What content would you like added?

[zagzig]

Mhmm. A lot of the other “dom” characters seem to be exclusively based on certain porn ideas of dom/sub scenes, rather than actual healthy dom/sub arrangements. Most of them make me wish my muscle twink black mage Champ that I play as a switch/sub had the option to toss a fireball at them, given the nonsense they pull

Like, I get it’s a porn game, but it’s not the best idea to encourage that kind of crap, even unintentionally.

They serve the fantasy, in the same way that we don't have characters eating appropriately the night before and cleaning up with soap and warm water douches before participating in anal play. (This is also why Evelyn cavorting with the maids is a fun and cute backstory and not a horrendous abuse of power)

And as for healthy dom/sub arrangements, Garret's really rough stuff is gated behind a button labelled Be His Bitch. First, the dom, Garret, and the sub, champ, have sexual encounters where Garret is somewhat rough. The sub really enjoys this and asks the dom for an escalation. The dom and sub agree to terms, and then Garret performs his end of the agreed upon terms while pc.name orgasms repeatedly. I'm not seeing how that's a failing on Garret's part.

There are other things of course (there should be a safe word, you ideally would be able to say the safe word during any point in any scene), but with the simulation boundaries of presenting a narrative in a text video game that stuff isn't really included anywhere, even with the softest of service top stuff like Aly's Ryn scenes.

 

[Alypia]

There are other things of course (there should be a safe word, you ideally would be able to say the safe word during any point in any scene), but with the simulation boundaries of presenting a narrative in a text video game that stuff isn't really included anywhere, even with the softest of service top stuff like Aly's Ryn scenes.

Yeah. I've thought about the mechanics of trying to insert points at which someone can choose to use a safe word, and even experimented with actually writing that way, but it makes the scene's flow awful.

I have started to write content where Champ and/or their partner select a safe word beforehand, though.

 

[Acharehnus]

Just a display of aftercare tends to dramatically change the tone of an encounter, for me anyway.

 

[kiby]

There are other things of course (there should be a safe word, you ideally would be able to say the safe word during any point in any scene), but with the simulation boundaries of presenting a narrative in a text video game that stuff isn't really included anywhere, even with the softest of service top stuff like Aly's Ryn scenes.

I've played an example of a game that does do this. At any point during the sex scenes, you can pick the option to say your safe word, and the character immediately stops and makes sure you're alright before cleaning up and sending you on your way. It works well there, because the engine allows the placement of a dedicated Safe Word button outside the text box.

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[Animalistic]

To me it just sounds like y'all want caring doms, not specifically soft ones.

 

[HK-47]

They serve the fantasy, in the same way that we don't have characters eating appropriately the night before and cleaning up with soap and warm water douches before participating in anal play. (This is also why Evelyn cavorting with the maids is a fun and cute backstory and not a horrendous abuse of power)

And as for healthy dom/sub arrangements, Garret's really rough stuff is gated behind a button labelled Be His Bitch. First, the dom, Garret, and the sub, champ, have sexual encounters where Garret is somewhat rough. The sub really enjoys this and asks the dom for an escalation. The dom and sub agree to terms, and then Garret performs his end of the agreed upon terms while pc.name orgasms repeatedly. I'm not seeing how that's a failing on Garret's part.

There are other things of course (there should be a safe word, you ideally would be able to say the safe word during any point in any scene), but with the simulation boundaries of presenting a narrative in a text video game that stuff isn't really included anywhere, even with the softest of service top stuff like Aly's Ryn scenes.

I just strongly dislike unhealthy ideas of dom/sub arrangements being promoted is all, and don’t think it breaks the fantasy to include mentions of having the dom check with the sub throughout, as well as performing aftercare. The possible exception for the former would be consent play, but that’s something that should always be handled carefully, and definitely needs to include the latter.

As for Garret’s stuff specifically, it’s been a long time since I took a gander at it out of curiosity, so I’d have to look through it again, but from what I remember, it would be helpful to have mentions of him checking in with Champ during the scene, as well as mentions of aftercare. Without it, it starts to slide into just plain ol’ abuse.

 

[Ria Brew]

To me it just sounds like y'all want caring doms, not specifically soft ones.

 

[HK-47]

To me it just sounds like y'all want caring doms, not specifically soft ones.

I mean, pretty much, at least in my case. The dom not being an asshole and actually taking care of the sub is just basic etiquette for that sort of thing. Without it, it’s just abuse.

 

[AlipheeseXV]

Would be nice to have aside from inch and foot also to have centimeters and meters for heights and lenths and stuff.

 

[zagzig]

Garret is pretty much tied with Lyla for the worst aftercare in the game - Arona may be a slaving warchief, but she's a cuddler. And check-ins largely consist of "yeah you like that bitch?" (which, frankly same for pretty much any other top or dom in the game). I tend to give leeway because I presume the authors aren't involved in the community. Unless they are, which is fine as well. So at least in my view it's not a failing of the character so much as a limitation of the author and the medium.

Also, in the narrative of the choking scene, champ explicitly asks Garret to please choke them out. And then repeatedly during the scene begs Garret to do it harder (or thinks it, it's hard to tell with indirect dialogue). So, yes, this is RACK being carried out by morons, but I don't think it's fair to call Garret abusive.

Also I've reconsidered - Garret at least leaves you sleeping in his bed. Lyla just leaves you on the ground by the fire.

 

[HK-47]

I tend to give leeway because I presume the authors aren't involved in the community. Unless they are, which is fine as well. So at least in my view it's not a failing of the character so much as a limitation of the author and the medium.

That‘s been my notion as well, as mentioned earlier. Given that, I suppose what I’d like to see is that those who aren’t educated about it do more research before writing that kind of content, since basing it on the kind of stuff shown in certain types of porn just promotes unhealthy ideas, that definitely are abusive IRL.

 

[Animalistic]

Speaking if unhealthy ideas and sexual conceptions: let me top more guys on more musceline spectrum of looks. They are not less "manly" or "badass" if they bottom to their partner. Or at least, that is how I sometimes think game thinks about this whole ordeal.

 

[CitrusWolf]

To me it just sounds like y'all want caring doms, not specifically soft ones.

I mean, I can enjoy roughness a lot, I just want the person who fucks me up to then cuddle and pamper me

 

[SmithEK]

I doubt Garret is truly a dom, I did a few of his scenes just to see what everyone was going on about.. personally he's a grade A asshole, who thinks he's some kind of Alpha and treats women or at least champ with little to no respect in sex, too sure about outside of bedroom. A big man who would no doubt shit himself when coming up against someone his own size and strength.

I love doms like Evelyn, Kas and Verusha (tits)

 

[HK-47]

I doubt Garret is truly a dom, I did a few of his scenes just to see what everyone was going on about.. personally he's a grade A asshole, who thinks he's some kind of Alpha and treats women or at least champ with little to no respect in sex, too sure about outside of bedroom. A big man who would no doubt shit himself when coming up against someone his own size and strength.

Yeah, I ran through it real quick and wasn’t impressed. It is gated behind a specific prompt, which is good, but the actual content is just abusive bad porn-based “dom” nonsense, so a fireball to the face for that wanker.

Seriously, if I had my way with my aforementioned Champ, he’d basically be the Oprah of tossing fireballs at certain folks

 

[Aelana]

To me it just sounds like y'all want caring doms, not specifically soft ones.

Nah, its all about framing. Like, there are rough scenes with Evelyn, like the Maid scene, or especially her Anal scene. But they do not read rough as Sera.

Not to diss Sera, but it reads a lot more sadistic. With her initial scenes, she calls you meat, she slaps you until your ass is red and tears come into your eyes. I'm for the act itself, but do buy me dinner first.

Evelyn on the other hand reads nice. An Evelyn ass-slapping scene would start out with a light slap, then the champ's mix of emotion sould be explored, how weird it was to mix pain and pleasure in this way. Then evelyn would praise the champ, and go further. There is development to the roughness. The slap and tears is not the begining, nor the middle. Its the Crescendo. Followed by an exploration of the champs feelings and how gratifying the experience was.

 

[Oh Philomena]

I totally understand where everyone else is coming from here, but I really like that TiTS and CoC include what would be unsafe BDSM in the real world. The fantasy is being used and discarded by a bad person and coming back for more anyway because you're that much of a slut. Garret's content isn't super my thing because of the lupine PC requirements and emphasis on canine behavior within the scenes, but I enjoy that general style of fictional domination a lot.

I understand why it's a huge turnoff for some people, though, and why it makes certain characters unlikable in a nonsexual sense. (Even if I like Garret's style of domination, I wouldn't ever want to go out for dinner with him.) I'm the opposite — if a scene gets too into the kind of negotiation, care and sweetness you would naturally want in a real BDSM relationship, it kind of kills the vibe.

I've played an example of a game that does do this. At any point during the sex scenes, you can pick the option to say your safe word, and the character immediately stops and makes sure you're alright before cleaning up and sending you on your way. It works well there, because the engine allows the placement of a dedicated Safe Word button outside the text box.

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I love this game! Alexis Royce's naughty stuff is really top-tier, especially in the absolutely miniscule market of "good porn games made for women and AFAB people." And the safe word mechanic is really nice.

 

[HK-47]

@Oh Philomena And that’s totally fair, at the end of day it is just a porn game and is all about people getting their jollies, in whatever form that may take, even if it’s not my cup of tea. My complaint ultimately stems from the fact that I see that kind of unhealthy dynamic promoted way too often in this sort of medium, which can give the wrong idea to people unfamiliar with what a healthy dynamic should actually look like.

 

[Oh Philomena]

Completely! I definitely feel a different way about unsafe BDSM fiction when it's, like, a Fifty Shades of Gray level phenomenon that might be certain people's first exposure to the idea (eurgh) rather than a super-niche porn game for freaks and furries. And although the super-nurturing, realistic type isn't what revs my engine, I like that the games include lots of different "levels" of BDSM for different preferences. It's incredibly impressive for an independent game with a small number of creatives to offer such a wide selection.

Side note: Your username makes me smile whenever I see it. Really need to do another KOTOR playthrough one of these days!

 

[Alypia]

Yeah, like Philomena, I think that there's validity in wanting a fantasy that turns you on even if it's not necessarily best practice IRL, just as there's validity in wanting something closer to best practice IRL because Doing It Wrong either ruins the horny for you or facilitates bad expectations IRL. That's why I'm glad that Garret and Lyla aren't the only characters who shade into the edges of BDSM in this game, and why I'm happy to see people write (and write myself) stuff that's a little closer to the way BDSM's supposed to be.

 

[AStrangeGeek]

Yeah, like Philomena, I think that there's validity in wanting a fantasy that turns you on even if it's not necessarily best practice IRL, just as there's validity in wanting something closer to best practice IRL because Doing It Wrong either ruins the horny for you or facilitates bad expectations IRL. That's why I'm glad that Garret and Lyla aren't the only characters who shade into the edges of BDSM in this game, and why I'm happy to see people write (and write myself) stuff that's a little closer to the way BDSM's supposed to be.

So long as people maintain a grip on the difference between fantasy and reality, I don't see an issue with the game having stuff that would not fly IRL. I used to write a LOT of mind control erotica because it was what turned on myself and my readers. Neither I nor them for the most part would want to see that kind of stuff happen IRL.

At the same time, though, I would still gladly read content that more mirrors reality but placed in a fantasy setting. If it's hot, it's hot, regardless of whether it could (or should) happen IRL.

 

[Aelana]

I totally understand where everyone else is coming from here, but I really like that TiTS and CoC include what would be unsafe BDSM in the real world. The fantasy is being used and discarded by a bad person and coming back for more anyway because you're that much of a slut. Garret's content isn't super my thing because of the lupine PC requirements and emphasis on canine behavior within the scenes, but I enjoy that general style of fictional domination a lot.

Oh no, I am with you on that on every level. My champ has spent some drunken nights with Garret too. But I don't keep coming back to the characters on every play. Maybe its because you are already getting pounded into the dirt crying in tears, that it kinda has issues developing and escalating things from there.

 

[HK-47]

Side note: Your username makes me smile whenever I see it. Really need to do another KOTOR playthrough one of these days!

Declaration: Naturally, meatbag, he is the galaxy’s most amusing assassin droid, after all. How could you not?

 

[Ria Brew]

I explored the Garret stuff largely due to morbid curiosity. The fact that it had a content warning intrigued me and uh.... Absolutely not my thing lmao. Actually kinda left me upset after reading it. However I don't really care that it's in the game. It's there for those who want it and I'm not it's target audience, and recognize it as a fictional indulgence of something that would be no bueno irl.

Also side note: HK-47 discussing safe dom/sub content is also very amusing.

 

[PuppyPrincess]

I totally understand where everyone else is coming from here, but I really like that TiTS and CoC include what would be unsafe BDSM in the real world. The fantasy is being used and discarded by a bad person and coming back for more anyway because you're that much of a slut. Garret's content isn't super my thing because of the lupine PC requirements and emphasis on canine behavior within the scenes, but I enjoy that general style of fictional domination a lot.

I agree, I like that CoC/TiTs offers both sides of that kind of content as well as variety in other types of content. As much as I love getting the "good girls" in the softer/safer BDSM stuff, it's also sometimes fun to do the degrading/complete subby slutty mess stuff.

 

[Kingu2]

This discussion has only made me realize that there isn't nearly enough rough or even classical domming content outside of combat where the player doms. The only NPCs I can think of that fit the bill wholesale are Ethryn and Eubicha.

 

[Aelana]

There isn't? I feel like most Cock-Champion scenes are heavy on the dom side. Especially the anal scenes. There are also quite a few NPCs which touch that

Grainne, The puppy giant just on the top of my head. Or Jael'yn who goes into BDSM (I think? My experience with that is FenCo games )

 

[Kingu2]

There isn't? I feel like most Cock-Champion scenes are heavy on the dom side. Especially the anal scenes. There are also quite a few NPCs which touch that

Grainne, The puppy giant just on the top of my head. Or Jael'yn who goes into BDSM (I think? My experience with that is FenCo games )

Not really. I can't speak on Jaelyn cause I haven't really interacted with her after winter city so maybe, but while the dom content, in general, outweighs sub content by a considerable margin, the vast majority of that dom content (like the other 2 you mentioned) has the player as a gentle or soft dom.

 

[Alypia]

I like writing player domme (or player top, really), but I pretty much always go soft domme, lovedomme, momdom type stuff.

 

[Animalistic]

Yeah, there is not much differentiating ways in how champion can dom.
Barely any spanking, hitting, slapping, choking, degradation or name calling that goes beyond "slut" or "mommy/daddy". Hell, there is not much "daddy/mommy" play in general; or BDSM; or just good old fashioned "breaking a dom into a sub".

The closest that I can think of that player can get is with Ryn. Which is good (and I want more of it) and Brienne but nothing really else that comes immediately to mind. While NPCs get to do all the fun and questionable/rapy stuff you would expect from these types of game. I think the best example I can think of is Arona. The way she doms the champion and the way champion doms her are in different leagues of powerplay. I think only scene that get somewhat as close is her Elthara scene where pc fucks her while she fucks Els ass.

So yeah, lets move some of that hardcore domming onto the players side of the field, hmm?