way. Not ideal, but a makeshift solution is still a solution.
Your character isn't a blank canvas. You have a core personality, it's just influenced by the corruption you've collected, as it were. Sure, some writers veer a little further off from center mass than others, but that is inconsistency in enforcement and nothing to indicate you're a blank canvas. The ability to customize a character has, quite literally my good forum-goer, nothing, NOTHING to do with whether you have free reign to do as you dream in every game that features it. I don't even know where you ever got such an assumption, frankly. Unless the only games you've ever played are Elder Scrolls games, 99% of games that feature character customization don't also include the ability to freely manipulate the story and state of the world. Those are far and away minority instances and doing it that way has a tendency to cause issues regardless. Why do you think, say, Skyrim introduced so many NPCs marked as essential? So you can't screw up every questline and break the game by being a murderhobo.
Ooooh, yes, yes, we're getting there for sure. You're aaaalmost to the realization. You've recognized that other characters who aren't the champion can be corrupt and/or evil! But we took two steps back at the end there, once again putting corruption and evil into the same category for the player. And Tollus being human still (a) may not be true, he could be a demon disguising himself as something else, which is something we've seen other evil characters do already, or (b) he could just be...refraining from sex with demons and thus not becoming physically corrupted and changed into a demon. The realization you very nearly reached is that evil can lead to corruption, and corruption can lead to evil, buuuut...corruption in this setting is a physical occurrence that is largely sexual in lore, and doesn't have to be evil. The player can undergo corruption, but cannot be evil. Tollus is a great example of a definite evil that may or may not be "corrupt" in the lore of the game. In a sense, he is equal and opposite the champion.
I think your problem is that you have no idea what corruption is, but by definition, you want the ability to be evil. Sure, fine. If that's your flavor, go for it. But you can't complain that every game ever doesn't allow you to be evil. It's unrealistic and childish. Games, regardless of genre, are a form of art and a medium for telling a story. No one is obliged to make a story that caters specifically to any one group of people. It is a choice. This dev team have largely chosen to not make one catering to murder-happy folks like yourself.
For the purpose of this thread, you haven't asked for anything specific to be added, you've been complaining that you can't be evil. I would take that to the gripes thread, personally, but you do you.
For remaining here, I would suggest thinking of specifics. Come up with actual things in some amount of detail that you'd like to see. If they continue in the vein of pointless murder, sure they'll probably be ignored, but at least that would be more constructive than empty comparisons, complaining, and throwing around concepts you don't seem to concretely understand, but "feel." Now you're down to just saying "I like COC1 more, be more like COC1" which is entirely unhelpful.
P.S. If you want a cheat sheet for understanding the difference between evil and corruption in this game, think of corruption as a type of STI, and evil is murdering innocent people!
Now I'm done! Moving on. Sorry for the wall of text, folks. Please enjoy the rest of your thread. <3