Your gripes with CoC II
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It "came out of nowhere" that the person whose entire quest is "free the dick" would want to use said dick?
No, that the love confession only unlocks from bottoming for her instead of pretty much any other romantic scene you can have with Ryn does.
I mean, why would you even want the confession then. You're clearly uninterested when you want nothing to do with a core part of the character and her body. Like, did you imagine whether or not you actually accept a person and their body on a whole to not impact whether they want to dedicate their love to you?
Again. Her entire character is built around getting her dick free. And she just has to be allowed to use her dick on champ in the one scene afaik. This ain't rocket science.
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You can judge me if you want because I won't let characters fuck me with their dicks if that makes you happy or feel morally superior, I won't care though, it's just something I don't enjoy and you don't see me judging people for their preferences, they do them.
In the end, you just want me to not complain about a character if I like them and do whatever they want in exchange of a show of emotion, which I disagree with.
Arona has a dick and she never uses it on my character, that didn't stop her from showing her feelings though.
In the end, you just want me to not complain about a character if I like them and do whatever they want in exchange of a show of emotion, which I disagree with.
You had a vastly different take than me regarding a character and the writing, so I wanted to put forth my understanding and opinion of it. It was not intended as a judgement on your preferences, but to potentially give you a viewpoint you might not have considered, or hear your own views in more detail.
I apologise if it came off as accusatory or like I think you're somehow morally in the wrong for thinking as you do. I simply have a vested interest in hearing people's takes on writing, particularly writing I happen to enjoy a whole lot, as I'm trying to better my own skills.
Then that just makes the restriction pointless. Either go all in on the fact that she only wants to romance champions that are willing to bottom by forcing us to do so with her from time to time. Like Evelyn does.
Or just simply remove it, make her confessi her feelings regardless if you want to bottom to her or not. Like Arona does.
This just feels unnecessary exclusionary.
I could sort of see the argument that it seems exclusionary for no reason, if it was just any scene you could trigger by just reaching a relationship threshold or something at any time. The way she's written for the game, hell, the way most if not all companions are written, seems more "milestone-based" though, if you will.
Her entire arc as a character is locked to the rather sizable questline, and that scene is like the culmination of it. So having it be the scene where you essentially make the grand choice of "I want to focus on more of this character and the deeper involvement", makes sense, and having the choice be made by how you finish the arc is logical.
There's plenty of permanent choices that have to be made in the game, that may swing one way or the other for different people, some of them less important to do in a particular way, some more. Considering Ryn's story, and the buildup and focus of the scenes and dialogue until that point, I just don't see another solution that would feel as impactful, as well as meaningful.
Wow, this sure blew up more than I thought it would!
It's a bit annoying to me because, frankly, I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand, speaking as a fellow "I don't like taking the dick" individual, I can see the point being that if your character is portrayed as being in love with Ryn and she with them, then the confession being locked behind receiving dick from her could be a bit frustrating.
But, on the other hand, speaking as a "I enjoy Ryn enough as a character that I make an exception for her" individual, it also makes perfect narrative sense. Here, at the absolute turning point of her life, when she finally receives freedom and the option to live her life as she chooses, she wishes to have her first experience with the part of her that's been locked away with the person who means more to her than anybody else - you. Can you imagine how it would feel to have that denied? Even if the feelings have not changed, even if she still loves you, it makes perfect sense to me that it might slightly ruin the mood and make her hesitant to make any sort of confession.
To me, this is one of those cases where I try more to focus on what my character would do than what I would do. And I choose to think that if my straight, no-dick-please character loves Ryn as much as he's supposed to, he's very much willing to make an exception for her because of just how much she means to him; it's a sacrifice he makes for her sake, which is a fundamental part of most successful relationships. And in so doing, he thoroughly earns the confession, and cements his already hard-earned place in her heart.
Just thinking out loud with this.
It's a bit annoying to me because, frankly, I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand, speaking as a fellow "I don't like taking the dick" individual, I can see the point being that if your character is portrayed as being in love with Ryn and she with them, then the confession being locked behind receiving dick from her could be a bit frustrating.
But, on the other hand, speaking as a "I enjoy Ryn enough as a character that I make an exception for her" individual, it also makes perfect narrative sense. Here, at the absolute turning point of her life, when she finally receives freedom and the option to live her life as she chooses, she wishes to have her first experience with the part of her that's been locked away with the person who means more to her than anybody else - you. Can you imagine how it would feel to have that denied? Even if the feelings have not changed, even if she still loves you, it makes perfect sense to me that it might slightly ruin the mood and make her hesitant to make any sort of confession.
To me, this is one of those cases where I try more to focus on what my character would do than what I would do. And I choose to think that if my straight, no-dick-please character loves Ryn as much as he's supposed to, he's very much willing to make an exception for her because of just how much she means to him; it's a sacrifice he makes for her sake, which is a fundamental part of most successful relationships. And in so doing, he thoroughly earns the confession, and cements his already hard-earned place in her heart.
Just thinking out loud with this.
I'm surprised that people could miss at least to my understanding that the "love confession scene" involving taking it from Etheryn else having to bring in a third party wouldn't stand to piss off most of the stereotypical pure male knighty boys, other players who feel the same, and the only my dick types. The game does seem to have attracted all of those crowds.
Etheryn is part of what I would call the cornerstone waifus along with Brienne, Kiyoko, and any other solely Champion dick interested character, So to have one of those go counter to that would be heresy to them as they are being asked to bend over. I would dare say that this ordeal could spiral into another Azyrran situation to a lesser degree by the sole fact that it could be interpreted that the character is different now due to wanting to fuck the Champ once out of the cage. I'm sure the sentiment will start to crop up more once the content goes public.
Etheryn is part of what I would call the cornerstone waifus along with Brienne, Kiyoko, and any other solely Champion dick interested character, So to have one of those go counter to that would be heresy to them as they are being asked to bend over. I would dare say that this ordeal could spiral into another Azyrran situation to a lesser degree by the sole fact that it could be interpreted that the character is different now due to wanting to fuck the Champ once out of the cage. I'm sure the sentiment will start to crop up more once the content goes public.
If you go with Elthara option you only ever have to give her some oral, your precious bunghole will stay unspoiled, while Cait option you aren't involved at all, mirroring Cait's version of the original Reveal. El option still gets the confession scene, and you can keep her on the bottom for the rest of time if you wish (as long as El at least gets pregnant, need to maintain that royal line after all). I don't feel that's that much of an issue. I mean... you knew she always had a dick, it was kinda always made a bit of a big deal about in that reveal scene, more than others like Annika even to some degree who frequently just have vague descriptions, and uncaging her was basically half her character, and way more important than Cait's sister that set the whole quest off ever was. If you never want to ever bother with someone's primary sexual organ maybe... don't get emotionally attached to said person? I mean even super-top Evelyn will give her buttginity to you if you have a penis virgintiy (and not a micropenis) when you get to the "Fuck" option. I don't feel this is a big controversy as some seem to feel. I kinda always assumed something had to be done with that pecker once it was in the wilds again, especially after turning her female was refused due to the massive potential issues and already existing parser problems with her character.
So why is her fucking El considered a worthy enough of a jest while her fucking Cait or Arona is not? Just because we are not present? Since, by all admition, El is doing the heavy lifting in that exchange.
This whole thing just feels unnecessary. I hope there are other opportunities for he to confess our love to her latter down the line. Maybe a date or something. If not, this is just leaving me with sour taste in my mouth.
This whole thing just feels unnecessary. I hope there are other opportunities for he to confess our love to her latter down the line. Maybe a date or something. If not, this is just leaving me with sour taste in my mouth.
I guess today my only gripe is I can't enchant anything. Even though Viviane taught us how, still can't do it. But I don't want to be mean to the coders, they have more important things to work on. Bigger things to work on, trust me I somewhat get it. I'm writing a TF Event, and that little thing is exhausting me.
It gives me a little bit of empathy on what the devs, Savin, main writers, and coders do. In order to give us the content they do, I'm writing the TF event on my Android phone too. So no keyboard, very tiny screen, anyways not the point. I'm just saying I'd like the ability to enchant my weapons or armor.
Like maybe after Viv becomes a companion ok I'm done. Seriously though thank you Sav, & Co for everything that you can give us. Speaking with empathy after writing a measly, little TF event.
It gives me a little bit of empathy on what the devs, Savin, main writers, and coders do. In order to give us the content they do, I'm writing the TF event on my Android phone too. So no keyboard, very tiny screen, anyways not the point. I'm just saying I'd like the ability to enchant my weapons or armor.
Like maybe after Viv becomes a companion ok I'm done. Seriously though thank you Sav, & Co for everything that you can give us. Speaking with empathy after writing a measly, little TF event.
okay, let me tell you a secret. i once subbed garde's patreon. you can remove the cage with lumia in a literal god threesome. if that doesn't also unlock the romance i will shit, and i love ryn dick
edit: but if you won't do the bare minimum of a quick lube job on your waifu before she sires an heir on her not-mom just once, do you really love her? my gripe is there is no arona threesome
edit: but if you won't do the bare minimum of a quick lube job on your waifu before she sires an heir on her not-mom just once, do you really love her? my gripe is there is no arona threesome
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I agree to an extent but I see what you are saying, this convo is ntn but spoilers for me cause I'm a public user; tho I disagree on the "to me, this is one of those cases where I try more to focus on what my character would do than what I would do. And I think that if my straight, no-dick-please character loves Ryn as much as he's supposed to, he's very much willing to make an exception for her because of just how much she means to him" Bit -are you roleplaying or just playing a role? There is a difference and the writing pushing you to her doesn't justify forcing the player to take it up the ass if they don't want to. I'm a Ryn lover but that doesn't fly with me but I can't ignore her because she's plot-relevant.
Another thing I've known for a while now but despise is the fact that Ryn shares El with you, El is everyone's girl, Ryn deserves better; like I'd like us to have the ability to give her a vag without removing the D. (maybe a couple of touch-ups to her lingerie scene, some sleeping scenes, and a new sex scene would be needed) or have us hook her up with some else. (I like when side characters get relevance through the game and it's both a notch in the CoC2 belt and its hiccups but this instance just doesn't feel right.)
I mean, if you want nothing to do with a characters genitals I dunno why you'd be surprised you miss out on a scene or two with them.
That feels obvious and there's no real way around it. We've been told to just avoid like, the entire Den by it's writer for any gripes with it. So one or two scenes just doesn't seem like much to me. You got off pretty lucky by this projects standards of "deal with it"
That feels obvious and there's no real way around it. We've been told to just avoid like, the entire Den by it's writer for any gripes with it. So one or two scenes just doesn't seem like much to me. You got off pretty lucky by this projects standards of "deal with it"
I feel as if I have been misread, I'm fine with Ryn wanting to fuck after getting her cage off it seem only natural and of course that would naturally deepen the feeling of the her and the champs relationship, I play a female herm so it's only a plus for me.
I was just saying that I'm surprised that others didn't get that certain people were going to complain that the elf wanted to do something special with her now free dick rather then get railed up the ass like normal.
I was just saying that I'm surprised that others didn't get that certain people were going to complain that the elf wanted to do something special with her now free dick rather then get railed up the ass like normal.
that's a bad mentality to go with tho, because that can just straight up hold potential back because legit problems can just be ignored.
okay, i'll bite: what impregnable preexisting npc Is good enough?
Another hot set of gripes I really despise; Coc2 is repeating some of the same problems Coc1 had but isn't integrating all the good CoC1 made. So I'll list them out and explain why I feel this way and I'll point out examples where I can:
1. PC character is inconsistent from writer to writer. Coc1 had this to an extent but it wasn't so obvious it's rough because it can be avoided if they use perks to serve as checks for certain lines of dialogue and scenes. One such example is the player subbing for Evelyn should be locked behind a masochist or Subby perk so I don't stumble into getting throatfu@ked by a dickgirl (as/for a first-time player)
2. TF relevance; I have my own views on TFs getting gutted of depth but at least in Coc1 they were dynamic in various ways that aren't reliant on one aspect (combat aside). They played into sex scenes by adding new paragraphs and lines (Taunting the Sand witch after a W has a nice reference to powers and TFs and multiple sex scenes change a bit), they act as keys to content which make that content feel valuable, they were used to help characterize the NPCs because if the Forum wasn't evidence enough ppl have standards/boundaries/types that they like and they having these requirements gives them that human edge.
3. There are a lot more scenarios that allow for roleplay in Coc1 while you're more on a ride in Coc2 but with better quest design, example favor of Coc1 with the event when at the demon factory there are many reasons you can use to justify either decision on either side of the Pure/Corrupt argument. While in Coc2 there really is no reason to full-on hate or even Rival Kas, She not only saves you and Cait but ASK's IF you want to fuck, she's just another superpower looking to establish themselves in a similar way to the other powers in the Marshes have done.
1. PC character is inconsistent from writer to writer. Coc1 had this to an extent but it wasn't so obvious it's rough because it can be avoided if they use perks to serve as checks for certain lines of dialogue and scenes. One such example is the player subbing for Evelyn should be locked behind a masochist or Subby perk so I don't stumble into getting throatfu@ked by a dickgirl (as/for a first-time player)
2. TF relevance; I have my own views on TFs getting gutted of depth but at least in Coc1 they were dynamic in various ways that aren't reliant on one aspect (combat aside). They played into sex scenes by adding new paragraphs and lines (Taunting the Sand witch after a W has a nice reference to powers and TFs and multiple sex scenes change a bit), they act as keys to content which make that content feel valuable, they were used to help characterize the NPCs because if the Forum wasn't evidence enough ppl have standards/boundaries/types that they like and they having these requirements gives them that human edge.
3. There are a lot more scenarios that allow for roleplay in Coc1 while you're more on a ride in Coc2 but with better quest design, example favor of Coc1 with the event when at the demon factory there are many reasons you can use to justify either decision on either side of the Pure/Corrupt argument. While in Coc2 there really is no reason to full-on hate or even Rival Kas, She not only saves you and Cait but ASK's IF you want to fuck, she's just another superpower looking to establish themselves in a similar way to the other powers in the Marshes have done.
This isn't one in my view. Sometimes when you want nothing to do with a characters genitals you miss out on scenes...That's unavoidable. And in this case it changes nothing about your characters interactions with her outside of it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too in this case. If you don't want to play with her dick you miss out on the scene where the first person she uses it on is you. There's no way around that.
Tbh I lean towards the "give her a pussy" crowd but if there is one person I'd say is worth it would be Hethia, tho they have to tackle the PC shipping a Tsun with a DereDere
So what you're saying is that the scene doesn't carry any relevance since it doesn't add anything than just that one scene? Ok cool, I thought it added more scenes and callbacks/references.
Exactly, you aren't present, and you have nothing to do with her, that's the big difference, so then people that don't want much to do with Etheryn can give her to Cait both times and tell her to sex others back at the Frosthound. Regardless of your choice, she NEEDS to fuck El regardless if the champ doesn't have a Vag available, because she needs royal heirs, that's a plot point that can't be gotten around so... just go with El in the first place.
Note, this is only for the "delcare undying love" part, if you just want her as your fuckbuddy buttslut, you never need that whole thing, and can just give her to Cait anyway. But if you are declaring full on love for someone, but refuse to have something to do with their dick, ever, despite knowing about it all the time... well, then if you can't see any problems with that, then I can't help you.
Vag was vetoed on the simple basis that Ryn already is nearly broken code-wise with her existing transform parsers and stuff, it would just be too much. Not to mention all of the scenes that need to be drastically rewritten... and then you have the fact that Ryn herself several times specifically says she doesn't want one in-game. Now, arguably the cumflation scenes kinda alluded to her being pregged at some point, but that was apparently mostly just bedtime talk, as opposed to something Ryn wants, and if you do milky scenes with her for example, or a few others, it's kinda clear what was always her preference, to be able to knock up the Champ at some point in the future. Failing that however, Ryn needs to knock up someone just on the basis of being last surviving non-demonic heir of the royal line. It's her literal duty that superceedes anyything else, so if champ lacks the part, someone else needs to step in, and Elthara is the most obvious alternative, especially since she's not everyone's girl, she's your girl on the same basis as Brienne for example, she won't ever fuck anyone else unless she has your say so, even when she has similar insane needs as Brienne does. So you get together with Ryn and your best girl who's also Ryn's close adviser and a respected noble in her own right and make an heir. Or you don't, and Ryn presumably has to find someone else without you.
This is something that's been bothering me about this whole series of complaints!
It's not like she hid her dick; in fact, she's been pretty vocal about wanting to use it. People are acting like it just suddenly bitch slapped them in a drive by or something. And like, I know it's a porn game, but love has concessions and compromise. If you are that against taking fictional dick from a character everyone knew had a dick in the first place and was vocal about wanting to use it, idk what to tell y'all. It's a pretty big part of her character, and denying it then throwing a fit about it says more about you than the game that made it plainly obvious where all this was going.
Edit: fixed a typo
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