Your Gripes With CoC2
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Yeah, that's the big problem with dodge tanking in coc2. Its got like 4 evasion stats, so there's usually at least something that'll be able to hit you
Scaldic Cadence and Frostwarden are two stances that do near identical things. According to the wiki, here's what each do.
For threat generation, Frostwarden scales better and will generate more threat when you have more than 10 Willpower.
For defenses, Frostwarden's static +50 to Armor, Ward, and Focus is superior to Scaldic Cadence scaling defenses. If we wanted Scaldic Cadence to match Frostwarden in defense, we would need 385 Sexiness.
For weapon buff, on stance start they do identical damage with the only difference being damage type. However, Scaldic Cadence's weapon buff will change if your stats change, like getting a Blessing buff, while Frostwarden's weapon buff is calculated based on your spellpower on stance start.
From this comparison, my main issue is Scaldic Cadence's poor defense scaling. The high sexiness to match Frostwarden's defenses, something that takes no stat investments or setup, isn't feasible to maintain in regular gameplay. To close the gap, I'd like to see Scaldic Cadence give +[26 * (Sexi DmgAmp)] Armor, Ward, & Focus which would make it so you'd need 192 Sexiness to get +50 to those stats.
Also, addressing the elephant in the room, Scaldic Cadence is a level 4 power whereas Frostwarden is a level 8 power. I can see the argument that it makes sense for a higher level power to be a straight upgrade to a lower level power. This is true for Heal and Great Heal, Cleave and Whirlwhind, etc. But I see Frostwarden as more of an upgrade to Earthward, which only gives +50 to defenses, and Scaldic Cadence as a parallel power instead since it scales off different stats.
| Scaldic Cadence | Frostwarden |
| On Use: Generate +[30 + 3 * Presence] Threat | Generate +[10 + 5 * Willpower] Threat per turn & +50% Threat |
| +[13 * (Sexi DmgAmp)] Armor, Ward, & Focus | +50 Armor, Ward, & Focus |
| Primary Weapon deals an additional [20 * (Sexi DmgAmp)] Storm Damage | Primary Weapon deals an additional [20 * (Splpow DmgAmp)] Frost Damage |
For threat generation, Frostwarden scales better and will generate more threat when you have more than 10 Willpower.
For defenses, Frostwarden's static +50 to Armor, Ward, and Focus is superior to Scaldic Cadence scaling defenses. If we wanted Scaldic Cadence to match Frostwarden in defense, we would need 385 Sexiness.
For weapon buff, on stance start they do identical damage with the only difference being damage type. However, Scaldic Cadence's weapon buff will change if your stats change, like getting a Blessing buff, while Frostwarden's weapon buff is calculated based on your spellpower on stance start.
From this comparison, my main issue is Scaldic Cadence's poor defense scaling. The high sexiness to match Frostwarden's defenses, something that takes no stat investments or setup, isn't feasible to maintain in regular gameplay. To close the gap, I'd like to see Scaldic Cadence give +[26 * (Sexi DmgAmp)] Armor, Ward, & Focus which would make it so you'd need 192 Sexiness to get +50 to those stats.
Also, addressing the elephant in the room, Scaldic Cadence is a level 4 power whereas Frostwarden is a level 8 power. I can see the argument that it makes sense for a higher level power to be a straight upgrade to a lower level power. This is true for Heal and Great Heal, Cleave and Whirlwhind, etc. But I see Frostwarden as more of an upgrade to Earthward, which only gives +50 to defenses, and Scaldic Cadence as a parallel power instead since it scales off different stats.
I would have assumed they would both scale off stats at stance start, like charge weapon. Interesting that scaldic doesn't tbh
Sorry if I made things confusing, Scaldic Cadence's weapon buff does scale it's damage like Charge Weapon. It's Frostwarden thats the odd one out, since it only considers your stats when you start the stance. I've reported it as a bug since it's the only stance with a weapon buff that acts like that.
Wait charge weapon scales after your stats change? I did not know that
Interesting. Thanks for informing me
Interesting. Thanks for informing me
How about using buffs that make the team more durable/survivable? Shielding Smite can help your champion tank better and help protect your teammates from stray attacks and lasts 2 out of 3 turns. Sorran Chant's a party heal that provides a party wide weapon buff. Both also damage/heal so should help generate threat unlike running something like Blessing (Which you can probably outsource to Etheryn).
Edit: Gave this a shot. Frostwarden/Sorran Chant/Shielding Smite/Summon Frost Moth/Inspiration was able to pretty comfortably hold aggro. Frostwarden generates Aggro very effectively and Sorran/Shielding are both good enough at generating threat.
All of these powers scale with willpower, so I did a +3 Willpower Start.
I'm currently trying to find more threat generating party wide buffs.
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Incredible. They had the entire spectrum of gender, genitals, sexual preference and dom/sub and they made yet another fem-herm mean dom. Just incredible.
Its what the authors want to write tbh. Game is free and all that
I just recently noticed that Elthara has a different pregnancy bust for if the father is Brint specifically (the other one is used for if the Champion, Arona or Quint are the sire). It's the same as the default one, except she's got a bigger belly, and she's sweaty and more flushed-looking. Her Appearance text also changes a tad to reflect this.
I kinda get why - Brint's a big dude. BUT, considering there are other pregnancies where the champion's output is checked to determine either how big the baby is or how many babies there are, wouldn't it make more sense if there was a check for this too instead of it being Brint-specific?
I'm not like, vehemently against it for the record. Just thought it'd be cool if we could do that to Elthara too.
I kinda get why - Brint's a big dude. BUT, considering there are other pregnancies where the champion's output is checked to determine either how big the baby is or how many babies there are, wouldn't it make more sense if there was a check for this too instead of it being Brint-specific?
I'm not like, vehemently against it for the record. Just thought it'd be cool if we could do that to Elthara too.
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Noire's a good example, pc virility determines litter size for her.
There are other pregnancies where the text seems to imply it, but after looking back a bit I actually don't know for sure if that's how they work. I suspect it is, but I may be wrong. Some characters may just have big babies.
I think Clementine's original pregnancy expansion was written with the intent for a large litter of lambs and such, but I don't know if it was finalized or how it was ultimately implemented by the end. I know OreoLuma originally wanted to go pregStage 4 or 5 on her, I think after the first pregnancy, but I wasn't involved in the last parts of that document, once they'd started to lose hope and opened it to other contributors.
It feels odd to me that Kas has 480 Spellpower that goes completely unusued since her two spells, Dragon's Breath and Nullify, don't use that attack stat. Also feels off that she's missing level 9 perks when she's supposed to be a much higher level than us.
Why are Brints and Briennes stats so funky. Brint gets to have 77 Spellpower in the Arena Armor while Brienne get only 41, why? She also has across all her sets (bar pyro) 39 less points of Attack power and on Green Knight she even has 37 less points of Spellpower. Brint also gets without Cunning investment double the Critical chance compared to Brienne, she has 10 points compared to his 20. Brint also has more Sexiness then Brienne in all sets too. Brint has across all his sets a static 137 Attack Power while Brienne has only 98, she loses some only due to Pyro using different stats.
The only thing she gets is one extra point of Leadership due to her being a cowgirl now, she also loses that point of Strength. This stat difference is not from just a single point of Strength being gone. Where are Brints inflated stats coming from?
The only thing she gets is one extra point of Leadership due to her being a cowgirl now, she also loses that point of Strength. This stat difference is not from just a single point of Strength being gone. Where are Brints inflated stats coming from?
That's really weird, are these stats from the same champion? Like could leadership be affecting them?
Forgot to check that. She only goes up to 57 Spellpower with maxed Presence in the Arena Armor. That is still a 20 point difference. Crit chance is still not effected, which means it is still halved. Green Knight Brienne is still about 20-23 points behind Brint. Also Brint gets a free point of Armor. Also different Champs, other save files would help test this if anything but they are hard to find for some reason and also being far enough along.
Champion leadership
Brint stats (arena armor)
Brienne stats
Did your champions have leadership boosting gear on when you were testing the characters? There is a small difference here, but its because Brienne moves 1 point of strength into 1 point of presence. Probably because she changes from Minotaur to Cowgirl?
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Managed to fix it. Same as yours now, I assume you have sleep bonuses or other things active. Found ten points in a Guldring I missed some how but the other ten just went away, odd that. Might be some level three perk but I waited those aways. My samples are fine now, thanks for the screenshots.
Don't worry, she'll get them. Those perks just didn't exist last time her stats got updated.
I'm sure that'll get used for something.
When I'm playing a tank, Mirror Stance almost never leaves my power set. I love stealing powers, and I collect them like Pokemon. But having to use Mirror Stance on anything that doesn't like having threat like a thief or mage feels awkward. To give non-tanks an option to steal powers without getting focus fired, I'd like for Shatter, the other half of the MIrror Power set, to have a % chance to steal a power when you hit an enemy with it.
Also happy to hear this isn't Kas's final form. Will be fun to see if my strats against her survive the buffs, especially if she gets Enduring Body.
Also happy to hear this isn't Kas's final form. Will be fun to see if my strats against her survive the buffs, especially if she gets Enduring Body.
I suspect that one (or more!) of the following will happen:
1. We talk her down, thus bypassing the fight (might be a "conversation battle" similar to Nareva and Hethia).
2. We do some underhanded shit that severely weakens her long enough for us to fight her (may involve Tollus's research from the end of Winter Wolf, wouldn't be surprised if he offers us a way to beat her in exchange for us letting him go when we finally corner his ass).
3. The exact opposite, where the gods give us a temporary power boost that puts us on Kass's level long enough to smite her (the gods could technically smite her themselves, but if they were going to do that they would've done it by now).
Of course, fighting her straight up will probably still be possible. Savin's mentioned that in the full release, betraying her at the end of Siege of Khor'minos and winning will immediately take you to the game's ending, so it sounds like the devs aren't going to make her LITERALLY impossible to kill without story stuff. It'll probably be another case of "only beatable via extremely specific cheese tactics" though.
Based on how the game's gone so far, I think there'll be multiple ways to beat Kass, but which ones are available to you will depend on choices made thus far.
I would kinda prefer her to just actually be beatable in a fight. It would feel cheap if the way we're meant to beat her is to just get a super powered temp buff from the gods or a solution from Tollus, like that would be their win, not ours. We are the main character I want to to win on our own merit. Not entirely sure how to square this with kas being as strong as she is, unless level 10 is an absolutely obscene power spike.
She IS actually beatable in a fight, you can go do that RIGHT NOW
Eh, maybe someone who's a bit better at the game than me can. So long as a non cheese level 10 build can beat her on dark, i'm happy. I'be got no reason to doubt this, none of my various gripes in this thread have ever been that the combat encounters are poorly balanced : )
It'd be cool for sure, but considering how strong she is now I shudder to imagine how much worse it's gonna be once she has her full move and perk set. There's a non-zero chance that the jump to level 10 is a bigger buff to Kass than it is to us lmfao.
Like, lots of people have beat her, but so far everyone I've seen do it has had to use an incredibly specific build that only works under specific circumstances. "If she uses Dragon Breath turn 1 you have to reset" is in every strategy guide for the fight.
This is a horrifying post to get a laugh react from Savin on. He's about to hardcode her to always open with Dragon Breath bro.
and it will all be your fault. shame on you