Gastigoth made me feel uncomfortable

[Noob Salad]

Prisoner rape or what not is nothing out of the ordinary.

Except it's not rape because all parties consent. There's no such thing as consensual rape. Prison stuff isn't even even pseudorape or roleplay.

Also even if it was guys, so what? Roundscape has bestiality. FreeCities has amputation. Porn doesn't care if you're uncomfortable, get over it.

And lol @ all of you still arguing after Savin's word of god already weighed in. Remind me to commission some prison content soon.

 

[Ormael]

It's all game and all of you getting worked up like it would be real live (again). Again since it was back when Myrellion or New texas was added when some people was like 'wow wtf is that shit? Fenoxo change it asap'. Soon we will get another piece of content that will leave disscusion how unsettling is Gastigoth in dust.

At least good some stay truth to themselfs (That was about you @MistyBirb and it was complement in case you dare to think otherwise).

 

[Medge]

@MistyBirb @Tehemai

You shouldn't apologize for bringing up the point. It's important to ask why we like/consume the things we do because doing otherwise could mean taking some pretty nasty stuff for granted. That being said, I don't agree with some of the point. Rape is rape. Absolutely, it is physically impossible for it to be palatable to a morally conscious person. In this case though, I think it's a lot like comparing death in a script on a television show to someone very graphically and painfully dying in real life. I've always found the presentation between CoC and TiTs to be so absurd, it comes off as one of those long B-movie sex parodies. The tone is silly enough that it all seems like roleplay. Someone enjoying/rationalizing roleplay is not the same as someone getting a kick out of the real thing.

Plenty of people watch action movies chock full of murder where the bad guy gets it in some horrible way at the end. Not so many people enjoy seeing real people in pain. Maybe it's happened, but I don't know how many people got PTSD by watching Saving Private Ryan. Or even an STD watching Saving Ryan's Privates.

My point is simply that rape is revolting by nature. So are death and murder. Few people view those two things favorably if the context is not very clearly fantasy/pretend. CoC and TiTs come across as pretend worlds not just because of what they actually are - flash games written in HTML with over the top characters - but because of the way characters treat each other. A giant plant woman trying to get in your pants is by nature more silly and unrealistic than a giant venus-fly-trap like monster that wants to digest you slowly to give your nutrients to some spore-like offspring. In TiTs, unlike the real world, everything wants to get it on virtually at all times regardless of species and often regardless of gender. The most unrealistic thing in the game is that characters manage to keep a straight face.

I'm really glad that you bring up the darker aspects of the game. I absolutely agree that some of us will try and rationalize the reason we like these things and ignore the darker/more animal reasons behind them. I just object to the suggestion that people who enjoy the 'rape' scenes in these two games are in any way fine with the genuine article any more than they'd be ok watching someone get killed. Two people enjoying a consensual fantasy run the terrible risk of getting their rocks off, while the consequences of the genuine article include life-long trauma among other things. I'm simply not convinced that presentation in CoC or TiTs deviates from b-movie actors getting it on on a set. Death is death and rape is rape. Tv death isn't death, and rape-fantasy(consenting parties implied via 'fantasy') isn't rape.

As far as the tonal disconnect goes, I chock that up to so many cooks (writers) in the kitchen.

 

[Tehemai]

Except it's not rape because all parties consent. There's no such thing as consensual rape. Prison stuff isn't even even pseudorape or roleplay.

Also even if it was guys, so what? Roundscape has bestiality. FreeCities has amputation. Porn doesn't care if you're uncomfortable, get over it.

And lol @ all of you still arguing after Savin's word of god already weighed in. Remind me to commission some prison content soon.

Maybe I was unclear, but we're in agreement I think. Regardless of if it is rape or not (as some have argued their status of prisoners may constitute power abuse), it's a non issue since the former is part of the game too. There's no consensual or gentle rape and if this game portrays rape, this kind of content is perfectly normal and even mild.

While you're absolutely correct in saying fantasy and roleplay aren't the same as being into actual instances of rape or wanting to actually rape people, the problem arises when the rape in the game is not roleplay. It's actually just rape. That's where the big disconnect comes from.

As for those that question the darker elements of the game, it's a central piece of the game. Fantasies are fantasies. You cannot selectively apply morality to them to get them to deviate from content you do not like. People are murdered in games all the time by player controlled characters in none roleplay fashion. That doesn't remotely have any bearing on their feelings on murdering people. It is a fantasy committed to people that do not exist or feel. This is the same type of disconnect that leads people to claim that violent video games are somehow connected to actual violence. It just simply false. Entertainment is exactly the place to explore this content because no one gets hurt.

Distaste is normal when it comes to a game that explores several fetishes. There is plenty of content in this game that leaves me distaste. Talking to a gamer girl at a bar for example only to have her whip out a giant cock. You just need to look for the content that you like in them, and if there is too much content that your distaste doesn't let you get past, then maybe this darker fantasy isn't for you. There are plenty of lighter fantasies. And I don't mean to say this to sound like a dick, it's just normal when it comes to sexual content. I'm saying this as I myself deleted a game I was enjoying a lot not 24 hours ago when I reached an unavoidable distasteful hang up I could not get past.

 

[Medge]

@MistyBirb @Tehemai

You clarified perfectly, I think the difference is just where the two of us place the disconnect. I consider everything after the load screen to be roleplay because the characters themselves very rarely treat encounters, even post defeat ones, as anything other than sex. The contracted roleplay scenario is redundant. It's like initiating a fantasy and then breaking it to re-enforce that yes this is indeed a fantasy. Load up a game and beat a Kerokas or a Zil Female. Even in the option "MeanCockFuck" the Zil's primary disappointment is that the PC does not actively try to get her off.


The characters in the game don't treat things as anything other than sex, which is often what they were after anyway because the game is silly for the most part. That context changes everything. I won't play through every encounter to prove the point, but the reaction "Sweet we can has sex now" is the rule. Gastigoth's are the exception tonally, which is why I mentioned earlier that I thought it toed the line.

Edit: Note to Tehemai deleted because on rereading your post I do think we're in agreement for the most part.

 

[Medge]

@MistyBirb

Again, all fair. I appreciate your point, and prefer that you bring it up and make people think about what it is they're looking at rather than staying quiet. I can't claim that I'm consistent or have the right answers, I just think that the discussion is worth having. Guro for example makes me uncomfortable because the core idea is that one party is getting off to the physical mutilation of someone else. Kink-shaming is considered a no-no, sure, but just because something is considered poor form to talk about, that doesn't mean that not talking about it is actually helpful. Often times we just don't like to do the hard work of critical thinking, or worse, talking with other people who might have a good point. Because of that it's rude for people to slap us with reality or perspective.

I'm not %100 happy with my own interest in some of these fantasies, and I personally enjoy the PC going into very perverted bad-end scenarios. Indulging a fantasy or a vice and then refusing to question implications or why those things are appealing is a terrible idea, so keep asking questions.

 

[Kesil]

Guro for example makes me uncomfortable because the core idea is that one party is getting off to the physical mutilation of someone else.

Guro is not gore. At least, not always.

 

[Milkman]

Guro is not gore. At least, not always.

Wait huh? What would be an example of non gore guro? I was always under the impression that guro meant gore..

 

[Woider]

Wait huh? What would be an example of non gore guro? I was always under the impression that guro meant gore..

I guess some people may classify stuff involving quite a bit of blood, but no gore, as "guro".

 

[Kesil]

guro's a banned talking point on these here forums.

No, it's not.

What would be an example of non gore guro? I was always under the impression that guro meant gore.

"Guro" comes from the Japanese approximation to the English word "grotesque". It doesn't have to involve guts or blood. I'm not sure if Gurochan is still around (I stopped checking the website back when it started going down for weeks on end), but it had separated subforums for non-gore guro, such as toilet issues or general weirdness. In fact, the Freakshow subforum was the one I enjoyed the most. Certain stuff in the Fengames, such as transformations, would count as guro. Or, rather, as eroguro.

For starters, I'd reccomend checking Edogawa Rampo's stories as well as their assorted adaptations. Aesthetically speaking, Shintaro Kago or Horihone Saizou can be considered as modern examples of guro in manga. For a more classic approach, some Go Nagai works (Devilman comes to mind) should come handy. Sometimes, guro can be used as a source of horror, but sometimes it is also used as a fountain of works that won't take things seriously and cater to the ridiculous and the satire. A bit like Junji Ito works, I guess.

Please note I'm not a guro scholar. Just like Fengames, I'm mostly there for the monsters and, at times, the erotica. Thank you, Henmaru Machino

 

[XBoxMaster131]

non gore guro

Two words: "Cherry popping"

 

[kinkshamer]

They volunteer for it, as is explained when you choose the <Gastigoth> dialogue option.
In exchange their sentences are reduced and they receive additional amenities.

 

[Woider]

They volunteer for it, as is explained when you choose the <Gastigoth> dialogue option.
In exchange their sentences are reduced and they receive additional amenities.

You're a bit late to that party. We've already gone over it multiple times, I'm afraid.

 

[kinkshamer]

Yeah people keep ignoring the part where the Warden tells you (truthfully) that the prisoners volunteer for the conjugal/breeding program in exchange for reduced sentences and nicer amenities during their stay.

Relevant text:

Hey Savin, just two questions (that probably have been answered a billion times before
-Will it be possible to buy Khorgan/Kaska/Tamtam and possibly others you've sent to Gastigoth? After all the justice system in TiTS mainly cares about two things: money and public safety. The former is easy, the latter shouldn't be difficult either with Khorgan at least, as her race turns submissive once bested in battle.
-Why does that qt 3.14 Saendra avoid any penetration involving her flower? It might be in her content somewhere but I've never found it

 

[Kesil]

Guro can often include all of that banlist in its umbrella anyways

I simply wanted to point out that guro is not banned here even if it includes things in the banlist. Which, by the way, refers mostly to what can be included in the games as opposed to be discussed about on here.
I felt it'd be nice if I pointed it out, especially for people who think that guro is gore. I enjoy helping people learn about things I like/know about, such as Milkman.

There's no need to be pedantic and complain that people are calling your square a rectangle when any discussion about guro can very easily lead to some shocking, ultra-hardcore shit that's frowned upon by the rules.

You claimed something about the banlist that could have misled people in the future, so there was a need. I don't want to see forumites and future writers keep on repeating mantras about game pregnacies and JimThermic contributions. Also, we're all adults here, so I'm sure we can deal with what you call "shocking, ultra-hardcore shit" and debate it calmly. And if we can't, we can click on the "Report" button (especially if the mod response is an "oi, behave" than an insta-lock. It pains me when we miss out on interesting issues to type about just because someone behaved foolishly). Or know better and ignore/stay away from delicate issues some people might like to discuss about.

I am not interested in prison and inmate raping contents myself, so I simply lurked on the thread to find out other people's sentiment on Gastigoth until I could contribute with something better than "I don't like it, this is bad and you should feel bad because I strongly feel that rape is bad even if it' s fake rape and especially it it's not actually rape". Thankfully, TiTS is vast enough for me to play it for a variety of reasons in a number of ways.

 

[kinkshamer]

You're a bit late to that party. We've already gone over it multiple times, I'm afraid.

tfw

 

[Milkman]

@Kesil thanks for the explanation. It was quite insightful. As for Gastigoth haven't checked it out yet since I'm not a backer but honestly even if it weren't voluntary prostitution it doesn't sound that much worse than other fucked up shit in the game like NT, venom addicted Trench Wives, debt slavery, ect. The world of TiTS is a pretty fucked up *Tainted* place in general.

 

[Woider]

@Kesil thanks for the explanation. It was quite insightful. As for Gastigoth haven't checked it out yet since I'm not a backer but honestly even if it weren't voluntary prostitution it doesn't sound that much worse than other fucked up shit in the game like NT, venom addicted Trench Wives, debt slavery, ect. The world of TiTS is a pretty fucked up *Tainted* place in general.

I'd even say it sounds somewhat better than Trench Wives. Shackled in irons, or shackled to drugs. The choice is yours.

 

[Lancer]

@Kesil thanks for the explanation. It was quite insightful. As for Gastigoth haven't checked it out yet since I'm not a backer but honestly even if it weren't voluntary prostitution it doesn't sound that much worse than other fucked up shit in the game like NT, venom addicted Trench Wives, debt slavery, ect. The world of TiTS is a pretty fucked up *Tainted* place in general.

Gastigoth was in the public patch released on the first.

 

[Milkman]

Gastigoth was in the public patch released on the first.

Ah lol, well then time to go check it out then.

 

[Nonesuch]

Does... does anyone understand what Misty and Kesil are fighting over here

 

[Woider]

Does... does anyone understand what Misty and Kesil are fighting over here

Discussing whether or not they can discuss guro stuff, I'd venture to guess.

 

[Savin]

Hey Savin, just two questions (that probably have been answered a billion times before
-Will it be possible to buy Khorgan/Kaska/Tamtam and possibly others you've sent to Gastigoth? After all the justice system in TiTS mainly cares about two things: money and public safety. The former is easy, the latter shouldn't be difficult either with Khorgan at least, as her race turns submissive once bested in battle.
-Why does that qt 3.14 Saendra avoid any penetration involving her flower? It might be in her content somewhere but I've never found it

I want to have Khorgan follower at some point. Don't know if it'll be prison-related. Don't know about the other two: somebody can always write 'em I guess.

Saendra prefers buttsex.

 

[Woider]

Saendra prefers buttsex.

Based Buttslut Bitchkitty.

 

[Freed85]

I want to have Khorgan follower at some point. Don't know if it'll be prison-related. Don't know about the other two: somebody can always write 'em I guess.

Saendra prefers buttsex.

Now I really wish I had the attention span to properly write something up... and not get interrupted 5 times writing something as simple as this.

 

[Savin]

I hate this thread.

Then leave :v

 

[Noob Salad]

Dat is not excuse. Nor does responding to this post with anything even remotely close to an "I know" justify anything.

By the way, guro is not always gore. It was an actual part of Japanese history that's very clearly visible today, given how we react to the word.

 

[kinkshamer]

I want to have Khorgan follower at some point. Don't know if it'll be prison-related. Don't know about the other two: somebody can always write 'em I guess.

Saendra prefers buttsex.

B-but poop comes from there! D:

 

[Woider]

B-but poop comes from there! D:

Not right now it don't.

 

[Freed85]

B-but poop comes from there! D:

So far hasn't stopped anyone else in TiTs from trying it, hell there is an entire machine dedicated to anal on Uveto!