Your gripes with CoC II
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That... Actually sounds like it'd be a really fun and unique character and project for a game like this.
At some point your reputation has piqued the interest of some rando in the marches, and they send a letter to the Frosthound and you become pen pals. Space out the letter timings so you actually have to wait between each one to build that tension and your expectations just like how this works in real life. Make some of the player's letters have choices that influence the type of relationship that develops as you write more letters back and forth. Then when you finally meet, sparks fly!
Damn. That does sound like a blast to write, at least to me. Maybe someday I will. lol
This is a cool idea that's sorta already in the game. With the twin rings event when the player rescues Koko the catgirl from slavers she does end up sending the champion a letter later thanking them for their help and everything. The only issue is that she directly mentions that she's going to get married to her boyfriend but beyond that its basically what you're describing. It'd only take a small change in the writing to allow for Koko to be that recurring pen pal character.
On a more comedic note it'd be hilarious if the contents of the letter changed based on silly mode or not. Like if it was turned on the letter could be written in that really old fashioned style. Be like "To my dearest, it has been a fortnight since I last heard from you and my bosom heaves with the weight of your absence..."
I was referring to courting someone through letters before you meet for the first time, period. While her letter is a sweet little one-off thank you for saving her, as far as further letters with her... I don't really see the point of having a pen pal in a porn game that isn't amorous in some way. And just changing her to be single would still ultimately limit you to her and her initial interaction and meeting, which sort of defeats the rest of my mused idea entirely. Basically all the magic of this is not knowing who or what your pen pal is when you start.
In theory the choices you'd make over the series of letters would define the character (perhaps even their gender) and relationship into one of several archetypes like the casual flame, mutual romantic, needy sub, or the (imo overrepresented) dauntless dom. It'd be a hell of a lot of work though.
As I finished writing this, I literally sat on posting it thinking about the idea more for like 15 minutes. Ugh... Fine. I like the overall idea too much to just bury it away. I suppose I can at least start solid concepting this, get a general idea of what the letters will say, and see how far I can get on it before I fully commit to writing and submitting it. No promises, but I'll at least try. lol
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Godspeed to you, noble letter enthusiast. I shall be watching your progress with great interest, because you've actually sold me on the idea as well.
One thing that has been getting a bit of an annoyance issue is that there seem to be a bit of a disconnect between various writers as to what constitutes a big or even massive dick in this setting. In COC1 that was for the most part a lot more consistent I felt, that "normal" sizes (4'' to 12'') were basically small as far as that game was concerned and you'd have to go into "improbable body ratio" levels to actually get to huge, but it seems very disjointed in this game between different writers. Some seem to think that Lyla, Eryka, Evelyn and Arona (7'' to 12'' all of them) have "massive" dicks or even "titanic girths" and similar, and other instances seem to more accept that those sizes, while huge for our own mundane world are actually normal to small for this hyper fantasy world and it's Brint (20 inches or so) who has the massive dick. For comparison, the PC in this game can attain an almost 50'' "conjoined twin" schlong potentially through a combination of well hung and centaur pack shenanigans.
Making the situation more silly is that there are a few scenes that don't even bother looking for sizes. Majority of the game, if you show up with a stupid-level dick the NPC will remark on it and then there will be a mention of you not being able to fit it all in, which is great and realistic for anything not magical like a demon or at a minimum Minotaur or Centaur sized. But there's also a portion of scenes that don't care at all, for example I did Lyla's dom cowgirl scene right now, and she never cared that I had x4 times of dick size on her and immediately went mashing hips together, despite realistically speaking that would leave her literally impaled when considering her torso length. Other scenes will do both, and remark that there's no way you can get any further or have the NPC protest, and then knot them anyway at the orgasm. And while Brint or even Kasyrra will remark in scenes if you are getting to stupid levels yourself, others like Meira (24'') will always think she's bigger even if you are very close to twice her size.
It's a bit annoying and disjointed in all, and it's left me most of the time just "settling" for a normal 10-12'' for most characters and then go up to 16-18'' max for "gigantic" characters, but then there's instances like Frost Giants blowjob scene (greys out if you aren't stupid level) or Marefolk Shaman scene (does basically SPH on anything but stupid levels) and a few others that does take into account or even require massive sizes, just further adding to the annoyance. By now I really wish we could have a magic "one size fits all" dick (which going by TF description tentacle dicks should be, but aren't, unless you post-TF pick up size increases they are 12'' and will be treated as such with no regard for that fancy TF description in majority of scenes) that would be "big enough" for all scenes that matter. Fuck, I'd be willing to undertake a massive, grueling and expensive quest for Evergreen if that's what it took.
Making the situation more silly is that there are a few scenes that don't even bother looking for sizes. Majority of the game, if you show up with a stupid-level dick the NPC will remark on it and then there will be a mention of you not being able to fit it all in, which is great and realistic for anything not magical like a demon or at a minimum Minotaur or Centaur sized. But there's also a portion of scenes that don't care at all, for example I did Lyla's dom cowgirl scene right now, and she never cared that I had x4 times of dick size on her and immediately went mashing hips together, despite realistically speaking that would leave her literally impaled when considering her torso length. Other scenes will do both, and remark that there's no way you can get any further or have the NPC protest, and then knot them anyway at the orgasm. And while Brint or even Kasyrra will remark in scenes if you are getting to stupid levels yourself, others like Meira (24'') will always think she's bigger even if you are very close to twice her size.
It's a bit annoying and disjointed in all, and it's left me most of the time just "settling" for a normal 10-12'' for most characters and then go up to 16-18'' max for "gigantic" characters, but then there's instances like Frost Giants blowjob scene (greys out if you aren't stupid level) or Marefolk Shaman scene (does basically SPH on anything but stupid levels) and a few others that does take into account or even require massive sizes, just further adding to the annoyance. By now I really wish we could have a magic "one size fits all" dick (which going by TF description tentacle dicks should be, but aren't, unless you post-TF pick up size increases they are 12'' and will be treated as such with no regard for that fancy TF description in majority of scenes) that would be "big enough" for all scenes that matter. Fuck, I'd be willing to undertake a massive, grueling and expensive quest for Evergreen if that's what it took.
Honestly, that'd be my dream setup: Nuki Nuts with two Nuki-Knotty Doggy Dongs that just old up into the body out of sex scenes, and be as large as they need to be when it's time
Dick size is just like any other fetish. Some authors are into it or willing to facilitate it and others aren't. We're not going to bully writers into making every NPC a hyper dick size fetishist and we're not going to bully hyper out of the game entirely so that things work on a more real-world scale. Nor are most writers going to exclude hyperdongus characters from sex scenes (especially because in a lot of cases that would force them to write special alternate sex scenes just for hyper characters so that nobody is fully excluded from sex with their character).
Characters that aren't designed for hyper fetishism will ignore it. Characters that are designed for it, won't. How is any other solution better?
Well, I agree it would be very nice if there were some way to have a dick you could adjust the size of with magic or a special implant to access scenes that are either hyper-only or hyper-exclusionary without the trouble of running two or more separate saves to split the difference. I mean I'd like to be able to have sex with the Jotun Female but I'm not getting a dick the size of Godzilla's big toe just for one sex scene with a no-name NPC. No thanks.
Pretty much this yes, and honestly if writers aren't into it, err... I'm trying to think of a way to put it more diplomatically and failing, so I'll go the other way; why not just simply leave it out to begin with, or cap penis size at a point where you get a good medium? Because this half-arsing is what's bothering me, not individual scenes. Either commit to something, or leave it out for some other game or medium. Like COC1, which wasn't afraid actually of telling either hypers to go fuck themselves rather than ruin some too-small NPC like Amily and blocking off that content in the process, or on the other hand tell them to come back when they grow up properly like Edryn. I'm good with either way, as long as consistency is shown. Take the Lyla cowgirl scene, if Fleep isn't into hyper content just have Lyla laugh at any dick past XX'' and make a joke about a third leg and tell you there's no way you are ruining her perfect pussy with that thing, telling you to go shrink it down and then either ending encounter or going back to scene selection. And that would be fine, and would be like a sentence worth of extra content fitting her character.
To be clear, I'm not really into hyper content either, when reading sex stories and similar in other mediums if it gets beyond a certain point I actually just nope out in disbelief most of the time. I'm doing it in this game both because I can almost as a gag, because of the fantastical nature of elements in the game, and because of those specific scenes that call for it. But if it's there at least try for some type of consistency if you want the player to maintain any sort of "immersion" if that is even a thing.
EDIT: And also just to be absolutely clear in case any perceived tone makes it seem otherwise, this is a gripe, as per the title of this thread, and an annoyance, as per what I said in my first post, not much more. It's by no means a deal breaker in any way, it's literally just an annoyance I have had for a while, that's it. When it comes down to it I'm good with overlooking it as it is, I'm just wishing I didn't have to.
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TiTS does scene gating based on size, and I think CoC2 is much better for not doing that. If the game would be more consistent if players were made to do dick-admin before launching into sex with a character, would it be worthwhile? Call it half-arsed if you want, but as CoC2 is set up, players can have the dick size they want (up to an insane hyper point) and have sex with any character they want. To change the system in search of consistency would be adding more work for the developers, more work for anyone who wanted to write for the game, and more non-sexy admin for the players. At which point adding a one-size-fits-all penis would be a solution for a problem that didn't exist until they tried to standardise dick sizes.
While I agree against the possibility of gating via size, I do agree with Sacremas that there does seem to be some inconsistencies between writers when it comes to size, which can be quite irritating. As well as the lack of acknowledgement of the pc's size in some instances.
Also, not sure why there would need to be any change for the sake of consistency, could just add more variables for scenes, like what William often does with his writing - which I really appreciate.
Although, suppose that's where the inconsistencies come from, it is more work, and not every writer wants to undertake that for every scene - would be nice though for specific instances where it makes sense to do so.
Now i imagine the conversation Savin is having with writers:
Savin: "People have been complaining about inconsistencies with how penises of varying size and girth are referred to. So today we will establish standardized system of penile classification based on girth and length. Starting from tiny and ending with monstrous."
Savin: "People have been complaining about inconsistencies with how penises of varying size and girth are referred to. So today we will establish standardized system of penile classification based on girth and length. Starting from tiny and ending with monstrous."
Because this game is still an inheritor to CoC and TiTS' basis as a TF-ing game.
We won't be doing that again in the future, but it's a thing in this game and the happy medium we have works well enough for most people. Very few to no NPCs restrict you having sex with them based on the size of your junk, but there's a few unique interactions for the extremes up or down. You really can't have your cake and eat it too on this sorta thing.
We actually HAVE a standardized set of size brackets used all throughout the game -- [pc.cockSNVH] automatically uses a consistent size set and there's probably hundreds if not thousands of use-cases throughout.
This is an anti-gripe. I really like how CoCII does not gate behind size. Additionally, I like how CoCII occasionally mentions the PCs background.
Also Komari preg when?
Also Komari preg when?
I believe she could just as easily be classified under both of those categories.
Really, the only problem I have with how this game handles dick size is that Etheryn still has size limits. I don't know how much capacity she takes at maximum training, but the fact that she's otherwise one of my favorite characters means I feel forced to limit my character's cocks to 12 inches. Even if I'm making a super-corrupted dark knight character, I still want to be able to fit inside her. I've heard that newer scenes for her ignore the size limit, but I want to be able to fuck her ass without torturing her a bunch before she's stretchy enough to take it.
Literally everything written for her after her initial content ignores the whole 'anal capacity' thing that was initially planned for her. And Savin has said that the limitations in her initial content are going away entirely once her big expansion drops.
EDIT: Or y'know, just look one post down. xD
EDIT: Or y'know, just look one post down. xD
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Her sex scenes and mechanics are all getting an all-game revision dropping with her quest. That mechanic is finally getting the bullet.
Yes, the anal capacity problem goes away after the big expansion, yes, yes..
An alternative to the torture that I have used on my kinder Biggus Dickus, is to have Cait take care of the initial blue balls incident/reveal, then do all non-penetrative stuff to satisfy her until you can sleep with her, at some point when her confidence is up she wants to ride the stallion in one of the sleep scenes even if she's technically still a virgin, this will ignore her size limits (I've been able to fit her with a 16'' character at the least, I haven't tried it with one of the truly extremes), and that will stretch her out in the process. If that scene never procs (much more likely if both you and her have blue balls, so try to do it after doing the Cloister 3 days thing, or after doing a skill training) then once you get to Winter City and have fought Alissa (and possibly the Wraith if you romance Kas) then on the second floor when you trigger the lingerie posing scene, that scene ignores her size limits entirely and will stretch her out fine, it also becomes one of her regular scenes so even if you go up later, you can use that scene to keep gaping her. When the Cait + Ryn threesome scene is available in her sex scene (presuming both characters are available ofc, like at the Frosthound) that indicates she can take you normally with no issues.
I think you've just made a more detailed plan for fucking someone in the butt than I've ever seen someone make for calculating weapon combo damages and/or crit rates.
I tip my hat to you.
I think at that point you're best off biting the bullet and doing [Monstrously].
Honestly I enjoy giving Etheryn tender buttfucking and lingerie fucking too much to ever go hyper, at least right now.
CasualAntlerEnjoyer
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I have discovered that Annika can actually go for an antler fondle in one scene, which I completely missed in my initial glance over because I thought she was aiming for more head pats.
And I am slightly disappointed that the champ does not either slap the winged melf's face in surprise, shock and outrage as such an uncouth maneuver, daring to reach for greatness without even visually admiring them first
Or just break out into a spontaneous orgasm at the moment of contact, utterly flooding the palace with sexual fluids of cataclysmic volume. The architectural defilement so complete and total that both Lumia and Mallach leave the lands forever in shame after handing over their titles.
Tis a terrible thing, truly.
And I am slightly disappointed that the champ does not either slap the winged melf's face in surprise, shock and outrage as such an uncouth maneuver, daring to reach for greatness without even visually admiring them first
Or just break out into a spontaneous orgasm at the moment of contact, utterly flooding the palace with sexual fluids of cataclysmic volume. The architectural defilement so complete and total that both Lumia and Mallach leave the lands forever in shame after handing over their titles.
Tis a terrible thing, truly.
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