What content would you like added?

[valk42]

again, i must emphasize, bad ends are a FETISH. good for you if you don't have it; me either. some people do

 

[Dude_with_bad_english]

Wow I didn't realize that a couple of my half-hearted comments would be the first pebbles to set up such an avalanche.

 

[Resawar]

Not the same at all. Those apparently really happen, they have narrative value.

I get what you mean saying that but I did say I was some what joking about that somewhat.

They're not though...that's kinda my whole point. I dunno if you've been reading along but they aren't what ifs, they're complete fiction with no narrative connection apparently.

Fundamentally what if's are just their story but with one small part changed. The over all story of the game is the same it's just one small thing changed and that is the champion losing, they are written game failure states because you messed up and lost to something you shouldn't have.

The Bad Ends effecting the narrative has never mattered before and I don't know why it's starting to now, the fact that in one Kas turns the world into a hellscape should be more then satisfactory to swear off her romance path forever because it show that she just does not care and is a Uber monster that needs only the end of a sword. But no we know that Kas is not really going to turn the world into the hellscape for the pure fact that it utterly insane to just have that kind of person be redeemable, the pure loss of life would make a dictator blush. Also what narrative Relevance do we gain from learning you can just freeze yourself with magic to time travel, or that Komari is just super special and can make godsworn races out of randos, and that we just some how missed the anti demon weapons in Alter quest that can seal away Kas like nothing or that you can just turn people into to other people like Alissa does, Synth problem much? The thing is that they don't matter they are just porno fluff and always have been, we're making mountains out of molehills with how much supposed stuff come out of these rather minuet parts of the over all game.

 

[Bleh223]

Unless Kas has miraculously found another way to birth real children rather than imps then I highly doubt that.

But you're entitled to your opinions and feelings. I've said my piece and I'll leave it at that.

Yeah, I think this is an agree to disagree kinda thing since both of us aren't gonna change our minds about it.

 

[Bleh223]

People can dislike it all they want. The fact remains that from a game design standpoint it's easier to do, requires less work, and causes less headaches from a writing standpoint, whilst enabling less people to complain that killing X ruined Y questline and they didn't know ahead of time. Besides that, most people who play the games do the quests, rather than murder the quest givers. It's just the nature of your average gamer.

Oh I loved that part about Morrowind, bro thinks he can escape? He's sitting nice and comfortable in Azura's Star now after having to put down Dagoth-Ur and Amalexia. It might not be what canonicaly happened, but I did enjoy it.

Unless the only games you've ever played are Elder Scrolls games

I've played Elder Scrolls games, Bioware games, and Souls games. So not exactly a minority of the genre allow the player to have freedom. Even with games like the Witcher 1-3 where you play as an established character you have more choice than here. Baldur's Gate 1, 2, and 3 that's finally coming out you have the freedom to make your own choices. Maybe I wouldn't complain as much if the champion (the dude I created) weren't treated or acted like a chump half the time. Of course I'm miffed about it.

Ooooh, yes, yes, we're getting there for sure. You're aaaalmost to the realization. You've recognized that other characters who aren't the champion can be corrupt and/or evil! But we took two steps back at the end there, once again putting corruption and evil into the same category for the player. And Tollus being human still (a) may not be true, he could be a demon disguising himself as something else, which is something we've seen other evil characters do already, or (b) he could just be...refraining from sex with demons and thus not becoming physically corrupted and changed into a demon. The realization you very nearly reached is that evil can lead to corruption, and corruption can lead to evil, buuuut...corruption in this setting is a physical occurrence that is largely sexual in lore, and doesn't have to be evil. The player can undergo corruption, but cannot be evil. Tollus is a great example of a definite evil that may or may not be "corrupt" in the lore of the game. In a sense, he is equal and opposite the champion.

I think your problem is that you have no idea what corruption is, but by definition, you want the ability to be evil. Sure, fine. If that's your flavor, go for it. But you can't complain that every game ever doesn't allow you to be evil. It's unrealistic and childish. Games, regardless of genre, are a form of art and a medium for telling a story. No one is obliged to make a story that caters specifically to any one group of people. It is a choice. This dev team have largely chosen to not make one catering to murder-happy folks like yourself.

I have a feeling you think that nobody should touch your favorite NPCs in their own playthroughs. They're not real, so what other people do to them shouldn't matter to you. You maybe wanna enforce your idealogy on others because you think you know better? Buddy, it's been made clear that not everyone here thinks the same way as you. You were even supported when you mockingly said you wanted more choice to be a paragon of good.

Some people want their characters to do horrible shit. Some people want their characters to be really good. Some people want to be inbetween. It adds more to the replayability to the game besides cumming in or being cummed in by a different person. The game gives the impression some times that it doesn't wanna be the typical porn RPG, so why treat it that way? I've seen somewhere that you can eventually join Kasyrra. Even not joining her and deciding to romance her with all the misery she's the direct cause of, are you truly being a good person then? Are you trying to tell me with a straight face that the champion is always gonna be good no matter what and they have the choice to do that?

Furthermore, with the way you want corruption and the way it currently is, there's simply no reason for the PC to be affected at all if it's just sexual. It's now an entirely useless stat. The most I've ever seen it do is make my character grope Cait. That's it. Oh no I'm being corrupted, woe is me. Seriously?

For the purpose of this thread, you haven't asked for anything specific to be added, you've been complaining that you can't be evil. I would take that to the gripes thread, personally, but you do you.

Oh sure I have, I've asked for more corruption (change in personality (maybe becoming evil, idk), corrupting others such as important characters) related content for the player, alongside the option to be evil. Being evil doesn't neccesarily mean murder either as I have mentioned in a few posts here already if you choose to not ignore them. Besides, even if I drop this someone else is gonna pop up and bring up the same thing. There's no way this topic will ever be permanently put down.

 

[Acharehnus]

The Bad Ends effecting the narrative has never mattered before and I don't know why it's starting to now, the fact that in one Kas turns the world into a hellscape should be more then satisfactory to swear off her romance path forever because it show that she just does not care and is a Uber monster that needs only the end of a sword. But no we know that Kas is not really going to turn the world into the hellscape for the pure fact that it utterly insane to just have that kind of person be redeemable, the pure loss of life would make a dictator blush. Also what narrative Relevance do we gain from learning you can just freeze yourself with magic to time travel, or that Komari is just super special and can make godsworn races out of randos, and that we just some how missed the anti demon weapons in Alter quest that can seal away Kas like nothing or that you can just turn people into to other people like Alissa does, Synth problem much? The thing is that they don't matter they are just porno fluff and always have been, we're making mountains out of molehills with how much supposed stuff come out of these rather minuet parts of the over all game.

This all just feels like it supports rather then refutes what I'm saying. I agree, we gain nothing from bad ends apparently and they're often repulsive. So why am I seeing them?

The game gives warning for it's more extreme content that actually happens but not these.

 

[valk42]

This all just feels like it supports rather then refutes what I'm saying. I agree, we gain nothing from bad ends apparently and they're often repulsive. So why am I seeing them?

The game gives warning for it's more extreme content that actually happens but not these.

I gain nothing from non-unique pregnancy content and find it rather offputting. Why is it in? It is a fetish, just one I don't have. Same principle. Also, you don't have to keep reading anything you find distressing; just go 'ah, not for me' and reload a save. I like and respect you, inasmuch as one respects fellow porn forum users, but it really is just a kink you do not have.

 

[Loveless]

Anyway to get somewhat back on topic why don't we have a pair of heels yet? Carmen gets some and so does Viv, so why not us.

The Latex Boots you can buy from the Goo Farm are high heel shoes. Those are the best we have unforunately.

 

[Deviton123]

Maybe I wouldn't complain as much if the champion (the dude I created) weren't treated or acted like a chump half the time. Of course I'm miffed about it.

Long time lurker, but finally made an account just to say that I absolutely agree with this part here. While playing, even though I am supposed to be the champion and save the world from Kasyrra and the demons, I feel like I'm playing as a loser in some parts of the game. Regarding the kitsune, I'm a dishonorable foreigner that they can't help throwing shade at despite everything that happened between them and my character. Even Kiyoko sometimes flip flops between treating me as an equal or lesser than. With Leoprick, I get knocked out flat like an idiot sandwich for no reason. I will be brutally honest in saying that while the game isn't a power fantasy for us, it definitely looks like a power fantasy for the favorite characters of the authors. Every single kitsune, and the self-inserts being the most noticeable.

I know some of you despise power fantasies, but at least give our characters the ability to have some shred of self-respect or give us a semblance of control on the way they act or think. It's been years that it's been this way that there's no justification why we should be the champion at all. Please don't say we have a special soul. So what, honestly? That's such a copout after all this time.

 

[Jackal2]

I feel like Tychris would be the place to get heels, first thought was the catfolk but Jassira is a desert region making heels more trouble than it's worth.

 

[Savin]

So why am I seeing them?

The same reason you see any other loss scene, which may or may not be your kink or even align with your sexuality. They're there to appeal to their fetish.

If you don't like the bad things that happen when you lose A) don't lose or B) just smash the next/reload button and don't read the scenes that go with it.

This is like the ONE TIME I will tell people to guilt-free just not read something, when you accidentally opt into (or fail into) content you don't like. Mash that reload button as soon as you can and get back to your day.

 

[redlightnin55]

Hmmmm, you know what could be fun? More blindfolded content. I don't just mean in the way of hard bdsm, although I suppose that wouldn't go amiss either, but just having the champ be blindfolded and going through regular sex one sense down, or vice versa with a partner blindfolded.

Imagine the champ gets tossed a wadded up cloth by (insert favorite NPC here) from about 10 feet away and told to put it on as a blindfold, do, and then just have to fumble their way to their partner to service them. That covers a lot of fun potential flavors just in itself. Embarrassment, frustration, things that create friction. Now you can also flip that. Someone like Drifa instead of the champ, with the champ giving the blindfold.

Depending on who you're with it could also lead to funny moments. This game doesn't have a lot of "sex laughs" so to speak, but I assure you they really add a lot to your sex life when you or your partner can make a mistake or say something awkward and have a laugh, lighten the mood, and still keep going. It's a joyful, intimate moment where you can experience trust and safety at the same time as horny fun. More of that in general would be nice.

 

[CroqueMonsieur]

Offering my two cents on the Bad End discussion before the topic falls off, i believe either a skip button or a option to turn them off and replace them with a generic "game over" screen would be a welcome addition, that way it's completely up to the player wether or not they want to see that type of content or not; Those averse to it won't need to see it and those into it still get their content.

Of course, this would involve having to go back and update every single bad ending to acommodate, so consider this a thought for potential future projects rather than a demand. I'm pretty content just pummeling the poor Next, Save and Load buttons, personally.

 

[Savin]

Offering my two cents on the Bad End discussion before the topic falls off, i believe either a skip button or a option to turn them off and replace them with a generic "game over" screen would be a welcome addition

I am certainly not opposed to this!

 

[Bleh223]

Would love to see or even here more of Lieutenant Jen, like many things in the foothills feels like the character has been forgotten or abandoned.. was reminded of the character when i saw THIS awesome animation by theobrobine now i really miss the Tsundere mercenary gal

Great, now I'm sad. Not because of Jen, but because I've watched Chainsaw Man.

 

[Loveless]

Would love to see or even here more of Lieutenant Jen, like many things in the foothills feels like the character has been forgotten or abandoned.. was reminded of the character when i saw THIS awesome animation by theobrobine now i really miss the Tsundere mercenary gal

Jen's not a tsundere, bro. She literally just doesn't like you.

 

[DeepDope]

There's no indication in game that bad ends are complete make believe and not indicative of the capability of characters/villians or stakes of events. Probably because the next question is "Then what the hell are they?" I dunno. If you want me to just ignore them...then....what?

I don't mind them in as much as like I implied they show the stakes. I am surprised they don't come up more in TiTs discussions though because WOW even the very darkest CoC2 bad ends feel like nothing next to some of TiTs.

There's a bad end in TiTs if you lose to a black Void pirate during a quest for Akane that is nightmare fuel...if that was just meant to be solely some extra smut for losing then that makes the bad ends so much more awful now that I think about it. Maybe that's just me.

Honestly I never really understood the, "bad endings aren't canon" meme myself. They're obviously not canon because the MC doesn't lose, but this is obvious. But it's a fact that it is possible for the enemies to commit whatever act they happen to do to you and your helpless party, each scene is tailored to the character(s) abilities. You can even argue its within their personality to do so, considering Nakano fucking murders your ass in his rather than rape you. He sees your party as dangerous intruders, so he ends the threat. So why isn't it reasonable for people to hold grudges against any character willing to do horrid shit to you, even if it's only in a scenario where your character loses? I've never seen a bad ending and gone "hmm there's no way this soulless rape monster wouldn't turn me and my companions into portable onaholes here, how unrealistic!"

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Jen's not a tsundere, bro. She literally just doesn't like you.

I don't think we're talking about the same Jen if you don't screw her she's as friendly as hell

 

[Bleh223]

I don't think we're talking about the same Jen if you don't screw her she's as friendly as hell

I don't remember her being friendly trying to fight against me the next couple of times after leaving her alone.

 

[Enigmatic D]

I don't remember her being friendly trying to fight against me the next couple of times after leaving her alone.

I think it just comes with the job of a mercenary group like theirs. Even when the initial misunderstanding is settled, she'll continue to fight what she sees as a whetstone to sharpen herself against. That's what I believe.

 

[Bleh223]

she mentions how you remind her of Commander Leofric

I'm not so sure how I feel about that...

 

[Loveless]

Sigh* I dunno this feels kinda cope. Jen is far too into Leoric to look your direction unless there is some big reveal that Leofric is actually a sham. And since trying to have any sex with her results in her hating you I guess I just can't see it. It's a shame Bubble laid out no future plans for the Mercs as far as I'm aware so we have zero clue of what's to be expected for them. Gimme a sec' I'll check the forum.

 

[Savin]

@Savin can make it clear if he pleases

Not my character I'm afraid!

 

[Bleh223]

Sigh* I dunno this feels kinda cope. Jen is far too into Leoric to look your direction unless there is some big reveal that Leofric is actually a sham. And since trying to have any sex with her results in her hating you I guess I just can't see it. It's a shame Bubble laid out no future plans for the Mercs as far as I'm aware so we have zero clue of what's to be expected for them. Gimme a sec' I'll check the forum.

Yeah, if you really want Jen to be in love with you, you'd have to mind-control her or something...

Just a thought

 

[Loveless]

Bro is full of malevolence (excuse my very shitty edit)

 

[Bleh223]

Alright alright, I think I'm done bringing it up. If there's seemingly a huge pushback against that kind of content for the player, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna go play in the moustasche-twirling corner now.

 

[Shadow Dancer]

People waiting for more Jen content and talking about bubble's future content
BubbleLord right now

 

[SomeNobody]

Think BubbleLord may have peaced-out from the forums as a deliberate choice because of a tendency to lose the plot at people questioning his characters.
Who to be fair are often a bit self-inserty. Like Mr drunk Kitsune who fucks all the chicks, or the Immortal Cheapshot Champion.

 

[Bleh223]

Like Mr drunk Kitsune who fucks all the chicks, or the Immortal Cheapshot Champion.

Don't forget he also fucks all the chicks. Hang on. Now that I think about it, aren't they pretty much the same?

 

[Shadow Dancer]

Think BubbleLord may have peaced-out from the forums as a deliberate choice because of a tendency to lose the plot at people questioning his characters.
Who to be fair are often a bit self-inserty. Like Mr drunk Kitsune who fucks all the chicks, or the Immortal Cheapshot Champion.

It's not just the forum he's been gone for a while now.