What content would you like added?
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Garret is pretty much tied with Lyla for the worst aftercare in the game - Arona may be a slaving warchief, but she's a cuddler. And check-ins largely consist of "yeah you like that bitch?" (which, frankly same for pretty much any other top or dom in the game). I tend to give leeway because I presume the authors aren't involved in the community. Unless they are, which is fine as well. So at least in my view it's not a failing of the character so much as a limitation of the author and the medium.
Also, in the narrative of the choking scene, champ explicitly asks Garret to please choke them out. And then repeatedly during the scene begs Garret to do it harder (or thinks it, it's hard to tell with indirect dialogue). So, yes, this is RACK being carried out by morons, but I don't think it's fair to call Garret abusive.
Also I've reconsidered - Garret at least leaves you sleeping in his bed. Lyla just leaves you on the ground by the fire.
Also, in the narrative of the choking scene, champ explicitly asks Garret to please choke them out. And then repeatedly during the scene begs Garret to do it harder (or thinks it, it's hard to tell with indirect dialogue). So, yes, this is RACK being carried out by morons, but I don't think it's fair to call Garret abusive.
Also I've reconsidered - Garret at least leaves you sleeping in his bed. Lyla just leaves you on the ground by the fire.
That‘s been my notion as well, as mentioned earlier. Given that, I suppose what I’d like to see is that those who aren’t educated about it do more research before writing that kind of content, since basing it on the kind of stuff shown in certain types of porn just promotes unhealthy ideas, that definitely are abusive IRL.
Speaking if unhealthy ideas and sexual conceptions: let me top more guys on more musceline spectrum of looks. They are not less "manly" or "badass" if they bottom to their partner. Or at least, that is how I sometimes think game thinks about this whole ordeal.
I mean, I can enjoy roughness a lot, I just want the person who fucks me up to then cuddle and pamper me
I doubt Garret is truly a dom, I did a few of his scenes just to see what everyone was going on about.. personally he's a grade A asshole, who thinks he's some kind of Alpha and treats women or at least champ with little to no respect in sex, too sure about outside of bedroom. A big man who would no doubt shit himself when coming up against someone his own size and strength.
I love doms like Evelyn, Kas and Verusha (tits)
I love doms like Evelyn, Kas and Verusha (tits)
Yeah, I ran through it real quick and wasn’t impressed. It is gated behind a specific prompt, which is good, but the actual content is just abusive bad porn-based “dom” nonsense, so a fireball to the face for that wanker.
Seriously, if I had my way with my aforementioned Champ, he’d basically be the Oprah of tossing fireballs at certain folks
Nah, its all about framing. Like, there are rough scenes with Evelyn, like the Maid scene, or especially her Anal scene. But they do not read rough as Sera.
Not to diss Sera, but it reads a lot more sadistic. With her initial scenes, she calls you meat, she slaps you until your ass is red and tears come into your eyes. I'm for the act itself, but do buy me dinner first.
Evelyn on the other hand reads nice. An Evelyn ass-slapping scene would start out with a light slap, then the champ's mix of emotion sould be explored, how weird it was to mix pain and pleasure in this way. Then evelyn would praise the champ, and go further. There is development to the roughness. The slap and tears is not the begining, nor the middle. Its the Crescendo. Followed by an exploration of the champs feelings and how gratifying the experience was.
I totally understand where everyone else is coming from here, but I really like that TiTS and CoC include what would be unsafe BDSM in the real world. The fantasy is being used and discarded by a bad person and coming back for more anyway because you're that much of a slut. Garret's content isn't super my thing because of the lupine PC requirements and emphasis on canine behavior within the scenes, but I enjoy that general style of fictional domination a lot.
I understand why it's a huge turnoff for some people, though, and why it makes certain characters unlikable in a nonsexual sense. (Even if I like Garret's style of domination, I wouldn't ever want to go out for dinner with him.) I'm the opposite — if a scene gets too into the kind of negotiation, care and sweetness you would naturally want in a real BDSM relationship, it kind of kills the vibe.
I love this game! Alexis Royce's naughty stuff is really top-tier, especially in the absolutely miniscule market of "good porn games made for women and AFAB people." And the safe word mechanic is really nice.
I understand why it's a huge turnoff for some people, though, and why it makes certain characters unlikable in a nonsexual sense. (Even if I like Garret's style of domination, I wouldn't ever want to go out for dinner with him.) I'm the opposite — if a scene gets too into the kind of negotiation, care and sweetness you would naturally want in a real BDSM relationship, it kind of kills the vibe.
I've played an example of a game that does do this. At any point during the sex scenes, you can pick the option to say your safe word, and the character immediately stops and makes sure you're alright before cleaning up and sending you on your way. It works well there, because the engine allows the placement of a dedicated Safe Word button outside the text box.
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I love this game! Alexis Royce's naughty stuff is really top-tier, especially in the absolutely miniscule market of "good porn games made for women and AFAB people." And the safe word mechanic is really nice.
@Oh Philomena And that’s totally fair, at the end of day it is just a porn game and is all about people getting their jollies, in whatever form that may take, even if it’s not my cup of tea. My complaint ultimately stems from the fact that I see that kind of unhealthy dynamic promoted way too often in this sort of medium, which can give the wrong idea to people unfamiliar with what a healthy dynamic should actually look like.
Completely! I definitely feel a different way about unsafe BDSM fiction when it's, like, a Fifty Shades of Gray level phenomenon that might be certain people's first exposure to the idea (eurgh) rather than a super-niche porn game for freaks and furries. And although the super-nurturing, realistic type isn't what revs my engine, I like that the games include lots of different "levels" of BDSM for different preferences. It's incredibly impressive for an independent game with a small number of creatives to offer such a wide selection.
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Side note: Your username makes me smile whenever I see it. Really need to do another KOTOR playthrough one of these days!
Yeah, like Philomena, I think that there's validity in wanting a fantasy that turns you on even if it's not necessarily best practice IRL, just as there's validity in wanting something closer to best practice IRL because Doing It Wrong either ruins the horny for you or facilitates bad expectations IRL. That's why I'm glad that Garret and Lyla aren't the only characters who shade into the edges of BDSM in this game, and why I'm happy to see people write (and write myself) stuff that's a little closer to the way BDSM's supposed to be.
So long as people maintain a grip on the difference between fantasy and reality, I don't see an issue with the game having stuff that would not fly IRL. I used to write a LOT of mind control erotica because it was what turned on myself and my readers. Neither I nor them for the most part would want to see that kind of stuff happen IRL.
At the same time, though, I would still gladly read content that more mirrors reality but placed in a fantasy setting. If it's hot, it's hot, regardless of whether it could (or should) happen IRL.
Oh no, I am with you on that on every level. My champ has spent some drunken nights with Garret too. But I don't keep coming back to the characters on every play. Maybe its because you are already getting pounded into the dirt crying in tears, that it kinda has issues developing and escalating things from there.
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I explored the Garret stuff largely due to morbid curiosity. The fact that it had a content warning intrigued me and uh.... Absolutely not my thing lmao. Actually kinda left me upset after reading it. However I don't really care that it's in the game. It's there for those who want it and I'm not it's target audience, and recognize it as a fictional indulgence of something that would be no bueno irl.
Also side note: HK-47 discussing safe dom/sub content is also very amusing.
Also side note: HK-47 discussing safe dom/sub content is also very amusing.
I agree, I like that CoC/TiTs offers both sides of that kind of content as well as variety in other types of content. As much as I love getting the "good girls" in the softer/safer BDSM stuff, it's also sometimes fun to do the degrading/complete subby slutty mess stuff.
This discussion has only made me realize that there isn't nearly enough rough or even classical domming content outside of combat where the player doms. The only NPCs I can think of that fit the bill wholesale are Ethryn and Eubicha.
There isn't? I feel like most Cock-Champion scenes are heavy on the dom side. Especially the anal scenes. There are also quite a few NPCs which touch that
Grainne, The puppy giant just on the top of my head. Or Jael'yn who goes into BDSM (I think? My experience with that is FenCo games)
Grainne, The puppy giant just on the top of my head. Or Jael'yn who goes into BDSM (I think? My experience with that is FenCo games
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Not really. I can't speak on Jaelyn cause I haven't really interacted with her after winter city so maybe, but while the dom content, in general, outweighs sub content by a considerable margin, the vast majority of that dom content (like the other 2 you mentioned) has the player as a gentle or soft dom.There isn't? I feel like most Cock-Champion scenes are heavy on the dom side. Especially the anal scenes. There are also quite a few NPCs which touch that
Grainne, The puppy giant just on the top of my head. Or Jael'yn who goes into BDSM (I think? My experience with that is FenCo games
I like writing player domme (or player top, really), but I pretty much always go soft domme, lovedomme, momdom type stuff.
Yeah, there is not much differentiating ways in how champion can dom.
Barely any spanking, hitting, slapping, choking, degradation or name calling that goes beyond "slut" or "mommy/daddy". Hell, there is not much "daddy/mommy" play in general; or BDSM; or just good old fashioned "breaking a dom into a sub".
The closest that I can think of that player can get is with Ryn. Which is good (and I want more of it) and Brienne but nothing really else that comes immediately to mind. While NPCs get to do all the fun and questionable/rapy stuff you would expect from these types of game. I think the best example I can think of is Arona. The way she doms the champion and the way champion doms her are in different leagues of powerplay. I think only scene that get somewhat as close is her Elthara scene where pc fucks her while she fucks Els ass.
So yeah, lets move some of that hardcore domming onto the players side of the field, hmm?
Barely any spanking, hitting, slapping, choking, degradation or name calling that goes beyond "slut" or "mommy/daddy". Hell, there is not much "daddy/mommy" play in general; or BDSM; or just good old fashioned "breaking a dom into a sub".
The closest that I can think of that player can get is with Ryn. Which is good (and I want more of it) and Brienne but nothing really else that comes immediately to mind. While NPCs get to do all the fun and questionable/rapy stuff you would expect from these types of game. I think the best example I can think of is Arona. The way she doms the champion and the way champion doms her are in different leagues of powerplay. I think only scene that get somewhat as close is her Elthara scene where pc fucks her while she fucks Els ass.
So yeah, lets move some of that hardcore domming onto the players side of the field, hmm?
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I mean yeah while I am not going to go ">:0 delete dis" over the awful shit doms in the game I wish there were more lovey dovey or those that still care for you after the act is over! I have some... questionable things I am into so I am not one to kinkshame, just wishing there was more bits for me to eat! xD
I know, right? At least 90% why I went with the handle was for the potential absurdity.
Yeah I mean I don't dislike Garrett and I was kind of into some of his scenes but even with the warning, I thought it was too hardcore. While some extreme stuff like choking is locked when PC is pregnant, he's still pretty rough on pregnant pc in other scenes so...yeah. I mean I would NEVER date characters like Arona and Garrett in real life lol.
Oh I like being a subby degenerate too and like some rough stuff but I think particular problems with a lot of doms are that there's not enough show of a softer side to them. I understand enemies/random mobs being rough on you since they don't care/know about you but the npcs where you can interact and build relationships should be different.
That's my biggest problem with Lyla and Garrett. Along with the lack of aftercare, there isn't enough show of their affection and softness toward pcs. I don't expect every dom to be praising pc like Evelyn (even though it's the best), I do like having varieties. But the balance between roughness and showing softer/nicer sides is important. It's hard to like the character that's rough on you basically all the time and rarely shows they care about you in some way (I can literally only think of one scene for Lyla and Garrett). Like heck someone mentioned Sera. She is rough on you in the beginning but she shows a lot of softer side to you after Disco 3000 event and if pc gives birth to her kids.
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This is why I like the fact that the game is open to pretty much anyone to contribute so long as you can write well. I can do hardcore stuff as much as the next guy, but I like a balance. So it's nice to see a writer doing the softer stuff.
Fair enough. I mainly play as a VaginaChampion, so I have other issues with the "normal" Vagina scenes. Like, I am happy having the problem of too many soft topping scenes. Loss scenes generally work better IMO than victory scenes for me. They are framed in the sense of: "OMG dick is amazing, even if the dick-haver is a dick." I feel like most vagina victory scenes are framed the same, like "omg dick is amazing, even if the dick-haver feels bad now." The scenes feel like the dick is doing the work, instead of the VaginaChamp.
What I want is more of twink-god Mallach, and his VaginaChamp scene. This scene was a ride, and a huge breath of fresh air. It was a scene where I felt VaginaChamp was topping, was in control, and was putting in the work.
Again, the lack of twinks in game is disturbing. I know why it is the case, but still...
Sometimes I wish there was an opportunity to turn the tables on Garret a bit, have a VagChamp be a bit more dominant than he was prepared for and start riding him like Hethia in Dog Days. Super macho arrogant guys finding out they're more of a sub than they thought is hot to me, and (grains of salt ready, it's been a while since I did Dog Days) Garret seemed opposed to the Hethia sex, but not so opposed that he had nothing good to say about it; so it might not be the biggest stretch that it was more the "I'm letting myself be raped to protect the loggers" that he objected to wholeheartedly than the "I'm being collared and dommed right now", and might be more receptive should someone do it to him in a less hostile environment. Or I might just be leaping logic because it sounds hot to me.
You know I think Hethia kind of raping him made him averse to being bottom or possibly being submissive. Doesn't explain all of his roughness but it's implied he was a virgin before Hethia fucked him. Dick virginity doesn't seem to be taken as special as vaginal virginity but being forced to get fucked with him having no control over it (and he was literally caged and kind of treated like an animal) doesn't do well for a 1st sexual experience. He made it seems like it's not a big deal since he's too prideful to admit it but it might have traumatized him a bit.
It's a hot idea though!
Yes! Finally someone sees it.
When bottoming, most of the time it feels like the one who is doing most of the work and making the sex feel good in general is the one possessing the shaft.
It is the champion who gets overwhelmed with pleasure and becomes a passive participant. Text that barely describing champions movements or effects that they are having on their partner. Really, just more emphasis on PCs efforts would go a long way.
But, also, fuck yes to more powerbottom scenes. What I would not give for more scenes where champion is in control while riding a cute Twink into the ground. Seeing his face twist and contour into a profile of overwhelming extacy with each descent of our hips while we milk him dry. Just overwhelming a guy with pleasure until he is screaming your name while you are nibbing on his ear.
So, yeah, someone write more submissive twinks. Or Baras. Or twunks. I am not picky.