Thank you so much for saying so, I really appreciate it!You are responsible for the Abel footjob, innit? Liked it.
Thank you so much for saying so, I really appreciate it!You are responsible for the Abel footjob, innit? Liked it.
Plus its disheartening if you take that plunge but what you write gets barely any attention or feedback. It doesn't exactly incentivise you to keep doing it. Speaking from personal experience.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to me and I really appreciate your advice. And you are right, I just sort of feel like when it comes to Trials its even more of an uphill battle compared to CoC2 due to the age of the game and the sheer amount of content in it. Admittedly, it has been pointed out to me that the content I wrote for was relatively niche compared to other parts of the game, so that probably played a factor too and as you pointed out it was for older characters. I do have ideas for my own characters which maybe I'll return to in the future if I feel the impetus and really get my Trials writing mojo back, although its a very big maybe. In the meantime, I'm just gonna focus on my fanfiction writing. I'm delighted to hear that you're grateful for what I wrote though, it makes me feel a lot better!You've just got to suck that up, sorry. People will be around to cheerlead you when you declare you're going to write something, and maybe if you're very active about promoting yourself and getting art done of your OCs and whatnot you can build yourself a little fanbase on social media, but the hard reality is that once you're in the middle of it it's just going to be you and the page, nobody else. And maybe what you produce sucks and that's the reason nobody wants to engage with it. In which case the only solution is to go away and practice, again a hard and often lonely pursuit.
Positive feedback is a wonderful thing, don't get me wrong. But other people can't press the keys for you. Only by producing consistently can you get people's attention.
EDIT: This conversation went on longer than I saw, and I didn't wish to imply that what you did produce for TiTS was poor quality either, it wasn't - I'm actually grateful you did something for one of my own characters. One of the unfortunate realities of this game is that the audience is much less ready to recognise work done on existing characters and areas than they are on New and Shiny Things.
There's also this post from a moderator with the title:Couch said:
This thread exists as a void for people to throw ideas into so that they don't flood the rest of the forum with them. Nothing that goes in here has been or ever will be implemented, because every person who writes for the game already has far more ideas for content than we could ever possibly hope to implement. We are not short of ideas, we're short of people willing and able to do the actual work of writing their ideas. The only way that new content is ever added to this game is when someone stops expecting other people to write their idea for them and writes it themselves.
After seeing this kind of post, it's no wonder not many people are going to volunteer to write for the game. Are there very many people who would volunteer or apply for a job and come in for training after being given this sort of motivation at an interview? Sure, it can deter writers who aren't sure if they'll keep writing until they finish a project and that might not be too serious about a project, but it can also turn away passionate writers that might actually want to contribute something out of love for it, too.Magic Ted said:
Hello. Your idea is bad.
The idea subforum is here for two joint purposes; first, throwing shit at the wall by a bunch of people who have no actual desire to go through with it and write it themselves. These people are just here to raise their post counts, as they certainly won't inspire anyone outside of, MAYBE, discussion on various abilities and other non-character/submission things. Second; for authors to refine their content in hopes of one day writing it.
As you might imagine we only really get one sort of poster here. Your would-be idea will likely be ignored if not outright mocked and, let's be honest here, even if you come in with a plan to actually do it you're going to flake, aren't you? It's a daunting task made all the worse by the variable nature of TiTs; if there was a single protaganist character you could write for? Sure! A faceless slate with potential-tits and naughty bits? Rather difficult, with the word count easily ranging upwards to five thousand at a simple minimum.
That's a lot of work. It's unlikely you're going to do it. That's fine, just temper your expectations and realize that, hey, you probably aren't gonna inspire anyone.
This may be a chicken or the egg situation but from what I've seen, most people who already play the game don't care to write for it. And these games haven't had their player numbers improve in a good while so writers who aren't already in the fandom aren't getting into them either. So even if that message was removed it's unlikely anything would change.After seeing this kind of post, it's no wonder not many people are going to volunteer to write for the game. Are there very many people who would volunteer or apply for a job and come in for training after being given this sort of motivation at an interview? Sure, it can deter writers who aren't sure if they'll keep writing until they finish a project and that might not be too serious about a project, but it can also turn away passionate writers that might actually want to contribute something out of love for it, too. This post is, not surprisingly, a great way to encourage potential recruits.
I do know removing it wouldn't really change anything now. What I meant was that, at the time of its creation, it may have been one of many factors that contributed to a lack of writers, but I don't exactly have a way of tracking player numbers or how many writers joined the development team over several years of Trials in Tainted Space's history. What computer program would be able to display a statistical table of this information from a specific website? I'm not too heavily knowledgeable about computer programs and tools. Could I find it with a search engine search?This may be a chicken or the egg situation but from what I've seen, most people who already play the game don't care to write for it. And these games haven't had their player numbers improve in a good while so writers who aren't already in the fandom aren't getting into them either. So even if that message was removed it's unlikely anything would change.
Here are Savin and Fenoxo Patreon numbers: CoC2 / TiTSI do know removing it wouldn't really change anything now. What I meant was that, at the time of its creation, it may have been one of many factors that contributed to a lack of writers, but I don't exactly have a way of tracking player numbers or how many writers joined the development team over several years of Trials in Tainted Space's history. What computer program would be able to display a statistical table of this information from a specific website? I'm not too heavily knowledgeable about computer programs and tools. Could I find it with a search engine search?
I don't think there were any "controversies". It's just that TiTS has been in development for nearly a decade at this point, and people who could once support it financially probably had their situations change, or just got tired of waiting for it to wrap up. As much as I hate it when developers and publishers rush their employees to get a game finished, there's generally a reason games don't get 5-10 year development cycles. Just ask the long suffering Elder Scrolls fanbase. Or better yet, ask the fans of Duke Nukem 3D what they think of Duke Nukem: Forever and its staggering 14 years, 1 month, 14 days-long development.Here are Savin and Fenoxo Patreon numbers: CoC2 / TiTS
If you go on All you can see CoC2 has not had growth since 2023 and TiTS has been steadily losing members since 2022. I don't know the full history of all of these games controversies so I can't look at the graphs and say what triggered this if anything at all. I've also never in the Discord so I can't say if those numbers have changed.
Eh, I think it's just a case of things loosing momentum over time. It's sad, but inevitable.Here are Savin and Fenoxo Patreon numbers: CoC2 / TiTS
If you go on All you can see CoC2 has not had growth since 2023 and TiTS has been steadily losing members since 2022. I don't know the full history of all of these games controversies so I can't look at the graphs and say what triggered this if anything at all. I've also never in the Discord so I can't say if those numbers have changed.
Do note that the date of that post is well into a decade old. The sense humor/attitude from that time may be dated now, but the core message still stands. Basically the Ideas sub-forum is for throwing personal ideas into the wild and getting feedback, if any at all (whether or not the topic's author decides to write for said idea--"Hey, I think I'm going to write this, what do you think?"). If one were to voluntarily contribute writing for the game, there is a proper Event Submissions sub-forum, and that's were more constructive feedback may be gathered ("Hey, I am currently committed to writing this, please review it.")."I have an idea-" Stop. Read this first.
This seems to be an oversight and will hopefully be fixed for the next release. There was another value it was supposed to check for which existed in the old code, but was missed after the code migration to JavaScript. So now, muzzled or not, the "Androgyny" perk should stick to the character unless that particular value has changed (the value which, from what I can see, isn't altered anywhere normally in-game so far).I would personally buy the first dev to get rid of the muzzle face tag requirement on the Androgyny Perk dinner because holy fuck, this thing feels like it'd help so much with character building if it wasn't locked off. It'd not even coded right because it's a requirement to have that face tag just to keep the perk, not to acquire it. So, like me, new players will try to get it and immediately lose it and be confused why.
Most of our growth just moved over to Steam AFAICT. But yeah I don't think "make the same game for a decade lol" is exactly a vibrant business strategy, especially when we do exactly zero advertisement/etc. The only way people find out about these games is word of mouth.As for CoC2, if the numbers are holding steady
Fen could probably see a similar boost in numbers if he ported TiTS over to Steam, if he wasn't opposed to that because reasons.Most of our growth just moved over to Steam AFAICT. But yeah I don't think "make the same game for a decade lol" is exactly a vibrant business strategy, especially when we do exactly zero advertisement/etc. The only way people find out about these games is word of mouth.
Steam is a crowded marketplace, but I guess prurient interests will always have those who wish to be catered to by them.Most of our growth just moved over to Steam AFAICT.
Yeah, if you can believe it, I first found out about Fenco's games through DeviantArt.But yeah I don't think "make the same game for a decade lol" is exactly a vibrant business strategy, especially when we do exactly zero advertisement/etc. The only way people find out about these games is word of mouth.
What are those reasons anyway, of you don't mind me asking.Fen could probably see a similar boost in numbers if he ported TiTS over to Steam, if he wasn't opposed to that because reasons.
So we can suffer.What are those reasons anyway, of you don't mind me asking.
I would have preferred to have been given the site and basic instructions, so that I can learn to search for the data myself, but I suppose showing it to me was just easier and simpler. Thank you very much for providing the statistical graphs.Here are Savin and Fenoxo Patreon numbers: CoC2 / TiTS
If you go on All you can see CoC2 has not had growth since 2023 and TiTS has been steadily losing members since 2022. I don't know the full history of all of these games controversies so I can't look at the graphs and say what triggered this if anything at all. I've also never in the Discord so I can't say if those numbers have changed.
I'm pretty sure that's an oversight, not a missed opportunity. Even if it wasn't, they don't want major combat abilities tied to race/appearance.I can use TailMeMore on my Combat Tails, but it doesn't give me multiple tail attacks. Feels like a missed opportunity, to me.
Any Steele can get a jetpack and fly, so it's not totally limited to Suula or Gryvian.Like wings that enable flight during combat?