If you could make a evil choice, what would it be?

wery12345

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I respect the notice of an error, but my lack of writing knowlage will never know.

Also, only “probably”? Do the floofs only pity those who proudly believe in pussy supremacy? If so, guess it’s time for a hostile takeover to establish a new cultural shift.
Well its mostly because we really dont have any male Kitsune outside of Taka, thats why it seems like that.
 

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Where we have many characters such as Arona and Kiyoko (Kitsune in general) that devalue my champion because they are born with a vagina, I finally have a piece of game where my female champion can go and say "Wow, I am not getting figuratively screwed here. Just literally.

Kiyoko just doesn't want to be intimate with a purefem Champ. That's it. She is still very grateful for any time she gets to spend with her guest, savoring some good food and a pleasant conversation. A far cry from Arona equating dick to dominance and in general being a rape-happy and aggressive asshole even by the standards of a whole society of rapists and slavers.

Plus to your broader point I have to bring up Brint and how, despite sowing his wild oats far and wide, the big lug still pays a lot of special attention to the Champ he gets intimate with. I fully believe that an honest conversation and a resulting agreement about more romantic and even sexual exclusivity isn't out of the question for his content further down the line.

That being said, I'll certainly welcome the addition of more fox boys and cat boys and every other kind of boys and dudes. Make it a veritable otome harem, and don't forget the hot weirdos as they are the superior archetype.
 
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Kiyoko just doesn't want to be intimate with a purefem Champ. That's it. She is still very grateful for any time she gets to spend with her guest, savoring some good food and a pleasant conversation
Lotta people tend to forget then when they learn they cant do literally anything with her without a sausage roll.
 
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Lotta people tend to forget then when they learn they cant do literally anything with her without a sausage roll.
May not be able to swap chi but you don't need a cock to have sex.. and the fact this is a fantasy game, surely the creators could of actually done it that pure females could still help Kiyoko without needing a piercing or cock.
 

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surely the creators could of actually done it that pure females could still help Kiyoko without needing a piercing or cock.
Considering shes a den mother, probably not. Den mothers exist to help boost the population of foxes, cant really get knocked up without a cock. Even if shes quite literally still able to get pregnant if your sterile.
 

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Considering shes a den mother, probably not. Den mothers exist to help boost the population of foxes, cant really get knocked up without a cock. Even if shes quite literally still able to get pregnant if your sterile.
What about magic? Surely a spell could work.. seeing as the ghost light can't knock up any other NPCs but on Kiyoko it can.
 

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Kiyoko just doesn't want to be intimate with a purefem Champ. That's it. She is still very grateful for any time she gets to spend with her guest, savoring some good food and a pleasant conversation.
Considering shes a den mother, probably not. Den mothers exist to help boost the population of foxes, cant really get knocked up without a cock. Even if shes quite literally still able to get pregnant if your sterile.
Yeah, here is the thing. Her quest is not to make her a Broodmother, it was to get her out of the medallion. And for it she just needs Chi, which, if I remember right does not exclusively get transferred with penetrating sex. Any sexual intercourse will do as long as kitsune is willing to take it. So Kiyoko, unintentional by the writer I would guess, literally choses to not take chi from the champion because she only accepts "penis in vagina" as sex. Even if it means eternall solitude. Which is just funny to me for number of reasons. Major being I know girls that would go down on a pussy for far less.

Next, it is not cum that gets her pregnant. It is our chi. Which,basically, as long as she chooses to take it from us, be it from tribbing or any kind of non penetrating act, she by all presented logic should be able to get pregnant. At least, nothing from what I read inside of the game sugest otherwise. Even after leaving her medallion, because of Keroses fuckery.
I mean, having a character with a pregnancy that does not require penetration would certainly be unique if nothing else.

At the end of the day tho, Tobs wrote Kiyoko the way she is because she was only ever really meant for male NPCs with a dick. Need ai remind you that it was just laat year where proper pronouns were added if you played as a girl. I am not going to blame him for writing for specific audience in mind. Since he knows what people want, and it worked considering Kiyokos popularity.

What earks me is the circumstances and logistics behind it, that she has good loot locked behind her and the way the Keros acts insulted when my female PC did not want to grow a dick when I offered to free Kiyoko. But the worst fact that she is a companion, not a random NPC, with second most content that a small but to me not less valued chunk of the playerbase will not expirience. Especially since Kinu (especially Hime) is a good kid abd child character. And that 2 potential male NPcs are locked behind her because Kinu and Rin are supposed to marry them. Which will just leave one of them hanging there if you do not have Kiyoko.

Plus to your broader point I have to bring up Brint and how, despite sowing his wild oats far and wide, the big lug still pays a lot of special attention to the Champ he gets intimate with. I fully believe that an honest conversation and a resulting agreement about more romantic and even sexual exclusivity isn't out of the question for his content further down the line.

That being said, I'll certainly welcome the addition of more fox boys and cat boys and every other kind of boys and dudes. Make it a veritable otome harem, and don't forget the hot weirdos as they are the superior archetype.
Like, I understand that. I experienced Brint and Quin pregnancy and I get what they are going for. That is what some people are looking for and good for them. It is just not for me.

I am not a CoC2 NPC. Even tho characters such as Brint are just that, it still feels shitty on my end that they probably knocked up and can knock up just as many NPCs does not sit well with me. And it does not paint them in best light. And before you ask, I understand hypocrisy here. But first, I do not think of my PCs that do that are best parents in general. Second, not every player RPs as potential neglectful parent. And third, this is a game ment to empower player.

Now back to OG programming. Like, as I mentioned in other threads, most female NPCs go by logic of "Oh my champion, you are so special I want your kids! Oh, all those other guys and gals just are not as worthy as you are." Like sure, there are girls with pregnancy content that are not like that, like Salwah, Gwen (you are her third option since her family ain't willing) and maybe Elthara. But other than that? I can not think of any that do not fall in that line. It even spills into PC pregnancy with Arona. Who, as I regretfully found out, values more the children she bears from you than those you bear for her. Like, she says it straight to your face. And she is one of better NPCs in terms of champion pregnancy which is the most fucked up part.

Like, maybe this seems worst to me since I experienced basically everything else, but to me when I compare how much more my champion seems to be valued by Brienne, especially when comparing her to Brint, I know which I am going to pick. She is better especially if you do not want kids, since at least you know she will not have dozens or so bastards behind her. Now, that said, at the end of the day this just means that Brint is not for me. I am more into more lets say loyal guys and gals (even if my champion is not of that sort), but there are people that like him because/despite his playing around. And I do not want to come out as I think less of them. Just do not try to argue that what he and his other half offer are one and the same. Since ask most guys if they would be fine for Brienne to have option (even if you need to pick it yourself) for her to get knocked up by someone else and see how they would react.

But yeah, more loyal guys sounds nice. Of every kind. Femboys, pretty boys, hunks, bara. Whatever. I just want to have harem of them.
 
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Beheading the elven skank of a whore queen in front of Ryn, during the winter city. Then immediately hugging Kas like nothing was the matter, while regarding the headless body as one would literal trash.

And honorable, or even a semi-compassionate champion wouldn't do such a thing so dispassionately, IMO
 
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Killing Alissa really doesnt seem like an evil act, even if your siding with Kas. Like fuck not even Kas wanted her after she changed cause she basically chose the most boring form after becoming a demon, AKA tryin to look like Kas.
 

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Can't believe none of you little feckers even thought to consult me on there.

To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.

Anyway, if I were to do make one evil choice, I would want it to be something that would set the tone for the rest of story.

And to do that, we need to go back to the beginning.

When Cait comes to the tavern to seek help...refuse, stab her and leave her to bleed out before walking away.
 

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What earks me is the circumstances and logistics behind it, that she has good loot locked behind her and the way the Keros acts insulted when my female PC did not want to grow a dick when I offered to free Kiyoko. But the worst fact that she is a companion, not a random NPC, with second most content that a small but to me not less valued chunk of the playerbase will not expirience. Especially since Kinu (especially Hime) is a good kid abd child character. And that 2 potential male NPcs are locked behind her because Kinu and Rin are supposed to marry them. Which will just leave one of them hanging there if you do not have Kiyoko.
That's what bothers me the most about Kiyoko's content, not going to lie. When it was announced that you could free her without needing a phallus, I was thrilled! As soon as I had all of the necessary conversations with her sorted out, I went straight to Keros in hopes that I'll have a new companion soon enough. To say that I was disappointed would be a gross understatement. I was so disgusted with how Keros tried to guilt-trip my MC, in fact, that I loaded a save where my girl never even ventured into the Ruined Shrine, to begin with. (This was before ghostlights were added to the game, by the way, and—before anyone asks, no, my girl doesn't wanna use ghostlights either. It doesn't matter if the phallus in question is of flesh and blood or if it's merely magic—she doesn't want any sort of phallus attached to her person. Period. This is one of those things that I am not willing to budge on.)
 
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That's what bothers me the most about Kiyoko's content, not going to lie. When it was announced that you could free her without needing a phallus, I was thrilled! As soon as I had all of the necessary conversations with her sorted out, I went straight to Keros in hopes that I'll have a new companion soon enough. To say that I was disappointed would be a gross understatement. I was so disgusted with how Keros tried to guilt-trip my MC, in fact, that I loaded a save where my girl never even ventured into the Ruined Shrine, to begin with. (This was before ghostlights were added to the game, by the way, and—before anyone asks, no, my girl doesn't wanna use ghostlights either. It doesn't matter if the phallus in question is of flesh and blood or if it's merely magic—she doesn't want any sort of phallus attached to her person. Period. This is one of those things that I am not willing to budge on.)
If you read further up, you'll see someone already explained.. annoying as it is for pure fem champs. It's down to the creators on what they want to happen to their creations but then again from what I read on this forum Savin didn't want Anno to be a futa but now or I should say, in the future she may become one because Savin was asked by ... I don't remember who. But what I'm trying to say is that I suppose creators can be persuaded to change their mind.. so who knows.
 

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Kiyoko: "Please free me from my prison. I need only a crumb of soul over many days."

Also Kiyoko: "No dick? Eh I guess I'm fine. It's not so bad in here I guess."

Could it be changed to where vagina only players could free her and make sense? Yes. But at the end if Tobs doesn't want to it's up to him. Can't fault someone for writing their tastes. Though this doscourse reminds me of these porn arts where it's two women tribbing and an internal shot of their eggs merging and somehow that impregnates one of them. Don't ask me how it works, I've yet to encounter an "after" to these images.

As for evil options, keeping that corrupted honey pit in the hornet hive around to throw people would be pretty evil and good for the champ. Person bothering you? Throw them in the honey pot.
 
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Can't believe none of you little feckers even thought to consult me on there.

To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.

Anyway, if I were to do make one evil choice, I would want it to be something that would set the tone for the rest of story.

And to do that, we need to go back to the beginning.

When Cait comes to the tavern to seek help...refuse, stab her and leave her to bleed out before walking away.
If the "not-champion" doesn't give a flip about possibly becoming a demon later... I guess that would work.

Then again, just letting Kas win would make for a VERY short game.
 

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If you read further up, you'll see someone already explained.. annoying as it is for pure fem champs. It's down to the creators on what they want to happen to their creations but then again from what I read on this forum Savin didn't want Anno to be a futa but now or I should say, in the future she may become one because Savin was asked by ... I don't remember who. But what I'm trying to say is that I suppose creators can be persuaded to change their mind.. so who knows.
Same argument could be made for Ryn getting a vagina regarding champs that have dicks (adding a vagina, not dedicking). Why not?

Admittedly, as her content regarding removing the cage and what happens after that is yet to come, things may end up being handled entirely differently than someone trying to guilt trip the champ into getting a TF he/she does not want.

But in the end, yes it comes down to what the author wants. And right now that means Kiyoko wants real dicks. And that Ryn will either require the champ to have a vag, or find a surrogate for certain content. People will just have to learn to accept that and leave the writers be.

Lastly, IIRC I've sen Tobs comment on providing other ways for champs to get at the items provided by Kiyoko and her quest/event chain.

Ps.: it was Fenoxo that convinced Savin.
 

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Lastly, IIRC I've sen Tobs comment on providing other ways for champs to get at the items provided by Kiyoko and her quest/event chain.
That's what I was referring to—however, such alternate methods that do not require a phallus (whether real or not) unfortunately do not exist in the game at this moment (if they ever will). It sucks for those of us who play vag-only champs because, at least, champs that are only dick-wielding can still recruit Ryn and see her storyline advance. Do you know what I mean?
 

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That's what I was referring to—however, such alternate methods that do not require a phallus (whether real or not) unfortunately do not exist in the game at this moment (if they ever will). It sucks for those of us who play vag-only champs because, at least, champs that are only dick-wielding can still recruit Ryn and see her storyline advance. Do you know what I mean?
In a certain way, yes, I can see what you mean.

But it will also suck for dick toting champs that want to experience certain content (mainly sire royal descendants) without resorting to TFs nor sharing Ryn with someone. I'll concede though that said possible Ryn content might (probably) not have the same volume as the inaccessible Kiyoko content.

Anno... might have been a different thing. She already was very, very flexible with what she was down to do in bed.
 

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I mean I think Kiyoko is the only Female NPC/Companion in the game with 0 female options, even if literally every other fox only have 1 option themselves(including a very fucking fat assed smolcat in Kor).

Also would destroying the ever living fuck out of Kas's mansion in the ways between be an evil action, cause I want to lay waste to it as someone who will proably never do a route that is friendly twards her.
 
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I mean I think Kiyoko is the only Female NPC/Companion in the game with 0 female options, even if literally every other fox only have 1 option themselves(including a very fucking fat assed smolcat in Kor).

Also would destroying the ever living fuck out of Kas's mansion in the ways between be an evil action, cause I want to lay waste to it as someone who will proably never do a route that is friendly twards her.
I'm curious to know if we could blast it out of existence. Or drop it onto the surface somewhere.
 

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If the "not-champion" doesn't give a flip about possibly becoming a demon later... I guess that would work.

Then again, just letting Kas win would make for a VERY short game.
Its not about becoming a demon or letting Kas win.

Its about taking away hope.

Cait comes to the village, desperate and looking for help, hoping that she can find someone to save her sister. And the first person she comes across, leaves her bleeding on the floor? That hope ebbing away and with every passing second comes the knowledge that her sister is doomed. That maybe they're all doomed.

We might say that evil is the absence of good, but thats not quite true. Its the absence of hope, because for there to be good, there has to be the hope that things can be better. The hope that people can be better. And that's what you take away from Cait. You take away hope.
 

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Being pragmatically evil via tainted or dark knight choices/responses. The Marethian demons are I'd say less chaotic evil as they are neutral evil in overall temperament. But at the end of the day, the minute you go demon, it's game over. Still, the idea of being a rival or the very least actively opposing Kas and her minions for selfish motives, even understated in the text, is something that would be interesting.

You as the conqueror of the corrupt and or political rivals versus Kas as the invader and corruptor of the locales and power players setups a good evil vs. evil vibe, even if it's purely cosmetic dialogue or dark knight flavor text.

Also, creating a distinction between executing an enemy versus slaughtering them and then putting their head on a pike would be nice as well. Intent/message does matter with an action. If you voraciously dickdown a demon commander and humiliate them in front of their retinue, that's pretty classic COC demon dickery. But if you cut their head off/melt their face, it might not be "nice", but it's also not as vile or nasty within the context of this moral relativistic world of COC2.

Granted, there's a limited amount of choices/responses you can do without vastly expanding prior scenes/scenarios, which is a nightmare to be frank from a coding and choice and consequence complexity. I'd just like to see more ruthless or machievllian responses or actions. Especially if you ask/follow up on regional npcs for sidequests and doing said sidequests before the big region/area finale unlocks cosmetic dialogue or acknowledgement or bypassing some fight. Light C&C is great even if it's the main story is railroaded.
 

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If I remember correctly, the original CoC had options to corrupt various characters and areas. Would be nice to see a similar system. Options to help Kass spread her will through the land.

Like having a corrupted bimbo hornet army? Bimbo boss Azzy since she gets a bimbo loudout anyway?

Create a corrupted domme chieftain Arona.

Side with demonic Alissa and keep her on the throne, creating a rival/corrupted Ryn maybe.

Corrupting Cait's temple.

You catch my drift.
 

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Like having a corrupted bimbo hornet army? Bimbo boss Azzy since she gets a bimbo loudout anyway?
Well, you can perma-bimbofy the hive but since that renders everyone in it too fuck-happy to be able to focus on much of anything else, I doubt you'd get a useful army out of it. And it locks Azzy out as a companion, contrast her Honey Maiden gear set where she's in control enough to, y'know, function.

Create a corrupted domme chieftain Arona.

Savin has hinted at Arona's corruption path before but we don't have much in the way of details.

Side with demonic Alissa and keep her on the throne, creating a rival/corrupted Ryn maybe.

This would require writing an entire second scenario set for all the elf-related post-WC content, which includes a chunk of the main story since the continuation of that plot thread involves finding where Alissa has set herself up.

As with Arona, Savin has hinted at a corruption route for Ryn (I mean, moreso than just having an asshole Champ replacing Alissa in her life) so that's in the cards at some point, but a whole 'Alissa Route' isn't.

Corrupting Cait's temple.

I have no idea what plans the team have for the temple aside from some vague hints about characters who may or may not join it in the future, but Kas can show up there on her Romantic path and invite Cait for a threesome, so it's not impossible that something more could happen in the future if the writers want to.
 
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Well, you can perma-bimbofy the hive but since that renders everyone in it too fuck-happy to be able to focus on much of anything else, I doubt you'd get a useful army out of it. And it locks Azzy out as a companion, contrast her Honey Maiden gear set where she's in control enough to, y'know, function.



Savin has hinted at Arona's corruption path before but we don't have much in the way of details.



This would require writing an entire second scenario set for all the elf-related post-WC content, which includes a chunk of the main story since the continuation of that plot thread involves finding where Alissa has set herself up.

As with Arona, Savin has hinted at a corruption route for Ryn (I mean, moreso than just having an asshole Champ replacing Alissa in her life) so that's in the cards at some point, but a whole 'Alissa Route' isn't.



I have no idea what plans the team have for the temple aside from some vague hints about characters who may or may not join it in the future, but Kas can show up there on her Romantic path and invite Cait for a threesome, so it's not impossible that something more could happen in the future if the writers want to.
Thanks for the reply! I know some of it is just wishful thinking but just thought it would be cool. Like i mentioned, remembered the options to corrupt stuff from the og CoC and that's just what my mind went to haha
 

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Pretty sure a lot of the corrupt companions are a lot far down on the pipeline of content, and I think it's not gonna be a "every companion" sorta thing.
 

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Do you think the corruption path for Ryn will be if the champs treated her cruelly?
 

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My money is on it only being possible for low confiedence Ryns, because her becoming corrupted would make since if she finds it as an out of being unable to do anything for herself.
 

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I hope that low confidence Ryn is not an automatic Demon Ryn tho. I like her the way I keep her.
 
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