Gedan's script is gone and they are working on porting to javascript so there is just no time
Source Code Access
- Thread starter Gedan
- Start date
Uh huh. no time for:
Code:
git remote add public-release https://github.com/OXOIndustries/TiTS-Public.git
git push public-release (commit-hash-here):masterJust assuming it'd be a hash because they don't seem to use release tags historically.
That is literally all you have to do to do a push of a given commit to the public repository.
Porting the game might be a noble effort, but I just can't buy that they don't have time.
I'm more inclined to attribute it to forgetting or not really feeling the need.
Considering that Gedan wrote and used a dedicated script I don't think it is that easy
It actually is that easy.
It's possible the "script" also did some other things, like uploading the files to a server, publishing download links, and updating the "getter" PHP scripts that they use to get the latest version. The sort of script that runs every time you release an update.
But none of that is vital to the basic task of pushing to a git repository; my two lines were likely just two lines in the original script and the rest of it had other functions.
Also, it doesn't sound like you've used git before beyond 'git clone' and 'git pull' (or potentially using a GUI).
The two commands I gave constitute a complete script to push to the repo sans intelligently getting the commit hash. If you wanted you could replace the thing in parentheses with "%1" or "$1" (depending on platform) and just make an argument to the script be the hash to push.
Last edited:
That sounds fair I am not a programmer (and yes I did use a GUI), but if it really is as easy as you say it is why hasn't it been done. (there is most likely something that isn't known)
That's a good question that I've been wanting an answer for for well over a year. But they aren't forthcoming (radio silence). I can't give you an actual answer because again they have not communicated anything meaningful about the issue in a long, long time, and I'm not part of any "inner circle." I can only draw my own (largely negative/pessimistic) conclusions (like I mentioned above; that they either don't feel the need/care or they forgot for four months).
The only immediate benefit they get from pushing the code is that people doing pull requests/contributions are given a more up-to-date code base to work from.
I'd argue that there's a secondary benefit in that I (and possibly others) would be a bit assured that the "main team" values a degree of transparency. But that's a secondary impact and it's clear a lot of people simply don't care as long as they can still download the binary blob.
Last edited:
Interesting; when did that happen?
And surely fen is capable of running a git command as well?
I don't know how they have things arranged between them, but it still sounds strange. I have no real context to go by, though.
Last edited:
I've watched a stream of Fen once and he seemed to be using a GUI, and looking at merges from commits from public forks it seems Geddy does all that (manually?).
Though I base this on very limited info.
This is a question that has been on my mind so many times, it should indeed be (almost) as easy as dragontamer said..
I'd hope we got an explanation for that sometime
Just doing my monthly check-in. Still no source drops in the last five months.
I mean, I know we don't own the code and we shouldn't feel "entitled" to it, but I'd almost rather be told straight up "we're not gonna share it anymore" than get the silent treatment. Then I'd be able to stop thinking about it (after the initial irritation, anyway).
I'm allergic to discord (IRC master race, and also my computer's a potato), but next time it comes up (since apparently fen as asked gedan to fix this before), feel free to share any of the commands I demoed if you think they'll be helpful.
I don't know if those win32 git GUI's even provide the CLI tool anyways, so it might not help much if the gui is all that fen has used.
I mean, I know we don't own the code and we shouldn't feel "entitled" to it, but I'd almost rather be told straight up "we're not gonna share it anymore" than get the silent treatment. Then I'd be able to stop thinking about it (after the initial irritation, anyway).
I'm allergic to discord (IRC master race, and also my computer's a potato), but next time it comes up (since apparently fen as asked gedan to fix this before), feel free to share any of the commands I demoed if you think they'll be helpful.
I don't know if those win32 git GUI's even provide the CLI tool anyways, so it might not help much if the gui is all that fen has used.
Last edited:
I think it has to do with the fact they are porting to javascript
No; porting to javascript doesn't suddenly mean "git push" no longer works for half of a year while game updates continue to be shared in binary form. They're still using a private git repo to collaborate; all they have to do is push a commit sideways to the public-facing remote sometimes.
Again, that's:
Code:
git remote add public-release https://github.com/OXOIndustries/TiTS-Public.git
git push public-release (commit-hash-here):masterIt's now been six months since the last source drop. This is my first time checking since my last post (7 weeks later).
Sorry if I'm getting a bit salty, but the incommunicado really irks me more than anything else.
Last edited:
It's not going to get updated again until the JavaScript port is done. So probably next year.
Well at least I can finally stop having hope and/or expectations, now. See you next year, then.
Just popping in to ask if we're getting close to an update to the public source code.
If not, then could we at least have a look at what are the probabilities of effect from Lion-Os and Lion-Pros? The wiki pages on them are empty for too long now.
OK, it's now been two years and a week since the last public push. And two years since I posted last.
But I'm just popping by to ask if there's a new ETA, or if it's since been revised to "never."
I remember years ago when source code was pulled down the first time, someone (meaning either Gedan or Fenoxo I think) said on IRC (or was it discord by that point?) that people could get code access by contributing. But I don't want to write stories, I want to write stories and code since it's just much more efficient that way. And it allows for deeper understanding of how things interact with each other. Decompiling is such a pain, and decompiled code is all consolidated into one huge class so it isn't feasible to submit code made from a decompilation for inclusion.
But I'm just popping by to ask if there's a new ETA, or if it's since been revised to "never."
I remember years ago when source code was pulled down the first time, someone (meaning either Gedan or Fenoxo I think) said on IRC (or was it discord by that point?) that people could get code access by contributing. But I don't want to write stories, I want to write stories and code since it's just much more efficient that way. And it allows for deeper understanding of how things interact with each other. Decompiling is such a pain, and decompiled code is all consolidated into one huge class so it isn't feasible to submit code made from a decompilation for inclusion.
It's been several months now since the JS port has reached general availability and replaced the old Flash version. Any news regarding the source code being made public again? I find it to be an extremely useful tool for ensuring that the wiki is accurate, and with the last public build being over 2 years old, it's getting harder and harder to ensure that everything is up to date.
Source code can be found in the command console if you are using a browser that allows access to it.
TheShepard256
Well-Known Member
My problem is that I can't get all of the source files in firefox's console anymore. I got what might have been the full list once, but now I just get this:
I can't look at, for instance, the base entity class anymore. In fact, I've been reduced to downloading the 38MB "main.f124043a.js" file, running it through prettier to get 658,000+ lines, and searching through it manually. As I'm sure you can imagine, this isn't a very efficient approach, not the least because webpack's output is objectively bad. On the other hand... well, it works, I can say that much.
I do see that you're apparently on a backer release, which I'm not - haven't got the money right now - in case that makes a difference. Can you confirm whether the backer builds have the full, original source available?
I can't look at, for instance, the base entity class anymore. In fact, I've been reduced to downloading the 38MB "main.f124043a.js" file, running it through prettier to get 658,000+ lines, and searching through it manually. As I'm sure you can imagine, this isn't a very efficient approach, not the least because webpack's output is objectively bad. On the other hand... well, it works, I can say that much.
I do see that you're apparently on a backer release, which I'm not - haven't got the money right now - in case that makes a difference. Can you confirm whether the backer builds have the full, original source available?
I believe the problem is that the source maps are currently broken.
Everytime I boot up the debugger I get this source map error:
Code:
Source map error: Error: request failed with status 404
Resource URL: https://www.fenoxo.com/play/TiTS/release/main.f124043a.js
Source Map URL: main.f124043a.js.mapI get the same. What's curious is that it worked fine once, then I reloaded the tab and it wasn't working anymore. I suppose the sourcemaps could have been removed in that time, or there could have been an update that doesn't have the new sourcemaps.
