"I had two chances and chose none of the above. Now I'm angy about it." - also my 5'5 wyld elf so while I'm making fun I also feel the pain on one of my characters lol
Your gripes with CoC II
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If you're giving the spear to Evelyn, it's because you're into her content and want to see a different side of it, or you're interested in the fairly obvious story implications of what Evelyn wants to do with that power (that the game warns you about in bolded text will have consequences) or some combination of the two. It's not meant to have a mechanical benefit.
Obviously if you're not interested in either of those things, that's totally fine and so is giving it to Azzy, but 'Azzy gets more out of it' isn't really an accurate statement unless you're only looking at things through a gameplay mechanics lens.
The Champ isn't royal even if they're of the Noble Scion background, they're a non-inheriting member of local nobility. So we're simply never an option to take the spear. There have been a few other characters mentioned on the Discord as potential options to take the thing, though most of the potentially qualifying characters that have been brought up are or will be potentially missable as well. The only character who's guaranteed to always be present in some capacity is Ryn and she's mooted because Ashe doesn't want to let her anywhere near the damned thing.
I know, though what counts and doesn't count as royalty is flimsy since the one who decides is the spear in the end, I mean if Azzy is worthy then the gnoll princess should be too, even though their lands, subjects and claim is close to that of the lowest of nobility if even that, they are more like tribal chiefs.
In the end I just wanted the spear for myself because I like dragons and thought it was cool, the PC having it would also spare the developers from any major writing unlike giving it to another npc, but I am aware it most likely won't ever happen, thats why I'd be happy destroying it too.
Interesting…I'll bite. Is it possible to elaborate a bit on that matter? For the audience that doesn't use discord (yet at least).
Because Ashe's draconic conditions are fuzzy af to read into there's only few people coming to mind: Lyla, (doubtfully) Cait and possibly Ahmri?
A penny for your thoughts.
I mean its pretty plausiable for the champ to have been gone long enough for her to recover and a lot of the damages to be fixed, and the champ not being in the vacinity, like when you save the centaur village. Your taken out of the game for a couple of days to clean that up, also Kiyoko does show up towards the end, which implies she was just at Komari's probably catching up with her. Its probbaly how they realized "Oh hey I cant fucking teleport back to my den something is wrong".
Visiting your wife and daughter on a regular basis is pretty creepy dude.
Bimbazzy is a lovely bean for sure! But the Dragoon set is still just a set. You can switch Azzy out of it whenever you wish and bring her back to her Hive Knight or Bimbo personalities. All the spear does for her is give her another option.
Still! If it's not your thing, not your thing. That's fine and valid too.
A wiseperson once said "Opinions are like *ssholes- everyones got one and they all stink."
I like @Alypia's take...I may not agree with your opinion...heck I may even tease you about it, cause I tease everyone even myself, but you are welcome to your opinion as long as you aren't hurting anyone else lol
I like @Alypia's take...I may not agree with your opinion...heck I may even tease you about it, cause I tease everyone even myself, but you are welcome to your opinion as long as you aren't hurting anyone else lol
The fuzziness is apparently deliberate, as Savin and Tobs had an on-channel discussion about leaving it vague until it's necessary to provide the specifics. Clearly there are specifics but those are confined to a select few right now.
Savin's mentioned Kythie, the 'mander princess of Tychris who isn't currently in the game (and won't be for a while) as an obvious candidate, but he's also said in a completely unrelated conversation about his plans for her that Kythie's initial content includes the possibility of locking you out of her future content so she'd probably be just as potentially missable as the existing options.
Garde (probably jokingly) suggested Ahmri but you can miss her if you fuck up Harbouring a Fugitive, and whether she even qualifies is debatable. Tobs specifically said that just claiming to be royal and controlling a chunk of territory isn't enough, so the lupine jarls are specifically out as are their descendants. That would presumably nix Ahmri and Atani, and Gnoll Princess on the various beses of 'non-hereditary position that doesn't even claim royalty', 'doesn't claim royalty', and 'self-claimed, actual control is questionable'. That's not confirmed, just my thoughts based on what I've seen.
Savin's also said that Cait was the closest of the existing characters to qualify due to having a royal ancestor, but she's too far removed to count any more. Likewise he's said that hypothetically King Kelsaz and any children he may have would certainly be legitimate spear candidates.
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CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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I'm personally all for destroying the spear.
Too many magical weapons and artifacts in the world as it is, people should just be finding lightly used iron swords made at the smithy down the way when they go exploring mysterious caves and other hidden places.
"Wait adventurer! Only those of royal blood can remove that spear!"
"The fuck? Why?"
"So there's actually something noteworthy about it."
Too many magical weapons and artifacts in the world as it is, people should just be finding lightly used iron swords made at the smithy down the way when they go exploring mysterious caves and other hidden places.
"Wait adventurer! Only those of royal blood can remove that spear!"
"The fuck? Why?"
"So there's actually something noteworthy about it."
Just take the spear out, and switch Azzy back to Bimbo. Best of both worlds.
I must preface this by saying are people really in that much of a need for a single spear even if it's magical Dragon Spear.
They really should have just let you pick up the spear and use it but have it be inert and with a bad stat line because it's not for you it's for someone else.
With an uncharitable reading how the quest goes it could be read as a spit in the face of the player for the perpetuation of champion not specialism or just to screw with the player due to a lack of a Dragon TF.
I do wonder if that was the intended effect or they just didn't think people would care for a spear with a contrived meaning of royal and thought it would be cool to have a dragon spear that can transform your friends, I would assume the latter and they didn't think people would be so bothered by it even if it could have been done in a better way.
They really should have just let you pick up the spear and use it but have it be inert and with a bad stat line because it's not for you it's for someone else.
With an uncharitable reading how the quest goes it could be read as a spit in the face of the player for the perpetuation of champion not specialism or just to screw with the player due to a lack of a Dragon TF.
I do wonder if that was the intended effect or they just didn't think people would care for a spear with a contrived meaning of royal and thought it would be cool to have a dragon spear that can transform your friends, I would assume the latter and they didn't think people would be so bothered by it even if it could have been done in a better way.
One of the things that irk me the most from this, is Azzy being worthy, like we were never told(as far as I remember) that she was special in the hive in any kind of way that would mark her as royalty, unlike for example Prince Nyze, she was just a hive knight and if we go by normal hornet/bee rules she would've to be special since birth to be queen eventually.
If all of the offspring of Queen Nyzerrah counts as royalty then that means the maids at the wayfort should be able to pull it free too, and your maids being royalty just seems silly.
I can't say anything about Evelyn's ability to free it since I'm not into being dommed and topped so I just ignore her and know pretty much nothing about her.
If all of the offspring of Queen Nyzerrah counts as royalty then that means the maids at the wayfort should be able to pull it free too, and your maids being royalty just seems silly.
I can't say anything about Evelyn's ability to free it since I'm not into being dommed and topped so I just ignore her and know pretty much nothing about her.
Read the codex entry, it has a lot to say about how vesparian society works. Azzy and the other hive knights are potential queens while the majority of the females (and obviously all of the males) aren't.
She's a princess from Yvennes, a country about a month's travel south of the Marches.
There is a dragon TF planned, it's coming Very Soon. And I'm pretty sure the devs don't care that some people wish their champ could be more super-speshul than they already are.
I admit I forgot about that, so it feels less irksome now, though I still feel like the hive should not count as a proper kingdom but that doesn't matter in the end.
I'll back off from discussing the spear any further for now since I think I griped about it enough.
I will chime in here briefly just to say I do agree that the spear's conditions are pretty lame imo.
Just make it so the spear chooses based on nothing at this point. Because these floaty rules in other areas of the game were already kind of annoying, with this it now just seems trite.
It's a porn game, guys, you don't have to make things so convoluted. "Magic spear make choice magically." That's all it takes.
Then you'd have way less people complaining about this character or that, or even their own champs who took the noble background not getting special spear treatment.
In a separate but related gripe, maybe I just haven't stumbled my way into it somehow or forgot, but I really feel like the noble background is the most useless one. I can clearly recall instances with the other ones coming in handy or being clearly indicated on, but noble really escapes me. The only time I can recall it being referenced off the top of my head is an instance in the kitsune content where it's used self-deprecatingly to say despite being a noble you're still basically a savage compared to the foxes. Which isn't really...my favorite background call ever, understandably.
Just make it so the spear chooses based on nothing at this point. Because these floaty rules in other areas of the game were already kind of annoying, with this it now just seems trite.
It's a porn game, guys, you don't have to make things so convoluted. "Magic spear make choice magically." That's all it takes.
Then you'd have way less people complaining about this character or that, or even their own champs who took the noble background not getting special spear treatment.
In a separate but related gripe, maybe I just haven't stumbled my way into it somehow or forgot, but I really feel like the noble background is the most useless one. I can clearly recall instances with the other ones coming in handy or being clearly indicated on, but noble really escapes me. The only time I can recall it being referenced off the top of my head is an instance in the kitsune content where it's used self-deprecatingly to say despite being a noble you're still basically a savage compared to the foxes. Which isn't really...my favorite background call ever, understandably.
CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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It's the spear's call what does and doesn't count for royalty, and the problem with that is anything that is not me is liable to be at least a bit foolish now and again.
In the spear's case, it's been sitting in a cave for years on end with no one to talk to but a dying dragon. When do you think the last time it had any food or water was? Some fresh air and sunlight? It's honestly no wonder the spear is a bit out of sorts here.
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The Noble background will be called on when meeting Lusina at her camp, letting nobles recognize her family name and its background. It also allows you to flawlessly dance with Etheryn at the Ball, which is also enabled by a Courtesan background or having a high Agility score. There's a few knowledge-related call outs also, but overall I'd still agree that it's a bit more useless than others. Soldiers for example both get the Strength bonus as well as can do soldier-training with the manticore girl, and a few other things.
The spear looks for royalty in its bearers, not nobility. Shockingly there is a difference between the two concepts. Even with that background, the Champ is a non-inheriting member of provincial nobility, not a potential heir to a throne.
In addition to other examples mentioned, Noble Scion Champs have a shared check for one of Kinu's events (the math one), a negative check for Adult Kinu's description (if you don't have it or another relevant one, it'll comment on your simple upbringing), Tetsuya and Evelyn both have checks to interact with a fellow noble, Kiyoko's main doc alone has multiple checks for it, Ryn's dates have several checks for it, Serena has a couple of checks for it, Anni has checks for it...
Oh, and while she's not in the game yet Savin has mentioned that having the background will let you potentially skip some of the checks in Kythie's plot.
While I understand your sentiment there, I strongly disagree on this statement.
Being a "porn game" doesn't mean storytelling get's a free pass and it's only reason for existing is it's pleasing fapability.
Mind you, the very best "porn game" I ever played had such a damn great storytelling I seriously got pissed in most cases it delivered it's fap content - because that meant I lost while I just wanted to progress on the plot. I honestly came for the porn, but stayed for the story. THAT, in my opinion, is a porn game done well and serves as golden standard for me ever since. It's called Monster Girl Quest by ToroToro Resistance btw. If you didn't play it yet I strongly encourage you to do so. You'll thank me later.
Anyway, a well told and thrilling story is very important for me - even in a porn game - and I bet I'm not the sole player here thinking that way. That's also the reason why I often bicker about being held off of huge plot content by reasons that don't make much sense imo, making it applicable to just one limited group of players for one.
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The story overall is quite important, and I didn't mean to say it wasn't. I'm simply stating that I don't believe the rules of this one random magical spear are worth so much specificity or special treatment.
It just seems weird to me. No other item in the game is treated this way, not even the Dawnsword.
I really liked the pub patch for the most part, SkoW is a master at writing dragons as shown with Aileh and she aced it again with Ashe. The sentient mace has just the right amount of input and commentary to give you a reason to keep her in the inventory even if you never use her as an actual weapon. She's a great addition to the game! (Hell, she screams "BONK" on a crit, she's fucking adorable.)
I've brought this up before but it's relevant to my only gripe with the dragon content so far; generally speaking, I don't recruit Azzy because the game always treats it as though you're in a relationship with her. Her recruitment dialogue has you telling the queen bee that you'll assuredly fuck her daughter, then the Lia/Azzy dialogue where they bring up polyamory has them both treating you like you're one of her partners by default. I'd rather relegate her to the friendzone but still bring her along because while I genuinely like her character, I am completely disinterested in her sex/relationship content. Other companions like Brint and Cait start as just friends and while they have the option to become lovers, they don't refer to you as their partner unless the romance is active, whereas Azzy post dragoon TF (aside from one line of dialogue where she says you can stay platonic) constantly refers to you as her "hive-spouse" and the fact that you can't set actual boundaries with that companion still bothers me.
As for the spear not going to the player, I don't really care about the PC not getting it as there are already plenty of unique and interesting weapons (including a literal fuckin god-powered lightsaber) so another one getting added to the list would just be another storage slot taken up and God knows those poor storage chests in the Frosthound are already bursting at the seams.
Evelyn's not my cup of tea most of the time but giving her content a try to see the new stuff was pretty neat, and I love the idea of throwing a wrench into the warring fiefdoms by way of a dragon queen; the implications that you accidentally created Genghis Khan 2.0 scratches my itch of the player character actually being important to shaping the world of Savarra, even if it's by proxy.
Savin's mentioned a Tychris princess he wants to write, imo that'd be a great potential spear-wielder. Her bloodline's gone weak so draconic power could help her strengthen it, and the fact that you wouldn't have to fuck n' suck her 10 times to find out that she's royalty might make her a decent alternative for folks who don't vibe with Ev.
All said, you can just recruit the hornet, have her pull the spear out, then never interact with her again, so my issue has a very easy fix and I've aired my Azzy complaints enough so this is the last time I'll bring those up. I genuinely liked the new update and having the new mace gave me a reason to try a shield-tank warrior build which was more fun than I expected. Solid work!
I've brought this up before but it's relevant to my only gripe with the dragon content so far; generally speaking, I don't recruit Azzy because the game always treats it as though you're in a relationship with her. Her recruitment dialogue has you telling the queen bee that you'll assuredly fuck her daughter, then the Lia/Azzy dialogue where they bring up polyamory has them both treating you like you're one of her partners by default. I'd rather relegate her to the friendzone but still bring her along because while I genuinely like her character, I am completely disinterested in her sex/relationship content. Other companions like Brint and Cait start as just friends and while they have the option to become lovers, they don't refer to you as their partner unless the romance is active, whereas Azzy post dragoon TF (aside from one line of dialogue where she says you can stay platonic) constantly refers to you as her "hive-spouse" and the fact that you can't set actual boundaries with that companion still bothers me.
As for the spear not going to the player, I don't really care about the PC not getting it as there are already plenty of unique and interesting weapons (including a literal fuckin god-powered lightsaber) so another one getting added to the list would just be another storage slot taken up and God knows those poor storage chests in the Frosthound are already bursting at the seams.
Evelyn's not my cup of tea most of the time but giving her content a try to see the new stuff was pretty neat, and I love the idea of throwing a wrench into the warring fiefdoms by way of a dragon queen; the implications that you accidentally created Genghis Khan 2.0 scratches my itch of the player character actually being important to shaping the world of Savarra, even if it's by proxy.
Savin's mentioned a Tychris princess he wants to write, imo that'd be a great potential spear-wielder. Her bloodline's gone weak so draconic power could help her strengthen it, and the fact that you wouldn't have to fuck n' suck her 10 times to find out that she's royalty might make her a decent alternative for folks who don't vibe with Ev.
All said, you can just recruit the hornet, have her pull the spear out, then never interact with her again, so my issue has a very easy fix and I've aired my Azzy complaints enough so this is the last time I'll bring those up. I genuinely liked the new update and having the new mace gave me a reason to try a shield-tank warrior build which was more fun than I expected. Solid work!
If I could give a comment more then one like, I would do it right now. Your post exactly reflects what I think about the topics addressed.
Way to convince me to make yet another character @WolframL I have to see the noble checks now...thanks buddy...
You know what really grind my gears, when you can't find the droids your looking for.
No but seriously no one is selling Ursu Bulbs, I also don't like the idea that my bearfolk PC. Looks like the cowardly lion, from the Wizard Of Oz. I at least want the snout of a bear, other than that I love the bearfolk stuff. Other that World of Warcraft, and Skyrim with the Werebears.
This is the only game you can be a humanoid bear. And the ones in World of Warcraft were almost, made in direct response to Kung-Fu Panda. So it's like "look at all the Po's" anyway as for the kitsune I just put up with them to get the CGs.
CGs are kinda like achievement points, in my view. Also I would love to remind all of those foxes that all it takes. Is to step one foot outside that tree and their in America, baby. Also that I'm probably the only one that can vouch for them not being a threat.
But I can't so I just unlock the CGs, leave and never come back. Seriously Momma Kas May be a demon but even she's more welcoming then the kitsune are by a long shot. But I really just want more Bear stuff, their really overlooked. Well thanks for letting me talk about what really grinds my gears, anyways.
No but seriously no one is selling Ursu Bulbs, I also don't like the idea that my bearfolk PC. Looks like the cowardly lion, from the Wizard Of Oz. I at least want the snout of a bear, other than that I love the bearfolk stuff. Other that World of Warcraft, and Skyrim with the Werebears.
This is the only game you can be a humanoid bear. And the ones in World of Warcraft were almost, made in direct response to Kung-Fu Panda. So it's like "look at all the Po's" anyway as for the kitsune I just put up with them to get the CGs.
CGs are kinda like achievement points, in my view. Also I would love to remind all of those foxes that all it takes. Is to step one foot outside that tree and their in America, baby. Also that I'm probably the only one that can vouch for them not being a threat.
But I can't so I just unlock the CGs, leave and never come back. Seriously Momma Kas May be a demon but even she's more welcoming then the kitsune are by a long shot. But I really just want more Bear stuff, their really overlooked. Well thanks for letting me talk about what really grinds my gears, anyways.
Wrong TF then, as the Ursus Bulb is Bearfolk, not Bear-morph.
Slight difference there, as example Lupines could theoretically be called dog/wolf-morphs, while characters like Drifa would be half-lupine or for better understanding dog/wolf-folk.
Afaik there's presently no ursa-morph TF obtainable in game, or even planned. If you really want it, you can however attempt to get it into the game. Just write it as a Google doc yourself and post it into Event Submissions.
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