Whatever orientation, whatever gender and whatever moral alignment; I think we can all gather as one and weep for the poor shmuck who's job is untangling Ryn's spaghetti code.
What content would you like added?
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That would be a great addition, but I also feel other things would need to be taken into account. Like dialogue pertaining to the main story since I believe it's implied we tell Kiyoko everything that is going on outside the Orb. Another thing would be different come up because I'm sure lots of players don't immediately opt to release Kiyoko from the orb and we tell her about the situation after going through the Kitsune Den. There's no way it shouldn't be a thing where we tell Kiyoko about all the kitsune we meet at the Den, especially Komari since we do have conversations where she reminisces about her retainer.
This could possibly culminate with more dialogue of us telling her that the Komari she knew is the same we are interacting with now. Obviously, she'd initially dismiss our words or could become heated due to the implications of the situation and either have us leave the Orb earlier or possibly force us out since she has control of what goes on in the Orb. There could possibly be a block on the Orb for a day or two since doesn't want to interact with you at this time. When those days pass we try again, with success this time and we have a more in-depth conversation with a distressed Kiyoko.
This will eventually bring about a different scene when releasing Kiyoko from the Orb.
That's not what non-canon means. If something is not canonical it exists outside of the established fiction of the universe, which includes something that can't happen.
You mean to say in a world of sissification, bimbofication, himbofication, transformation, sex-change, mind-control, and more, that the kitsune can't actually do that to you? Really? I heavily disagree.
Who knows? With the flimsiness of how their equivalent exchange works, they may think that being a mindless sex slave is good compensation for home invasion. As of right now I have a sour opinion of them with this being the biggest reason why among others. I simply can't forget about that ending.
Your example with the football game was a case of alternate outcomes, all of which were possible. If something is non-canon is can fall outside of the possible alternate outcomes whether because they literally can't happen or because it goes entirely against a character's... er... character.
As an example not using the kitsune, there are a few endings in which Kasyrra shows up. One of them is if you lose to Jyrranaz in the 'Land of Milky Honey' quest. The Champion is, over time, transformed into a corrupted vesparan and when Kas shows up a year later she doesn't recognize them. But there's no way in hell that Kas hadn't been keeping track of the Champion and wouldn't know who they were when you consider how important their soul is to her primary goal.
Besides, if the writers of the game say to ignore what happens in bad ends, then maybe you should ignore what happens in bad ends. It's non-canon. It doesn't matter. It's just there to go wild with some fetish-y stuff for the people that are into it.
For the Land of Milky Honey ending, you can justify it by claiming that Kasyrra doesn't see much use for you anymore. Your special soul? Absolutely pointless now. Maybe you just ended up as a disappointment. Harsh, but very possible. But half the time, the writing can be inconsistent throughout the game, so who knows? As for the ignoring part, I can't. What I know is forever stuck in my brain and will always influence my thoughts on the kitsune.
Certainly a personality switch would help, but you don't inherently have to undertake corrupt actions in the story to raise corruption, do you? You can gain it through inconsequential incidents or even items. If you plan to act like a rude dude but not really take the rude dude options, you could upkeep it that way. Not ideal, but a makeshift solution is still a solution.
Your character isn't a blank canvas. You have a core personality, it's just influenced by the corruption you've collected, as it were. Sure, some writers veer a little further off from center mass than others, but that is inconsistency in enforcement and nothing to indicate you're a blank canvas. The ability to customize a character has, quite literally my good forum-goer, nothing, NOTHING to do with whether you have free reign to do as you dream in every game that features it. I don't even know where you ever got such an assumption, frankly. Unless the only games you've ever played are Elder Scrolls games, 99% of games that feature character customization don't also include the ability to freely manipulate the story and state of the world. Those are far and away minority instances and doing it that way has a tendency to cause issues regardless. Why do you think, say, Skyrim introduced so many NPCs marked as essential? So you can't screw up every questline and break the game by being a murderhobo.
Ooooh, yes, yes, we're getting there for sure. You're aaaalmost to the realization. You've recognized that other characters who aren't the champion can be corrupt and/or evil! But we took two steps back at the end there, once again putting corruption and evil into the same category for the player. And Tollus being human still (a) may not be true, he could be a demon disguising himself as something else, which is something we've seen other evil characters do already, or (b) he could just be...refraining from sex with demons and thus not becoming physically corrupted and changed into a demon. The realization you very nearly reached is that evil can lead to corruption, and corruption can lead to evil, buuuut...corruption in this setting is a physical occurrence that is largely sexual in lore, and doesn't have to be evil. The player can undergo corruption, but cannot be evil. Tollus is a great example of a definite evil that may or may not be "corrupt" in the lore of the game. In a sense, he is equal and opposite the champion.
I think your problem is that you have no idea what corruption is, but by definition, you want the ability to be evil. Sure, fine. If that's your flavor, go for it. But you can't complain that every game ever doesn't allow you to be evil. It's unrealistic and childish. Games, regardless of genre, are a form of art and a medium for telling a story. No one is obliged to make a story that caters specifically to any one group of people. It is a choice. This dev team have largely chosen to not make one catering to murder-happy folks like yourself.
For the purpose of this thread, you haven't asked for anything specific to be added, you've been complaining that you can't be evil. I would take that to the gripes thread, personally, but you do you.
For remaining here, I would suggest thinking of specifics. Come up with actual things in some amount of detail that you'd like to see. If they continue in the vein of pointless murder, sure they'll probably be ignored, but at least that would be more constructive than empty comparisons, complaining, and throwing around concepts you don't seem to concretely understand, but "feel." Now you're down to just saying "I like COC1 more, be more like COC1" which is entirely unhelpful.
P.S. If you want a cheat sheet for understanding the difference between evil and corruption in this game, think of corruption as a type of STI, and evil is murdering innocent people!
Now I'm done! Moving on. Sorry for the wall of text, folks. Please enjoy the rest of your thread. <3
Unless Kas has miraculously found another way to birth real children rather than imps then I highly doubt that.
But you're entitled to your opinions and feelings. I've said my piece and I'll leave it at that.
That's.. kinda opposite of what I meant lol. Sorry for explaining myself really badly there. What I meant was that when I create a new Champ I often use the Save Editor to "fix" that Champ's appereance and while I do that if I decide that the Champ is an asshole I end up giving them a lot of corruption to get the "asshole" personality, even if they technically would not be that corrupt. I feel the Corruption and the Personality scores should be seperated. Both turning into a jackass because I fucked a lot of demons and becoming sex-crazed because I was mean to people feels equally weird.
People hate that fact about the game and raise Morrowind for letting you just merc Vivic with a "with this character's death the thread of prophecy is severed". Skyrim just dumbed down it like with the skill system and like oblivion did before it, so I would not use Bethesda's being unable to make the game work in a failstate like Morrowind did as a point.
People can dislike it all they want. The fact remains that from a game design standpoint it's easier to do, requires less work, and causes less headaches from a writing standpoint, whilst enabling less people to complain that killing X ruined Y questline and they didn't know ahead of time. Besides that, most people who play the games do the quests, rather than murder the quest givers. It's just the nature of your average gamer.
This I can agree with, it would be nice ot be able to enter the den without needing to hit the griddy on Nakano.
Clowning on Nakano is one of my favourite parts of doing the Evergreen quest tbh. It's just that image with the crusader holding the gun.
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"I use Blade Block which makes me impervious to all physical attacks for 3 actions. All melee attacks made against me are perfectly countere---"
The giant crossbow lodged up my ass:
The giant crossbow lodged up my ass:
Honestly, reflavoring Bessy as a pump action shotgun is one of the funniest shit you can do in this game. Just take Triple Threat and Resplended Aria and become a menace to society.
Next you're going to tell me that something is
On that note I would like more of both =D
I do feel like Evergreen is due for some more content to herself. Maybe a new quest that unlocks some fun new, ah...activities.
There's no indication in game that bad ends are complete make believe and not indicative of the capability of characters/villians or stakes of events. Probably because the next question is "Then what the hell are they?" I dunno. If you want me to just ignore them...then....what?
I don't mind them in as much as like I implied they show the stakes. I am surprised they don't come up more in TiTs discussions though because WOW even the very darkest CoC2 bad ends feel like nothing next to some of TiTs.
There's a bad end in TiTs if you lose to a black Void pirate during a quest for Akane that is nightmare fuel...if that was just meant to be solely some extra smut for losing then that makes the bad ends so much more awful now that I think about it. Maybe that's just me.
I don't mind them in as much as like I implied they show the stakes. I am surprised they don't come up more in TiTs discussions though because WOW even the very darkest CoC2 bad ends feel like nothing next to some of TiTs.
There's a bad end in TiTs if you lose to a black Void pirate during a quest for Akane that is nightmare fuel...if that was just meant to be solely some extra smut for losing then that makes the bad ends so much more awful now that I think about it. Maybe that's just me.
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People who complain about losing out on content because they murdered the quest giver are already a minority by your statement, so we are protecting a minority who are already trying to kill important NPC's/quest givers from themselves and their bad actions. In less extreme terms it's like taking the option to push Azzy into the honey which a small amount of people are going to pick in the first place, letting you click the button but having it do nothing because the dev's already knows you want more of her content so it would be crazy to just get rid of her and plus it's less work to not have to account for her not being around thus saving them time and making sure no one can complain about missing out on more Azzy content.
I'm just saying to let people make bad choices, dev's don't need to handhold a majority of players anyway.
Anyway to get somewhat back on topic why don't we have a pair of heels yet? Carmen gets some and so does Viv, so why not us.
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I for one enjoy triggering bad ends that are not fight-related. Why's that. you might ask? I refuse to lose any powers my Champion may have learnt
After reading all of the discussion that's been going on here for the past day or so, I think I know what content I would like added. I would like a line of size 26 bold red underlined text saying
to the start of every bad end page, so that people wouldn't keep using them to make inferences about the game world.
Then just give me an option not to see them if they're completely meaningless. They're less then useless at that point to me.
Don't need to picture my character going through some of this vile crap.
Seriously. I don't get it. Put them in the fiction section of the website if they're meaningless to the game, if the writers and dev's themselves want us to pretend they don't exist.
Don't need to picture my character going through some of this vile crap.
Seriously. I don't get it. Put them in the fiction section of the website if they're meaningless to the game, if the writers and dev's themselves want us to pretend they don't exist.
If the Bad Ends are meaning less I would argue that any combat loss that gives a sex scene are to. Who really is going to lose to an imp and have it assault you? A small group of people are the only ones interested in that, most people just want to win the fight not lose.
Jokes aside basically all Bad Ends are just massive "what if's" a uses of a looking glass to see what if the champ lost here, what might happen, what could happen. It's non cannon because that's how games handles the main character falling in a critical situation, in shooters it's taking too many bullets and "dying" but we all know that's not what really happened. What really happened was the MC valiantly shot all the bad guys and won and its the same here, we already won we beat Kas and saved the day it's set in stone for the most part. The Game is just a vehicle for us to see how we won, so any loss on the way is just not cannon and as I said above all the Bad Ends are just "what if's" of if we lost but since we didn't lose all those things are made up. The only reason they are like that is because the nature of the game we are playing and some times that nature is sexual and sometimes it's dark.
Not the same at all. Those apparently really happen, they have narrative value.
They're not though...that's kinda my whole point. I dunno if you've been reading along but they aren't what ifs, they're complete fiction with no narrative connection apparently. They can not and never will happen, they do not indicate the stakes or capabilities of anyone involved.