Your Gripes With CoC2

[Tarnakus]

Does toughness factor into attribute checks for scenes?

Yes, it does. I found 51 hits on toughnessRange in the code - though probably not all of them are in scenes.
Some examples:
Drifa sex scene -> At the end, you either become exhausted or listen to her and kiss her.
Thalia sex scene -> She tackles/hugs you - the air gets knocked out of you, or you manage to outmaneuver her.
Obviously, it all depends on the author - some will use it more, some less. I’d also point out that the majority of these checks - not just toughness - aren’t very noticeable unless you have a lot of characters or inspect the code directly.

 

[orropo]

Yeah. I mean, maybe it's just me, but for all of the fact that Gwyneth is the baby crazy caretaker of the majority of our kids makes me wonder why we haven't been able to marry her yet... I find her kinda hard to get a read on as to how much she even likes "us", as opposed to just being pregnant and getting belly rubs. Ironically, I find Garret to seem more actively affectionate. There's just something kinda closed off about Gwyneth.

... Mind, she does spend most days taking care of like several hundred babies mostly on her own, so can't exactly blame her. More just noting it. lol

Though on a related note, I do find it surprising Gwyneth and Kiyoko don't get some interactions with each other. I mean, Kiyoko might be all about the dick and not exactly sociable to non-kitsune, but the two of them in particular seem to have enough overlap of interest to cause either some friendly or competitive interactions.

well gwyn doesnt like YOU gwyn likes that when she closes her eyes you smell like her dad, and its the closest her biology and the town will allow her to get to sleeping with her dad

 

[rkinght5]

Garret

First my personal bias out of the way, I find him immature and undeserving of the champ. I dont find him lovable. I think of him as a cinderblock. He doesnt have a heart to give.

If his appeal is letting someone as pathetic as him dom, then.. I guess,

that being said, this is all from my perspective, my opinion. The hard dom content he has is debasement, and its done wrong, or very amateur. The appeal of debasement is it fulfills the subs need to provide an outlet for the doms desires to beat down on someone. Different from humiliation, focus of humility. I may have missed it but I didnt find any desire like that from him, and if i did, then there definitely isnt any payoff(of his desires). The champ has to ask for it -the champ debasing themself- their own desires, making the exchange one sided, as Garths desires arent truly explored, beyond simply getting his rocks off. Its as if hes apathetic to the neediness of the champ and only humors them, to get his rocks off. As if his content is rough because hes stereotyped as a big alpha tough guy and big alpha tough guys must fuck bitches. But bitches like big alpha tough guys because.. theyyy dont. they like the power and safety and security they [can] provide and are willing to put up with whatever, because they dont know their own worth(bitches). Garth provides none of that, the champ is the one who saves him, and he spends the rest of the game at his parents. and if all of that is the point, then he sucks.

Yeah, man I hear you on this one. I think this may be a symptom of the game being just shy of 10 years old and a lot of the older scenes not matching the quality or having the nuance of most of the newer ones because now the writers have a decade of experience under their belts. Doesn't excuse it or invalidate how you feel about it, though. Just a rationalization

 

[Ace Hangman]

Garret

First my personal bias out of the way, I find him immature and undeserving of the champ. I dont find him lovable. I think of him as a cinderblock. He doesnt have a heart to give.

If his appeal is letting someone as pathetic as him dom, then.. I guess,

I think that's intentional. He certainly isn't my cup of tea (because I am not into men), but he's never portrayed as being anything else. From the minute he's introduced to how Garth describes him, he's a cinderblock. A hunky, muscular beefcake of a lupine. I think maybe initially he had more growth planned (just guessing). He starts out, chafing under his father's control, not having his mother around because of the 'situation', and having to look out for Gwyn (all while having his fellow townspeople accuse him of fathering children with her).

You see him start to evolve in the West Bank, even if it is as Strongest Man in Savarra personality, and he matures a little in the fortress mission for River, and eventually decides he wants to head out and find his own work (hasn't happened, but it is a decision he makes). I think the plan was to actually have him evolve a bit more, but he's always been presented as the beat-your-chest, have sex with those interested type (I mean, he's not like coming onto customers or approaching Champ). If someone wants to have sex (or even a relationship), it's not like his personality isn't out there and obvious.

 

[toey]

I think that's intentional.

Although Im not fond of it, my problem isnt his personality, Ive had my share of this type. Theres always something to compensate for it. Feeling pretty being arm candy of a powerful man, the sex, the euphoric feeling of being daddys good girl, just listening to him and being a good girlfriend. But once the compensator is gone, so is my interest in the relationship. Garrets main compensatior is the prospective of the above listed, but fails on all fronts, in my opinion. Its been explained why. Its impossible enough to salvage something worth keeping with a cinderblock, but in a game, its up to the writers. I literally picture a cinderblock on the ground I have to fall onto for pleasure. Its just not giving

 

[Ultra Chad]

well gwyn doesnt like YOU gwyn likes that when she closes her eyes you smell like her dad, and its the closest her biology and the town will allow her to get to sleeping with her dad

That's only for lupine champs.

 

[orropo]

That's only for lupine champs.

no you smell like her dad always like always

 

[CboyC95]

I'm still bit upset we don't have a proper Ranger class.

 

[Tide Hunter]

I'm still bit upset we don't have a proper Ranger class.

I would prefer it, but it's close enough if you're a thief using powers taught by Leorah.

 

[Nino]

I'm still bit upset we don't have a proper Ranger class.

It's not an official class, but all of the parts are there and easily accessible
I agree that it would be nice if all of the relevant powers and items could be grouped under an official flag in-game
Usually, if I see the Generic symbol (the green four-pointed compass one) I often assume it's Hunter style

 

[DragonDaemon]

Honestly I've been noticing lately that we've been receiving more and more custom sprites of companions in specific combat sets, and yet despite all the work put in to making those pieces of art, they're relegated to the bench as appearance side pieces in like one string of dialogue at the tavern. Otherwise it's like those portraits don't exist - and no, I don't count the combat portraits because all you see is the face and not the rest of the outfit.

I'm not asking to put more work on folks like Moira into making various alts of the outfits in situations like for characters that can have appearance variations, I just want to be able to have the standard conversation or interaction appearance be relevant to whatever set a companion may be using at a given time when possible.

 

[Nino]

Honestly I've been noticing lately that we've been receiving more and more custom sprites of companions in specific combat sets, and yet despite all the work put in to making those pieces of art, they're relegated to the bench as appearance side pieces in like one string of dialogue at the tavern. Otherwise it's like those portraits don't exist - and no, I don't count the combat portraits because all you see is the face and not the rest of the outfit.

I'm not asking to put more work on folks like Moira into making various alts of the outfits in situations like for characters that can have appearance variations, I just want to be able to have the standard conversation or interaction appearance be relevant to whatever set a companion may be using at a given time when possible.

I agree
If there's one thing that Savin should really copy from Fen, it's the bust system from TiTS
That was always what held CoC1 back

 

[valk42]

cgs only ever play in one situation, that's normal. you're treating them like busts when the categorically are not. i've enjoyed the uptick in set cgs, please do not complain them away

 

[DragonDaemon]

cgs only ever play in one situation, that's normal. you're treating them like busts when the categorically are not. i've enjoyed the uptick in set cgs, please do not complain them away

no ones saying we don't want them, we just want to be able to see them more often rather than a single isolated dialogue option in the tavern

 

[Lostname475]

That non-con is a requirement to meet viviane and there's no way to properly call her out for it

 

[Ultra Chad]

To be fair that was a dream so it did not really happen.

 

[Shgon Dunstan]

To be fair that was a dream so it did not really happen.

Eh, it was still pretty vivid and willfully inflicted. If complaint there be, it's hardly groundless.

Mind, the setting can at times seem to have a bit of a jumbled and inconsistent stance on such issues.

 

[Lostname475]

To be fair that was a dream so it did not really happen.

She does directly reference doing it though. So it happened as much as kiyokos sex scenes before freeing her did

 

[Papum]

(realised this was in the wrong thread)

Probably only the poison stacks gained from Miasma being able to stack with normal poisons stacks would be an nice one timed burst with Toxic Shock (the stack duration could also be increased from 2 rounds to 3 rounds just to cancel some bosses '3 against your 1 round' so to be able to use Toxic Shock quikly afterwards again).
And/or the poison stack duration from her 'Silverthorn Bow' could be augmented to 4 rounds because like was mentioned above some bosses can have 3 rounds before an companion can act again, that way the stacks always run out and renders Toxic Shock's special poison combination ability moot against such bosses.
Yet the Earthward one is still kinda of an strange Power for an damage Set, probably could be changed to Shadow Stance (seems fitting for an subterfuge themed playstyle) or something entirely new.

 

[Papum]

I personally think that Cait's 'Vestal Raiment' has an too slow threat build up in comparison to others, and by so a lot of the times Cait falls behind in the initial/mid battle in threat due to heavy burst/damage dealers and only catching up mid/late battle.

 

[Papum]

Wanted to ask if the Astrida power Obsidian Aegis could receive some small love for Evasion tanking based builds aswell.
It currently already adds 10 of Armor, Focus and Ward but for an evasion tanking based build that doesn't stack much of mostly Armor or Ward (yet every little bit helps, but only by accumulating an high amount of the latter's does such tank builds work fine) that doesn't help for such builds that would love to go Astrida and Evasion tanking aswell.
Probably because it has an already inbuilt spell avoidance mechanism the 10 Ward could be switched to 10 Evasion?
Or change the 10 armor to 10 evasion, due to in the sense of in an battle scenario against an magical archtype one would normally not need much armor (because most magics just put up the middle finger against it) but more flexibility/agility to keep dodging the magical projectiles.
And in game i think that evasion also helps avoide damage from AOE sources, i think magical sources included.

 

[Papum]

Have an sort of improved casting added to the Powers (code) that target party members with combat buffs individually.
For ex.:
Viviane's Elemental Fury to cast mostly unto herself unless the highest threat value member in the party is very close to her threat value, and if she has the highest threat value she casts it unto the second in line wich usually will be the tank (the last part probably will never happen to her in that set due to her usage of Obscured, but remains as an ideia reference to companion sets in wich it could happen).
or
Kiyoko's Karmic Retribution to cast alway's on the party member with the highest threat value.
etc. ... .

 

[Tarnakus]

My long-time gripe → inconsistent in-world and in-scene pregnancy checks.

First offense: Characters' knowledge about pregnancy varies between scenes without the announcement playing out. Clear example is Hretha → one scene she knows (Get Ridden), during the sleep with Infrith she doesn't know it. All before the official announcement scene.

Second one, even more annoying → harsh locks on scenes. Here are many scenes: Infrith Quickie, Hretha and Ragnild threesome (cuz of alcohol), Hretha Ylvid ritual, Boreal Elfs and Karithea. Sure, mechanically they're pregnant, but nobody knows, so why do they act like they know and later they "announce" the surprise? The problem is I then need to pick and choose which scene I want to watch in between a long pause (for the pregnancy time, ofc).

In general, the gripe boils down to behind the scene mechanics bleeding into narrative. I assume the reason is lack of standardization in writing/coding around pregnancy and mistakes.

 

[Lostname475]

That the option to not kill or fuck the alraune was added literally the day after I ended up dominating her in my newest save.

 

[TalRasha]

And now, intentionally half-baked route that was basically made with contempt for the people that expected corruption of champions 2 to be an actual sequel, was deleted. Who would've thought. Jesus fucking Christ, and I was the one who defended Savin…? Well my mistake, I've learned a lesson from this.
I suggest you (let's imagine that my opinion means something) to rename this title into "Cucking of Champions" (since there is a little too many sharing content). You may wipe out "2", this would be the first (and hopefully the last) of it's series.

 

[Lostname475]

Well, it got removed mostly because no one wrote any content for it.

 

[Four Imps Zero Brain Cell]

Well, it got removed mostly because no one wrote any content for it.

I kind of feel a lot of corruption stuff is facing that issue.

 

[Lostname475]

Unfortunately yeah, there's a huge dearth of people who want to write corruption stuff.

 

[Razzmot]

Well, it got removed mostly because no one wrote any content for it.

Ah yes, because this game famously has every one of its character completed with content going beyond the first interaction you have with them.
Looks like we'll have to delete all the following characters then :
Gwyneth, Eryka, Ihzalti, Rroljar, Starhome, half of the kitsune, 80% of the shopkeepers, and hawkthorn gym, a shame really.

 

[Lostname475]

Eryka has more content than her initial interaction. Idk shit about kitsune so I can't comment there. I would be perfectly fine with rroljar getting removed. The others all provide a service and therefore have purpose