Your Gripes With CoC2

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genuine question, i maxxed it out because numbers go up, but what does a 20 look like? what kind if hips and backside is 20??
Does the save editor still say, or did that change in the Javascript version?
Being unable to cast healing powers on people at full hp neuters the usability of heals that include buffs, like Agni's new heal+fire weapon buff power.
On the other side of this, not showing what characters' max hp is clearly enough so you don't have to memorize or save it to a text program every time you level up, change 1's set or change stats with a trainer. That or not letting you heal undamaged characters.
 

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Why isn't there any room for more exposition to help with the world building, like asking more characters for backstories on their races like Cait about catfolk, Azyrran for hornetfolk, Etheryn about boreal elves, Atani for marefolk, etc. Wasted potential. Like, you can't ask characters about their life stories, like knowing how Hretha lost her sight or how Infrith became her apprentice.
 
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Why isn't there any room for more exposition to help with the world building, like asking more characters for backstories on their races like Cait about catfolk, Azyrran for hornetfolk, Atani for marefolk, etc. Wasted potential. Like, you can't ask characters about their life stories, like knowing how Hretha lost her sight or how Infrith became her apprentice.
 

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SnoopSloth

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Why isn't there any room for more exposition to help with the world building, like asking more characters for backstories on their races like Cait about catfolk, Azyrran for hornetfolk, Etheryn about boreal elves, Atani for marefolk, etc. Wasted potential. Like, you can't ask characters about their life stories, like knowing how Hretha lost her sight or how Infrith became her apprentice.
@Nino
Tell me you've played Mass Effect, right? What do you think the player does in between missions?

Bro, wat. o_O


There is plenty of world building and exposition if you read everything. I don't know about you, but finding something out through various bits of information is a lot more enjoyable and rewarding. I like being slowly spoonfed lore versus having it all dumped on me, unless in context there is a benefit for an info dump. And CoC 2 does both, depending on who you talk to.


It's worth mentioning, Cait, Azzy, Ryn, and Atani are all pretty smart gals who would know the history of their people off-hand, not to mention they are all some form of nobility, leader, or royalty, and probably had some form of oral (hehe) and/or formal education. Keep in mind, a good bit of the information from before the Godswar and the fall of Belhar roughly 200 years ago was lost, and society at large is still recovering. Compare the characters you mentioned to, for example, Brint/Brienne. They are slightly educated, grew up learning to fight, offhand, they know where they're from, how they grew up, and any history they might know isn't relevant to them 90% of the time. If you bring Brint/Brienne through the undermountain, they will mention what they know about the tunnels and the city of Khor'minos as it comes up. This fleshes out the world, and gives you reasons to use different companions outside of the game-y reasons. Like Mass Effect, one of the reasons CoC2 is so replayable is all the unique dialogue companions can have for a lot of locations, scenes, and quests.


The answers to both of your questions are findable, Hretha lost her sight genetically, but the visions are a blessing from Lumia. After completing "Shadows Over the Sun" you can speak to Lumia with Arona in the party using the "Companions" option under Lumia's talk menu. In the conversation with Arona and Lumia, Lumia states, "It was no curse or malefic taint that took her (Hretha's) sight, nor your niece's, but a quirk of blood long passed through your family."

Infrith straight up tells you why she became a shaman of Lumia in her "Training" dialogue, she was genetically predisposed to be a shaman of Lumia (no joke, the reason is that she got thicc instead of stronk,) and was given to Hretha as an apprentice by her family. With all this, you have to keep in mind the Kervus have a sort of tribal caste/feudal system with a focus on fighting and a reliance on slavery for a lot of the more 'menial' tasks that keep their society afloat, like farming.

I don't know why you bring up Mass Effect, but a lot of the races in that game are fleshed out over 3 games. And this is the first CoC in Savarra, with the only real carry over from the first game lore-wise being some of the demon and portal stuff and CoC1 champ beating Lethice. Also, I personally rather learn from finding out things more naturally, rather than having an awkward conversation where someone has various info-dumps based on dialogue options. I learned more about the Quarians going to the Flotilla in ME2, than the dialogue with Tali combined with the codex entry on Quarians in ME1.

Also, if you haven't, do the Convocation of Mirrors dry, then go back with a guide and do the best end, it is amazing and one of the quests that turned this from a porn game that's also a RPG, to a RPG that is also a porn game, at least for me.
 
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Ace Hangman

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Who cares about what you were? That's what you are now that counts.
Of course what you were is important. If you grew up as an orc, you will have orcish feelings inside and things an orc would know or have in perspective. If you were born an orc... you probably get dizzy at the thought of a massive longboat, whether you look like a demon now or not. You probably can speak or read orcish, you probably know a thing or two about sailing (presumably you're a Sailgraves orc), or know orcish legends and song and culture and tradition and how to talk to another orc. Sure, another race might also be a Scholar as a background and could theoretically get the same hidden lore or knowledge, but that's neither here nor there.

There comes a point in the game where how you were raised (moreso than just your background as a barbarian or a noble scion) influences what you might know or feel or an insight you might gain because you grew up as a certain race, whether you turned into a bearfolk or a chimera later on. A lot of that stuff might be hidden or behind the scenes, but it's still important; lore and storywise, at least. Not so much that it blocks you from things, but that it might reveal things or even allow you to more easily overcome things.

And yes, orcs are the best, even if I do have batwings, a long prehensile tongue, and a horse tail right now.
 

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Of course what you were is important. If you grew up as an orc, you will have orcish feelings inside and things an orc would know or have in perspective. If you were born an orc... you probably get dizzy at the thought of a massive longboat, whether you look like a demon now or not. You probably can speak or read orcish, you probably know a thing or two about sailing (presumably you're a Sailgraves orc), or know orcish legends and song and culture and tradition and how to talk to another orc. Sure, another race might also be a Scholar as a background and could theoretically get the same hidden lore or knowledge, but that's neither here nor there.

There comes a point in the game where how you were raised (moreso than just your background as a barbarian or a noble scion) influences what you might know or feel or an insight you might gain because you grew up as a certain race, whether you turned into a bearfolk or a chimera later on. A lot of that stuff might be hidden or behind the scenes, but it's still important; lore and storywise, at least. Not so much that it blocks you from things, but that it might reveal things or even allow you to more easily overcome things.

And yes, orcs are the best, even if I do have batwings, a long prehensile tongue, and a horse tail right now.
Ok, you make a valid point.
The thing is (and I don't think I'm the only one doing that), when you'd like to roleplay as a character of another race than the 5 from chargen, that sentence breaks immersion.
 

SnoopSloth

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Ok, you make a valid point.
The thing is (and I don't think I'm the only one doing that), when you'd like to roleplay as a character of another race than the 5 from chargen, that sentence breaks immersion.
A kindred spirit.

It seems it's not going to be addressed since we aren't getting more starting races, and most people don't care about the wording, and anyone outside the devs can't do anything. It makes me spaz when I read it, so it's just starting races for me as well.
 
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Ker0k

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Also, importantly, there are a bunch of checks in the game for your original race. It can be important to remember which you started as so you know which original race checks you'll get.
I see. Thanks for the explanations :)
 

freezerburn68

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I'mma say it cause it needs to be said:

Not every female gotta have a dick gang. Me, and others would rather like our clam bowl without the sausage man. Its fine here and there, but holy fuck man. Should be an icon on the bust to tell you that too.

Also player agency REALLY needs to be doubled down on. I really be hating how I couldn't do anything to prevent Kinu getting married. I know this has been hammered down so many times, but I'mma keep sayin what I'm saying because I'd rather DO something, than sit idly by and watch events I don't like transpire.

Not all marefolk need dicks either man.

Also more villains. Savin, I would like someone that is isn't Kasyrra, demon, cultists, etc. I know you're probably doing that, but Evergreen is suspiciously evil, and we need a good ass plot line other than the main unfinished one.

Sorry if I sound rude, but this is just a rant.
 

orropo

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wait, aren't all the new women characters binary female bodies? and then you have like an option to add the dick no?
 

orropo

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ye its like lower than male characters, you had this gripe i remember, and you(freezerbyrb) were specifically bummed about the lumia northern mino lady for it
 
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orropo

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question, is coc2 a patriarchal universe? id say for every attrotion there is mostly egalitarianism except for tribes like the marepeople where you physically cant have anything but matriarchy for the time
 

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Except for Khor'minos, not really? Kitsune women hold equal/more power then men on average from what I remember, Icy Elves outnumber men 2 to 1 and the Queen seems to be the one that is mostly in charge, Northern Minotaur's women rule over their boys, Orcs follow the "might makes right" and they have no problem having Arona as a chieftain and sending their women to the frontlines, horses are horses, the sharks are ABO coded and so on and so on.

And even Khor could be argued to be less of a patriarchy since they do not mind having women in high positions and having them take arms, but they are the ones that have the strictest view of gender like some people in real world. And I do have to dock points for their King having a female harem and for really segregating the sexes from birth. Yeah, biology and all that and I am not calling it bad, just the most "gender coded" of availed races.
 

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Except for Khor'minos, not really? Kitsune women hold equal/more power then men on average from what I remember, Icy Elves outnumber men 2 to 1 and the Queen seems to be the one that is mostly in charge, Northern Minotaur's women rule over their boys, Orcs follow the "might makes right" and they have no problem having Arona as a chieftain and sending their women to the frontlines, horses are horses, the sharks are ABO coded and so on and so on.

And even Khor could be argued to be less of a patriarchy since they do not mind having women in high positions and having them take arms, but they are the ones that have the strictest view of gender like some people in real world. And I do have to dock points for their King having a female harem and for really segregating the sexes from birth. Yeah, biology and all that and I am not calling it bad, just the most "gender coded" of availed races.
They also specifically have male rulers
 

Karakara

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me personally, dont fancy any congregation thats not egalitarian, matri or patriarchy
Neither do I, in reality. But I can't lie and say that being a matriarch of bunch of moos (preferably ones with modest deriers) doesn't tickle me something firce.

I just do not fancy Khor because I wouldn't want to be a women there. To constraining. And also, 90 percent of their men are not up to my taste.
 

Lostname475

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take away slavery, rape and pillage(which would happen naturally with the marching of fimes ig) and yea i think they have the best setting
I meant specifically the gender equality, not the rest of it. Sailgrave orcs are probably my least favourite group in the setting after demons