TiTs confessions...

XBoxMaster131

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Regarding the whole.... discussion... that occurred earlier....

It's my opinion that words only have real power when people put power behind them, and depending on the usage and context, they can be different things.

Take the word "motherfucker", for instance. It can either be an insult, or you can use it in a casual manner, such as greeting your friend and saying "hey you dirty old motherfucker!" And to me, the same thing applies to other words. Hell, it even works the other way around! Take the word "bitch", for instance. Used to be that it just meant "a female dog". Then, over time, people began to use the word differently, and put power behind it, and it became an insult.

In my mind, on their own, words are words, and nothing more. It's the power we put behind them and the context we use them in that gives them meaning and makes them have impact. Virtually any word can be given power and used to insult somebody. It's all a matter of the force the speaker puts into it, and how the words are used. Going by this, even words such as "trans" can be contorted into insults. That's just how language works.

At least that's how I see it.
 

XBoxMaster131

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Now, let's all cross our fingers and pray a mod doesnt strike me down for that little speach!

But man, this whole thing derailed fast, huh? Only lasted what, twenty minutes?
 

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Now, let's all cross our fingers and pray a mod doesnt strike me down for that little speach!

But man, this whole thing derailed fast, huh? Only lasted what, twenty minutes?
It was getting back on topic, until you thought to drag it out.
 

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Derails do not bother me if the result is meaningful discussion conducted in a respectful manner.

With that said, another TiTs sin: Derailing a TiTs thread with meaningful discussion conducted in a respectful manner.
 
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XBoxMaster131

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Derails do not bother me if the result is meaningful discussion conducted in a respectful manner.

Another TiTs sin: Derailing a TiTs thread with meaningful discussion conducted in a respectful manner.
Ok, cool, glad theres no hard feelings!
 

XBoxMaster131

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We really need more alien aliens. And more monsters, too. It's ridiculously hard to make a monster girl Steele I can be proud of.
Just find some randomizer thingy and put a bunch of part flags on it. The best monsters are ones that are basically mishmashes of tons of stuff!
 

XBoxMaster131

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As for my sins... well, pretty much the only one I can think of is something I dont consider a sin.

I use TiTSed all the time. Like, all the time. I think I've spent more time fucking around with it than I've actually spent playing the game, lol.

But, look, it's like giving a man a choice between being an angel, or being God. Coarse I'm gonna pick God! Why wouldnt i?
 

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While i understand that certain terminology is blatantly offensive (cause seeing any racial slur would piss me off even if it were directed toward a group im not apart of) I do also know that there isn't any malicious intent behind the terminology used in TiTs, it just mirrors the terms used in pornographic art like the furry, yaoi, yuri and erotica communities that make up the bulk of TiTs players.

In the case of TiTs, and most other porn, these terms aren't slurs but established descriptors that align with ppl's specific kinks. Sure it'd be easy to use some catch all term but that's counter to how we view our porn. Porn must be categorized, especially in this medium where FenCo has created a living, breathing world. Ppl have very specific kinks. Like, for instance, me. I like masc males, certain femboys, cuntboys and futas (but mostly when they're pegging masc males)... and thats just based on gender and sex. I wouldn't like, for instance, a femboy who identifies as a girl regardless of their bits but a guy who is feminine while still retaining masculine or gender neutral pronouns is great... because I'm not sexually attracted to women and a woman is more than facial bone structure and what she has in her pants. A masculine guy in a skirt is hot so long as he considers himself a guy cause if he considers himself a girl i am suddenly banging a girl which is full stop for me. Except in the case of michaek b jordan who could tell me to call him sally and I'd do so happily. TiTs shemales usually turn me off also.

So the terms are just used to help ppl find the things that they like while avoiding things they dont, and using some catch all would destroy that and erase the identies of the chars involved.

Take turning "traps" into "twinks" for example, a trap isnt trans or a woman, nor is a trap always skinny. A trap is, however, a fem male... we could lump them in with twinks... except traps can also be chubby and twinks can also be masc. Not only are you commiting erasure of the possibility of chubby traps (who are adorable) but to the ppl that specifically want a guy who looks like a girl you're making it harder to find what they like.

Plus take into account that all the words we have for "traps" offends someone. Fem male, trans, cross dresser, trap... it all has negative real world connotations for a host of reasons, the main being that this minority group is regularly demonized by society. Fem male erases the possibility that this guy who looks like a girl could be masc, blatant gender identity erasure. Trap seems dishonest implying that these men are liars for looking female even if they're honest about their sex. Calling them males would piss off the ppl the content is written for because they see male and think masc, it also erases the specific and nuanced gender identity of the char. Hell some ppl even have an issue with the word twink cause it implies bottom in gay culture, as if being a bottom is a slur even tho someone has to do it but apart of heteronormativity is the dehumanizing of women and subs.

So yeah it may be easier to word swap and say trans-suchNsuch or expand the use of words like twink. But that system isn't descriptive enough and won't work for porn. This proposed system eliminates all the benefits of the current one for the sake of political correctness.

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In conclusion I think what needs to happen is the ppl who take issue with the current terminology should discuss what terminology they'd prefer and take the time to create a new, more trans friendly, list of terms.

Ignoring the ppl that don't like the words used isnt the answer, even if nothing gets changed they deserve to at least have the convo and be taken seriously. They also deserve a safe way to communicate with sympathetic authors without dealing with naysayers poking holes in their concerns.

We can't do a catch all because that wouldn't work and could make the porn less user friendly. Its also lazy and spits in the face of what is trying to be accomplished.

And lets be honest, it is possible that even with a system that is more descriptive while being community friendly we would still piss off more ppl down the line. Thats why the creator's intent is so important
 

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The most holiest of grounds
I've never played a merc.
 

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I've only briefly recruited Ramis or bought out Sera because they make fun of my ship...
 

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More lovecraftian horror then?
I mean, have you SEEN Shoggoth from Monster Girl Encyclopedia?

But that aside, I really love subtle monsters, even designs like Princess King Boo a lot. Monsters that change shape, to the truly inhuman to those that only vaguely resemble humans, up to and including creatures like the Qunari.

I find those a lot more interesting than just making anthros and calling them monsters/aliens. There are exceptions to that rule, of course, but it's generally true for me.

So another sin of mine would be that I have never made one of the full-anthro characters. Not even a Myr - the only full transformations I regularly enjoy are Lucifier and Raskvel - and I like to turn my half-Leithan main into a full Leithan, too.
 

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Not to intentionally derail this thing again, but when did shemale become an insult to trans people? From my time spent on sub-reddits that are stuffed to the gills with MtF trans people the only word that's insulting all the time is 'transvestite' i'd argue 'sissy' is closer to being an insult in these circles than 'shemale' is. Now granted these sub-reddits I visit frequently aren't just trans subs, they are porn and sex subs, and the word 'sissy' is self claimed and is used as interchangeably as 'slut' is used on other porn subs

on topic though, I avoid male/male scenes like the plague if i don't like the description/bust eg. love sucking brynn's cock, but i avoid the scenes with quenton and busky
 
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I literally despise the word "shemale". Just make them trans women! Call them trans women! There's no reason for writers to not just make them trans women. Also, really not a fan of the word "trap". Either you're taking about a trans man or a twink. It's literally not that hard to just be respectful of people.
We're talking about a completely different setting here with completely different rules. They literally -aren't- transgendered people, they're women or even hermaphrodites with penises. This is a setting where people can mix and match their parts all they want and genders are much more fluid or outright alien. It's not going to conform perfectly to currently-accepted ideas and it really shouldn't; TiTS is way less binary than we are.

and others have said it but traps and transgendered people aren't the same thing, either. Not trying to be rude here but the LGBT scene doesn't have a monopoly on words and archetypes. They don't invalidate each other and they shouldn't really try and force each other to conform to their own ideas since that often leads to one side not understanding how the other side's thing is different from theirs.
 

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I haven't even seen Fisianna in my entire life.
I tried but I couldn't get through it. The character just isn't all that interesting between being super vanilla and look how cute look how cute and it read like all of those English dating sim visual novels that're a dollar a dozen on Steam.

also chiming in that I haven't played the game in months. With the lewd games that catch my attention with each update there's a distinct sense that they're moving forward and building on their core systems. With TiTS it's like "here's some new character or something" and I just think "oh, okay, maybe I'll see them at some point when there's more game to play".
 
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Foxxling

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I mean, have you SEEN Shoggoth from Monster Girl Encyclopedia?

But that aside, I really love subtle monsters, even designs like Princess King Boo a lot. Monsters that change shape, to the truly inhuman to those that only vaguely resemble humans, up to and including creatures like the Qunari.

I find those a lot more interesting than just making anthros and calling them monsters/aliens. There are exceptions to that rule, of course, but it's generally true for me.

So another sin of mine would be that I have never made one of the full-anthro characters. Not even a Myr - the only full transformations I regularly enjoy are Lucifier and Raskvel - and I like to turn my half-Leithan main into a full Leithan, too.

I really have never fooled around with the transformation mechanic as much as most ppl do.

Aside from using man up, working out and getting a tail cunt/cock I don't really change much from my initial steele who is generally half Ausar or half kaithrit depending on if I wanna try sub content or dom content... Aside from that the only major TF I've actually done is the goo stuff and that is fucking epic 10/10 lvl over 9,000 content.

I'm boring compared to everyone else here.

And compared to my Coc chars. They tended to be heavily tf'ed but tfs also gave combat additional flavor. The one thing I always love being able to do is fly.
 

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Eh, sub content just doesn't appeal to me. There's no real explanation other than that.
Fair enough. I was just curious about people's boundaries, since I don't have one there.
I never save kiro
My friend doesn't either. It's pretty funny, since I could fix her machine as a Techie but fuck her instead, and he wants to fix the machine and can't so he leaves.
Also my sins, I destroyed Tarkus on purpose, I ran with one of the detonators and left Mitzi behind, I caused Myrellion to be glassed after helping Kara, I killed the ice dragon on my first time beating it and I don't know, I killed Zaalt. I'm the worst person in all of tits history.
Okay, the fuck?
I think ausars are a really bland and boring species.

Spreads arms, waiting for firing squad.
While you're not wrong, I love playing a half-Ausar.
A ton of stuff
I understand that there's no negative connotation, and I'm not even asking for things to be redone, this is simply something I have to look past instead of look forward to.
I've never played a merc.
I've never played anything but a Techie, there is no sin here. You are absolved!
Not to intentionally derail this thing again, but when did shemale become an insult to trans people? From my time spent on sub-reddits that are stuffed to the gills with MtF trans people the only word that's insulting all the time is 'transvestite' i'd argue 'sissy' is closer to being an insult in these circles than 'shemale' is. Now granted these sub-reddits I visit frequently aren't just trans subs, they are porn and sex subs, and the word 'sissy' is self claimed and is used as interchangeably as 'slut' is used on other porn subs
As far as I can tell, the 70s, but I'm not a historian. I felt "sissy" referred to cross-dressing men, and was specifically a sex term like "slut", so it would bother me because you're calling me a man, but not someone who fit the bill. Personally, being called "bitch" or "slut" is hot pillow-talk for me, although I don't see how being a slut is bad irl if you're safe.
 

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Not to intentionally derail this thing again, but when did shemale become an insult to trans people? From my time spent on sub-reddits that are stuffed to the gills with MtF trans people the only word that's insulting all the time is 'transvestite' i'd argue 'sissy' is closer to being an insult in these circles than 'shemale' is. Now granted these sub-reddits I visit frequently aren't just trans subs, they are porn and sex subs, and the word 'sissy' is self claimed and is used as interchangeably as 'slut' is used on other porn subs
Oh for sure. The overlap with superficially similar concepts like traps or transgendereds is purely cosmetic and -that's- a comparison anyone who isn't into it should find insulting. Shemale is fetishizing a body type, sure, but that's just sexuality. People have their ideal body images for themselves or others and that's not inherently insulting. Calling someone a sissy is.

For those who don't know much about it that's a fetish that plays on the guy-centric worldview that there are two types of men: alphas and betas/macho men and sissy men/real men and pussies. One has all the masculine traits guys idealize and the other has none of them. The sex-fetish is taking that idea of the emasculated beta male or whatever they want to call it and insulting them/emasculating them further by essentially saying "because you're not a real man you're going to become a real man's bitch". A sissy isn't -really- feminine, they're not-masculine and dressing them up with frilly pink tutus and making their dick small and so on is just an insult to their male pride.

For obvious reasons anyone's who's trying to pursue femininity in a genuine way, whether aesthetically or socially or however else, should feel insulted at overlapping with an idea that declares that things they like are a source of shame and embarrassment and punishment for not being masculine.

That's why I don't like the Prai Ellit (I think that's the name) character. There's the trying-too-hard quirkiness but my main gripe is that Prai is blatantly getting off to being a sissy boy while insisting on being taken seriously as a person, both as a woman and a scientist. The character's a joke and the content's all about tormenting them for being so haplessly pathetic.

On the flip side though I like Ramis's content, especially the new stuff, because Ramis has a preconception that any pretty-looking boy must be a little sissy-thing. If Steele keeps pushing against that by working out with her, not having a uselessly small dick, going all in on her snu snu then she gives off a sense that she's impressed -and- ridiculously turned on. In those scenes she uses words like sissy as a challenge because she knows it bothers a Steele who's trying not to be one. "Hey, do one more sit up, you're not a sissy, are you?".

These mentalities exist so I won't say they should be avoided. Touching on loaded ideas is a big part of what makes content hot but there're a good way to play them and then there's playing right to them in a way that can be distasteful.