The red demon goat contract list

Liadri · Jul 14, 2016

Etis · Jul 14, 2016

Transhumanism? Interesting, but... How would it work? The whole point of it is that it is inorganic stone. So most of the game would make no sense.

Liadri · Jul 14, 2016

Soul transfer actualy. The same way the collosus in lethice palace is powered by a crystal of lethicite I plan to have PC transfer his or her soul into the statue to infuse it life. Of course once your there theres no turning back. It's gunna be a lenghty quest to aquire ingrediant and research the proper ritual with the PC finaly turning into a free willed intelligent gargoyle.

Advantages of this is you become 100% immune to pregnancy dont need to eat anymore and prety much gain a tail attack along with wings and a heavy natural armor albeith you still need to take life force somewhere so i might make it so you need an imput of fluid every now and then like slime (or use energy pills from ormael mode long as you ressource yourself on energy one way or another)

Oh and yea you can wander around naked and still have a huge AC.

Amonst the option the binding ritual will involve you to chose between using minotaur blood (making you a horny gargoyle feeding on sex) or your own blood (giving off a pure vibe but forcing you to live off energy recovery pills)

Liadri · Jul 14, 2016

Update

The tf should be about done, I just need to get it coded and verified altrought I'll likely extend the quest to a longuer one eventualy forcing the PC to complete a dungeon or two first.

For now the combat text, description text and ritual is done it will require the pc to have at least 80 inteligence to perform.

I'll also include a alternative bad end for losing to demonic bosses one for the phoenix tower and one for the sand witch. All of them involve you now behing used as a decorative statue and sex toy.

Arhon · Jul 22, 2016

Will this include some Cathedral scenes?

Ormael · Jul 22, 2016

Arhon said:
Will this include some Cathedral scenes?

It does inclued visiting Cathedral since future "body" for PC will be found there

EDIT: Cool avator you got. So adorable xD

Arhon · Jul 22, 2016

Great

Grigori · Jul 24, 2016

Aren't gargoyles kind of tied to their stone based on the mythos?
Just a thought, but what about using the prisoner mod as a basis for being stuck as a gargoyle within the cathedral?
Which basicly makes you permanently or temporarily stuck at this place.Insert other media

Imo instead of turning yourself into a gargoyle. Why not use a scenario where you take the gargoyles place within the cathedral through some evil magic or some shit. Turning you into a gargoyle and letting the gargoyle loose in "human" form. To let yourself out of this hell you would have to find the gargoyle out in the wild and beat it to reverse the process. Maybe with some lingering side-effects. Just my two cents.

Ormael · Jul 24, 2016

It's isn't exactly like this myths you meantion with gargoyles been unable move too much from their stone. We still talking about Mareth realm where stuff happens differently. So yes PC would be becoming gargoyle but not one that is then stuck forever just like gargoyle girl in cathedral.

Still some things like turning into stone for sleep or becoming statue in few dungeons bad ends will happen. Also it does have one side-effect for becoming gargoyle. It's pernament at least until PC win the game and choose ascension to the next one. But for this would have equal benefits. heh could jokly say they are not yet all of those set in stone

ThatOneJester · Jul 24, 2016

Arhon said:
Great

Your avatar picture is adorable....

What is it doing in a pornographic gaming forum!!!

Zavos · Jul 24, 2016

I suppose one of the potential disadvantages is that the stone of a dormant gargoyle champion is actually less durable then the superhuman champion's flesh

Ormael · Jul 24, 2016

I not sure if garyole PC will be so much more "squishy" than other PC's that can use different TF to become tough. Quite high bonus to toughness and high natural armor rating that Liadri proosed may make it up to pair with other combinations (but on armor part it's still not settled how high it would be).

Stadler · Jul 25, 2016

I don't like this one-way-ticket approach to gargoyle TF. How about this one:
At late game the player discovers, that the gargoyle at the cathedral is the first or one of the first gargoyles, but there are more gargoyles in marae. Some of them are living statues, but some of them gained the ability to lay eggs an breed them, so there are gargoyles, that are born as a gargoyle.
This would open up for a step-by-step gargoyle TF rather, than just the one-way-ticket approach.
Gargoyles mostly sleep in their stone-form during the day and rarely leave their castle/fortress/whatever they are protecting during the day and rarely wake-up during the day.

When you TF toward a gargoyle at some point you'll gain the Living Statue Perk granting you the ability to sleep on your camps wall at night (I know, that this doesn't fit for a gargoyle, but we can't turn the day-and-night-cycles of the player upside-down). However; this would require to upgrade your camp and its wall to be a stone building and probably somewhat bigger. Gargoyles have a deeper sleep, than any other race, when they sleep in their stone-form but they immediately wake up, when someone or something threatens the their home. Oh, and they have a tougher skin, than other races I'd say.

About the cathedral: How about the following 'tiny' modification: The cathedral is rebuilt nearer to the camp. Just near enough so that it is in sight, so that the player can look at it during the night, thus making the 'Stone Sleep' more interesting.

About sex scenes and pregnancy. Since I don't think, that Savin would allow futafication or hermification of the gargoyle and probably not even making her pregnant, I'd suggest the following approach:
The player can gain the Gargoyle Womb (again: he loses it, when his gargoyle score goes below a certain threshold). After laying an egg, the player brings it to the rebuilt cathedral). To get pregnant, you need to get penetrated by a monster or another gargoyle. As long, as you have a Gargoyle Womb, all fertilized eggs you lay, are gargoyle eggs, cept some exemptions, like getting pregged by Benoit(e). However: the sex scene should be a somewhat short story, since players should prefer having sex with the gargoyle-girl at the cathedral.

Just my 2 cents to this.

[Edit:] No matter, how this would be implemented to the game, we need to talk this over with Savin. So take my ideas as random idea, meaning, nothing is final.

Zavos · Jul 25, 2016

Idea: Gargoyles get a perk that grants them a massive armor boost during wait (with diminishing, eventually negative returns on spam) at the cost of all evasion during wait. Possibly, this could extend to fantasize as well.

Ormael · Jul 25, 2016

In TiTS we got irreversable TF too and so far noone complained much on it. If some is curious check if PC there can change into something else after taking few doses of GaloMax.

I know @Stadler that one way change is quite tricky thing and so doe Liadri know this. But this thing is still some time ago before been added and probably few more talks with Savin to be sure he not gonna start heavenly tribulation on Xianxia ^^

Even I not sure how exactly it would ends up. There is few thought of mine about changes to make this one way transformation less...painful but this still up to decide when I got some actual code for this made to test. Anyway I not saying you can;t tell your thoughts. They surely could give us a thought about final shape of Gargoyle TF.

hatternumber0 · Jul 25, 2016

Zevos said:
Idea: Gargoyles get a perk that grants them a massive armor boost during wait (with diminishing, eventually negative returns on spam) at the cost of all evasion during wait. Possibly, this could extend to fantasize as well.

I like this idea. the Wait option gets no love normally.

Ormael · Jul 25, 2016

Zevos said:
Idea: Gargoyles get a perk that grants them a massive armor boost during wait (with diminishing, eventually negative returns on spam) at the cost of all evasion during wait. Possibly, this could extend to fantasize as well.

Ahh forget about it in last reply. There is in code option called Defend that supposed to give PC dmg reduction to 1/3. Something I keep pushing back on list to do (I mean to give PC access to using it). Well this option with Gargoyle could probably give even bigger armor boost for it duration.

Arhon · Jul 26, 2016

ThatOneJester said:
Your avatar picture is adorable....

What is it doing in a pornographic gaming forum!!!

Every forums needs an adorable cat.

Stadler · Jul 27, 2016

Ormael said:
In TiTS we got irreversable TF too and so far noone complained much on it. If some is curious check if PC there can change into something else after taking few doses of GaloMax.

Sorry, I forgot to mention it, but: I know that. I even have a SaveGame with 5 GaloMax in my inventory

While I like that TF in TITS I don't really want an irreversible TF in CoC.

Ormael · Jul 27, 2016

Stadler said:
Sorry, I forgot to mention it, but: I know that. I even have a SaveGame with 5 GaloMax in my inventory
While I like that TF in TITS I don't really want an irreversible TF in CoC.

What in your opinion make irreversable TF charming in TiTS while made in CoC makes it feel...jsut not right? I kinda curious what makes you feel like that.

Stadler · Jul 27, 2016

Well, that's somewhat hard to explain. Its like trying to explain, why I like one color more than the other, but I'll try my best.

First off, GaloMax is hard to obtain without cheating. Additionally I see TFing to an ever shifting goo to be different from TFing to a living statue. On the other hand I want to TF to gargoyle and back without needing to load and old SaveGame to revert it. I'd prefer a step by step TF for gargoyles rather than one-step and one-way-ticket. I play TITS and CoC differently. TITS has a scifi setting, while CoC has a fantasy-setting.
TL/DR: TITS is not CoC and Galotians aren't Gargoyles. And again: It's still hard to explain.

Oh: And you can't have 'Goo Fun', when you're a living statue. I don't want to crumble to a pile of rocks upon trying. Meaning: Goo is liqiud, while statues are soild.

Ormael · Jul 27, 2016

Well becoming gargoyle will be aslo quite hard. I calling it as gargoyle TF but actualy Liadri will set quite not easy quest that will make PC look into few places for some additional items needed for ritual of becoming gargoyle. And if you want some other analogy to became gargoyle is like human necromancer turning into lich. And since we not gonna have anything of this sort on CoC gargules will be similar to Lich in regard it's one way change.

I do see some points where I will talk with the one who is creator of this about how to solve some things. Well still points you make won't be totaly wasted efforts. For sure I will rise things you meantioned in this future talks of our

Liadri · Jul 30, 2016

Since a few explanation is required I will explain why gargoyle is a permanant transformation

Gargoyle are before anything not living behings. They are made of stones, animated by magic rituals... and powered by a soul.

How exactly a gargoyle is created is a mix of golemancy and soul magic similar to lich craft. By what I wrote, a human sacrifice soul is put into a soul gem wich will be used to breath life into the construct and give it a personnality (else our gargoyle would be a dumb automaton like the colossus in lethice palace). The reason why this TF is permanant is not because the transformation is irreversible but rather because this isn't a transformation at all. Rather it's a soul transfer as you will be inserting your soul and conciousness into a somewhat more durable and powerfull body. (the custom gargoyle you carved yourself)

To explain how it will work.

Step 1 Chose the material: You can either craft your gargoyle out of alabaster or marble for either a magical specialised gargoyle or a physical specialised gargoyle.

step 2 Create your gargoyle: You have an unfinished gargoyle stone block ready for the carving add whatever feature you want to customise from the wing shape to the body parts size! heck if you wanna have A cup breast or a huge E its up to you!

Step 3 Gather the component for the rituals: Golemancy is an art that require reagent, you need to gather them.

Step 4 Craft a soul gem: Such a ritual require a soul gem to hold the sacrifice soul in order to proceed you will need to research the demon data Zetaz left behind and craft your own with Rathazul.

Step 5 Chose the binding spell: You can either corrupt or do a pure ritual depending on wich blood you use for the arcane circle resulting into either a pure (feed from ambient energy using soul force) or corrupted gargoyle (feed from the energy of other trought sex like a demon).

Step 6: You did the ritual as planned using your gargoyle friend to finish the word you couldn't say yourself. Congratulation you are now a full fledged gargoyle and you have your own custom piedestal located in your camp as by how you planned your ritual. (As someone mentionned a gargoyle needs a piedestal to rest on for energy recovery... due to the permanancy of your form at least 3 bad end have been added to accomodate for it should you lose in lethice palace, the sand witch lair or the phoenix tower)

So yea in some way you personnalise your body toroughtly during the ritual. I guess it would be possible to add a second ritual to ''repurpose'' a gargoyle body past the first one located in the cathedral wich could allow you to switch body parts size etc trought magic.

Edit: It would be interesting to add a few additionnal option to the cathedral fellowing this change such as the option to actualy turn it into a custom player house etc maybe even make it open to the public again.

About the perks:I like the idea of having massively increased armor during the wait option why not add it to what we have already, still the gargoyle shape is made to defend and guard a place from intruders and is equiped with no less then a full arsenal of natural weapon (yea you can totaly get into clawing tail slamming and smashing your foe like a gargoyle would). I wanted to make Gargoyle mode something like galomax with tons of option to make it a unique tf in itself. Something you just can't get or reciprocate in any other way. Behing unable to combine gargoyle with other TF also help offset its many advantages.

Stadler · Jul 30, 2016

My reason for preferring this to be a non-permanent transformation is that I see gargoyles to be more like Disney's Gargoyles, meaning that they can reproduce by laying eggs and so on

Liadri · Jul 30, 2016

Well this would be totaly away from the original cannon there i mean the cathedral gargoyle clearly stated shes not a living behing

Stadler · Jul 30, 2016

Yep, I know that. Hence my suggestion ^^

Liadri · Jul 30, 2016

Stadler said:
Yep, I know that. Hence my suggestion ^^

Id rather avoid stepping to far away from the original cannon if possible. If gargoyle are magical construct then so be it pc will have to become one.

Stadler · Aug 1, 2016

Yeah, but keep in mind, that an irreversible TF can be tricky to implement into the mutations system of CoC Revamp, but I guess, that you and/or @Ormael have considered that.

Feel free to file PRs to my mod and I see, what I can do about that. Actually I had an idea of yet another irreversible TF (Hydra for example) so I'm actually looking forward to bring irreversible TFs to CoC Revamp.

PS: Please don't nail me on the Hydra since I have to figure out how (and especially if) I bring multiple heads into CoC.

Ormael · Aug 1, 2016

Nah I not gonna nail or anything like that to you for hydra idea. And currently Liadri should be testing gargoyle body parts ingame if all looks fine or some scenes makes it look weird plus all three attacks that are added when PC became gargoyle ^^

Ofc I would keep in mind your offer of making PR. There si still few things about them I not get to work on (well for once I do not intend to them been added so soon so it's more like I already work on them slowly not to meantion I would once again contact savin about few other things to be in clearance he still not voicing any opposition to our (Liadri and mine) plans, for second I want in max next two weeks release 0.7b and gargoyle content may req. more than those two weeks to be fully finished & polished).

Liadri · Aug 1, 2016

Edit on testing progress: The 3 special attacks works and deals damage as intended. I realy hope for more cooldown ability based combat in the future to bring some dynamism to melee and ranged battles.

Curently gargoyle quest isn't implemented yet.

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