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Aury

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I was actually asking if he's done it before, from the way they hang off of him i figure that's the case, but i just wanted confirmation.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Miko mentions it in passing during one of Kinu’s vignettes.
 

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Are we gonna be able to interact with Hinata, Yuzu, and Kiri in the future? I recently made a new champion and am playing through the beginning of the game again and when I ran into them it made me curious about their future.
 

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Do you recall what she mentions? I do remember something involving him myself but if i recall it was just implying good company, tea and crumpets style.
Again, I’m not wholly sure, but I distinctly remember the phrase “Well, his divine lordship’s calling me for another session” right before the scene ends.
 

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Well it's not so much a disagreement as the points made, i don't buy the idea him needing anything to save her, he could acquire anything he'd need, he wouldn't have to wait for a sperm donor. Nor do i buy an uncruel god leaving her in the orb for some random to find. But if he could somehow sense a strand of fate binding the orb to some future tangle, causing him to leave it be despite the cruelty of Kiyoko's imprisonment, then i could see how his statement in the linked image could make sense.

*cough* I’m gonna have to add to the “you’re making a LOT of assumptions on what a god can or can’t do” comments especially since we’re not talking Abrahamic Yaweh God Almighty who can apparently zap people in pillars of salt and turn water to blood and resurrect the dead (though honestly, even Lazarus still had a corpse to raise).

Why are you so convinced Keros is omnipotent and is just forcing the Champ to have a kid with Kiyoko before giving her a physical form for the lulz (Trickster god aside)? Champ could easily have a kid with Kiyoko in the physical plane, and if Keros is as all-powerful as you seem to think, with all the rapid growth quirks that happened. And if you REALLY wanted to go there with the fate thing, what’s to keep Kinu from hanging out in thr Hyperbolic Time Chamber (i.e. Astral Plane) and reach the correct age?

Dude, if Keros could materialize a body out of nothing, explain why

Nareva doesn’t just make new bodies out of nothing for the Salamander Twins? Their souls are perfectly recovered at this point and they were in a very similar situation to Kiyoko. The Seven as we know them are Wraiths. That should have answered your question to begin with.

And besides, according to docs, if you picked up Kiyoko’s amulet but had ZERO KIDS with her, Keros still can’t give her a physical form and will try to nudge you into doing so. In fact, I believe Tobs has already stated multiple times in his own thread that Kinu is REQUIRED both mechanically and lore-wise for Kiyoko to have a physical form. No Kinu, No Free Kiyoko.

This is a simple matter of Occam’s Razor and Word of God. Equivalent Exchange, Fate, Gods knowing less than they pretend to, etc. etc.
 

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If you're re-opening this, although I don't want to get into a philosophical discussion on these forums, I'll just point this out:

A lot of the above discussion presumes that suffering is something inherently bad, at best a price to be paid for something else and at worst anathema to be avoided at all costs. Many peoples and cultures around the world have had thoughts on the transformative, redemptive and spiritual aspects and so forth with regards to pain and suffering. The cynical, of course, might simply dismiss it as pablum used to control the masses when viewed through a modernist lens, but as with other things I'd like to encourage exploration outside the current framework of the current cultural hegemony.

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Not sure what all the fuss is about, if I remember correctly the whole gotta have kids with Kiyoko before freeing her was part of the whole thing from the begining. If you want, consider that he needed a living ancour of some sort to tie her spirit to the real world again. Having children did just that, and he could use that to recreate her body and all. Not so uncommon when your not dealing with instant gratification dietys.
Though if I am honest about it, one of the things I am really waiting for is for kitsune preg for the pc. Eather Keros, one of the other kitsune npcs, heck would be kinda a delightfull shock to go visit my lovely kitsune wife to find she pulled an Amily (from coc1) just so she could put cute little kits in me to, seeing as my pc grew a dick just for her.
 
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TheShepard256

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Aaaaah so insane to want a very strict hard ass, well that makes sense now, though Takahiro would be a bad match given that, she'd hound him endlessly for being a drunk and he'd get all obstinate cause of it... Komari needs her head checked if she thinks that's a good match.
Maybe she thinks they'll help each other mellow out, like an extreme version of what Hime Kinu is supposed to do for Nakano.
 
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If you're re-opening this, although I don't want to get into a philosophical discussion on these forums, I'll just point this out:

A lot of the above discussion presumes that suffering is something inherently bad, at best a price to be paid for something else and at worst anathema to be avoided at all costs. Many peoples and cultures around the world have had thoughts on the transformative, redemptive and spiritual aspects and so forth with regards to pain and suffering. The cynical, of course, might simply dismiss it as pablum used to control the masses when viewed through a modernist lens, but as with other things I'd like to encourage exploration outside the current framework of the current cultural hegemony.

I legitimately did not notice how far past this the convo moved on and just responded to things per my notifs until just now, so I apologize for that. ^^;

That said though, I actually agree to some extent with what you said here for day-to-day (if only to keep myself sane during rough patches, lol). What I was trying to argue against was the idea that Keros could have poofed Kiyoko straight into existence and he was intentionally being a dick by not instantly teleporting the amulet out of whatever crevice it fell into, the former of which, iirc, is canonically impossible. If I had missed the actual question, I apologize to Mal since maybe I had misread something somewhere while being sleep-addled from a concussion (long story).

ANYWAYS, moving along with everyone else,

Maybe she thinks they'll help each other mellow out, like an extreme version of what Hime Kinu is supposed to do for Nakano.

Kinda makes me wonder why she's so anti-NakaHime (yes, that's what I'm calling this ship now :p) if this is actually the case. Unless she's not being entirely serious of course, HA.
 

TheShepard256

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Kinda makes me wonder why she's so anti-NakaHime (yes, that's what I'm calling this ship now :p) if this is actually the case. Unless she's not being entirely serious of course, HA.
I didn't intend to imply that Komari thought NakaHime was a good idea, I was just making the observation from an out-of-universe perspective. Maybe Komari doesn't recognise that Hime Kinu is going to help Nakano mellow out because they're a lot more similar to each other than Azami and Takahiro are. Or maybe she does, but her gripes with the other aspects of their relationship vastly outweigh that. I don't know what goes on in Komari's head!
 

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I didn't intend to imply that Komari thought NakaHime was a good idea, I was just making the observation from an out-of-universe perspective. Maybe Komari doesn't recognise that Hime Kinu is going to help Nakano mellow out because they're a lot more similar to each other than Azami and Takahiro are. Or maybe she does, but her gripes with the other aspects of their relationship vastly outweigh that. I don't know what goes on in Komari's head!


Honestly, she probably knows (she may or may not have acknowledged the possibility Kinu could mellow down Nakano somewhere; I'm a bit woozy from waking up atm) but I think she's more worried about the possibility Nakano would be driven to even worse lows and dragging Kinu with him. Nakano IS her great-great-(+)-grandson and Kinu is her liege's daughter; she doesn't want anything bad to happen to them.

Meanwhile, the worst that could happen with Azami and Takahiro is that they try to murder each other on a daily basis. :p
 
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My thoughts as to Komari disliking Kinu and Nakano's relationship is that the boy wants to make a name for himself in the Old Country, but he's a small fish in a very big pond. He has what amounts to an army of seven warriors. Hime!Kinu has the knowledge and is savvy enough to help Nakano. But Kinu has never grown out of her childhood habit of not looking before she leaps.
That combined with Nakano constantly looking to prove himself is a problem that the colony can ill afford.
 

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I honestly don't see how such a lovely girl could ever be lonely.

Actually, I kinda wonder how she handles foxfire. I could see her growing phobic, and never using it. Or maybe she'd grow to make the fire part of herself, mastering it in ways few can. Or maybe she'd develop pyromania, and would need constant watching.
 
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I honestly don't see how such a lovely girl could ever be lonely.

Actually, I kinda wonder how she handles foxfire. I could see her growing phobic, and never using it. Or maybe she'd grow to make the fire part of herself, mastering it in ways few can. Or maybe she'd develop pyromania, and would need constant watching.
She chases the avatar for the rest of her days.
 

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her tails look so fluffy and cute, also shorter and more stout is adorable, I hope they can be pet
 

Tristan Black

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Can't remember which side of Nice's body most of her scars were on, but I do remember that she wears glasses. And a badass eye patch to cover the empty socket.

I do appreciate Asagiri's burn scars including her ear being a bit tattered and her left eye being blinded, though. Those little details are sometimes missed outside of a trauma ward.
 

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And keeps a bomb under the eyepatch... but yes, Nice's scars are mostly on the right side of her body.

And wow, I somehow missed the left ear being a bit shorter, that is a really nice touch.
 

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I do appreciate Asagiri's burn scars including her ear being a bit tattered and her left eye being blinded, though. Those little details are sometimes missed outside of a trauma ward.
That's not Asagiri. Asagiri getting burned was vetoed by savin so it's never going to happen, so instead of dropping the concept Tops decided to repurpose it and create a whole new character for it.
This isn't going to be in the game right? I recall you saying as much a while ago.
She will be in the game just not any time soon.
 

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Bummer about Asagiri getting burned being cut from a writing standpoint because it was one of the things that hits hard, but I also understand not wanting to get TOO dark with a porn game (i.e. same reason Marble outright killing herself if you don't build enough relationship with her/rejected her after the detox arc in CoC got cut).

IC-wise, I'm glad we don't have to deal with one of our eldest kids being burned because that art hurts me on a deep level. Q~Q

But on the plus side, it's nice that instead we get to have someone so badly disfigured as someone we can romantically love, and that's so important to represent. Thanks for not dropping the idea of a burn victim completely and even improving on it by making said victim someone who will show up regularly (as opposed to Asagiri kinda falling back to the background in addition to being our daughter).

That said though, I'm gonna guess Asagiri will be having a less brutal injury from the fight to replace it? Or is any of our kiddos being horribly traumatized physically and mentally completely off the block? I ought to check the doc when I get the chance.
 

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Choosing to portray the new character with the Otõmo/Twelve Divine Clans trademark white hair is rather telling though, it looks like the Colony already had a Princess, albeit one that's probably been disowned and exiled already.