Your gripes with CoC II

[Wint3rRyd3r]

The undermountain will be the death of me. Hordes of hobgoblins that are suspiciously powerful for level 4 enemies, tanky imps that apparently care for other imps and keep splitting damage, and those turbo buffed stone elementals. And since the only encounters so far seem to be enemies, it makes exploring or moving around a nightmare. The absolute second the proper waystones are added, I am never going into the undermountain again. The Chargers suck at their jobs. I'm probably gonna have to wait about this and the rift quests until the level cap is boosted so my stats can be better prepared. At least there are still rift skills I need to copy.

 

[SH60]

The undermountain will be the death of me. Hordes of hobgoblins that are suspiciously powerful for level 4 enemies, tanky imps that apparently care for other imps and keep splitting damage, and those turbo buffed stone elementals. And since the only encounters so far seem to be enemies, it makes exploring or moving around a nightmare. The absolute second the proper waystones are added, I am never going into the undermountain again. The Chargers suck at their jobs. I'm probably gonna have to wait about this and the rift quests until the level cap is boosted so my stats can be better prepared. At least there are still rift skills I need to copy.

Really because I think I resolve nuked both the hobgoblins and imps with my charmer champion.

 

[Kingu2]

The undermountain will be the death of me. Hordes of hobgoblins that are suspiciously powerful for level 4 enemies, tanky imps that apparently care for other imps and keep splitting damage, and those turbo buffed stone elementals. And since the only encounters so far seem to be enemies, it makes exploring or moving around a nightmare. The absolute second the proper waystones are added, I am never going into the undermountain again. The Chargers suck at their jobs. I'm probably gonna have to wait about this and the rift quests until the level cap is boosted so my stats can be better prepared. At least there are still rift skills I need to copy.

agreed. right now it's not worth it to go down there even to farm. it's not that the enemies are that tough to where I have trouble beating them, it's just that the fights take so long because the imp shankers take so long to die and the goblins have way more party members than there supposed to, making fights that would would take 1-3 turns take 4-7. and like you said the lack of not combat encounters makes getting anywhere a pain in the ass.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Really because I think I resolve nuked both the hobgoblins and imps with my charmer champion.

I mainly use a warrior and occasionally a black mage so I don't really use tease combat. I don't have any reliable tease skills or stats for it and using dancer cait and bimbazzy will put me at a disadvantage unless I commit to becoming their healslut.

agreed. right now it's not worth it to go down there even to farm. it's not that the enemies are that tough to where I have trouble beating them, it's just that the fights take so long because the imp shankers take so long to die and the goblins have way more party members than there supposed to, making fights that would would take 1-3 turns take 4-7. and like you said the lack of not combat encounters makes getting anywhere a pain in the ass.

The enemies take so long to deal with and have no worthwhile drops. If they weren't all so tanky and hard to hit and so many it wouldn't be as bad. It's just combat, followed by combat, with a chaser of combat. I know it's early and more will be added and possibly rebalanced, but the enemy stats combined with being outnumbered makes it take too long to get anywhere. I'm beginning to think I need to put it and the rift off and pray that the next public patch includes the ability to raise my numbers.

 

[The Observer]

Like I said, there will be no level cap raise until mid-act 2 at the earliest.

 

[Xenosium]

This one is a truly minor gripe, but what determines the Champion's race doesn't seem to be very accurate.

I was playing a Wyld Elf with cat eyes, got cow legs from barley tea, a minotaur shlong from Minoblood Wine, then an equine vagina from Kasyrra at the Palace of Ice.

Now my journal claims I'm a Centaur. I still only have two legs.
I only even noticed because after the Kasyrra encounter I got the Donut Steele achievement on Steam for changing my race.

Ultimately it has zero impact on my gameplay but it was still a confusing moment.

 

[WolframL]

Caveat here that I don't know the ins and outs of the race code but I'm guessing that it's working as intended and you've just found an edge case. Your legs are digitigrade but the ones from Milk Tea are bovine, you don't have the other body traits that would make you a Marefolk (furred skin, muzzled face, equine ears/arms/legs), you're not a Minotaur (because you have a vagina) and you're not a Cowgirl (because you have a penis), hence it shunts you to Centaur.

Note that you will never get four legs in this game; 'taur and naga bodies aren't supported because it makes things so much easier when the writers don't have to account for those.

 

[Xenosium]

I feel like Centaur shouldn't be in the player code then since having the four legged horse body is mandatory to BE a centaur.
Though considering the wacky stuff I had to go through to be classified as one, it's probably so buried it rarely comes up. It doesn't impact gameplay anyways.

I really just find it funny I was still called a Wyld Elf Hermaphrodite up until I got an equine vagina, THEN I became a centaur.
Why was the horse vagina the key factor in making me a centaur when it was the only horse trait I ever got?

 

[PhantomFAK]

Like I said, there will be no level cap raise until mid-act 2 at the earliest.

Looking forward to eventually becoming level 8: I managed to snag two of Kas' three skills during the optional curbstomp she lays on you.

 

[WolframL]

I really just find it funny I was still called a Wyld Elf Hermaphrodite up until I got an equine vagina, THEN I became a centaur.
Why was the horse vagina the key factor in making me a centaur when it was the only horse trait I ever got?

You also have a horse penis, which means two traits that put you in the 'something equine' category (neither of which is your Wyld Mark) and that was probably enough to bump you out of the parameters for 'Elf', but for the reasons I mentioned you have traits that disqualify you from any of the more obvious classifications. Like I said, it's probably an edge case.

 

[Tide Hunter]

you're not a Minotaur (because you have a vagina) and you're not a Cowgirl (because you have a penis)

I can guarantee from personal experience that having both a cock and a pussy doesn't lock you out of being considered either. I had a character which had every cowgirl trait from Bovum Sherry, and also a massive horse schlong and balls from Mino Wine. The character was considered a cowgirl. However, I wanted the character to be a minotaur, since cowgirls can't upgrade strength on level up while minotaurs can. So I gave the character fur, and that was enough to shift her from being considered a cowgirl to being considered a minotaur.

 

[Xenosium]

There's probably going to be a handful of niche cases like mine since due to the nature of rampant transformations, you can easily turn yourself into a complete abomination that defies proper definition. I think my character most reasonably should be considered either still a Wyld Elf with a bottom half that just does its own thing, or a Cowgirl, because 2/3rds of my transformations were cow/bull lower halves.

My confusion came down to why Centaur ended up being chosen because as loose as the relation between Cowgirls and Minotaurs is (Is it a female Minotaur or its own thing), Centaurs mandate four legs. If the Champion can't even get four legs, why was it an option?

I'd be genuinely interested in seeing the part of the code that determines race just because it has to keep track of so many potential shenanigans.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Because chimaera are the abominations usually, and satyrs are more related to goats than cows or horses which is why you get labeled a centaur for some reason rather than... a satyr.
I have that issue a lot myself, when I don't want fuzzy Leothran nuts or a black Leothran twat so the game labels my PC a manticore despite not having the tail, wings or a mane.

 

[Xenosium]

Because chimaera are the abominations usually, and satyrs are more related to goats than cows or horses which is why you get labeled a centaur for some reason rather than... a satyr.
I have that issue a lot myself, when I don't want fuzzy Leothran nuts or a black Leothran twat so the game labels my PC a manticore despite not having the tail, wings or a mane.

Wouldn't I just be a Minotaur/Cowgirl or chimeric Wyld Elf then? For all intents and purposes I am a normal Wyld Elf from the waist up and a hermaphrodite cow from the waist down. Although, I don't think I have a tail either.

I don't normally touch transformations so dipping into all these crazy combos is entirely new ground for me. This happened on my side character, where I'm more liberal with messing around and don't care what happens to me.

 

[GEESE]

I haven't had any difficulty with the undermountain, save for a single time where an elemental chained a stun into two crits. However, while the imp fight isnt hard, its super tedious; with a healer and up to three units that force damage to spread out while chaining disarming attacks on my only dps. The imps wont win, or even get close, but they will take 5 minutes of my time as my team slowly chips them all down.
Would be nice if there was a cooldown on being disarmed, like there is with stun or knockdowns, being forced to resort to switching a useful skill for a tail wack or something feels really bad.

 

[Squirrelwagon]

For all intents and purposes I am a normal Wyld Elf from the waist up and a hermaphrodite cow from the waist down.

That'd be why you're being counted as a Centaur, then; if you're (mostly) human or elfin from the waist up, but have specific traits from the waist down, then you're a non-tauric centaur. Which is a bit of mind bend, for sure, but I'm not sure what you call a being that's similar to a faun or satyr but has cow traits rather than goat/sheep traits, or even horse traits.

 

[Xenosium]

But a Centaur is supposed to be a full, entire horse from the waist down. Not only am I missing two of the four legs, but most of my traits aren't even equine, they are bovine. A centaur without either a horse bottom or four legs just isn't a centaur.

I was going to say based on the classic definition of Minotaur, "Half human, half bull", that's what I should be, but that classic Greek example was also the TOP half of a bull and the lower half of a man, which is the inverse of what I have right now.

There are Wyld Elves in-game that have close to what I do, that is, a furry lower half or an equine penis.

 

[Tide Hunter]

as loose as the relation between Cowgirls and Minotaurs is (Is it a female Minotaur or its own thing)

So, a fun thing about this game's lore is that there are two different minotaur types, along with their partners. The minotaurs we see in game are such that males are classic minotaurs, with muzzled faces and fur, except also they have bovine legs (but hey, the cowgirls do too). The cowgirls, however, are their female partners, and while they have bovine legs, tails, ears, and horns, they have a humanoid face rather than an anthro face. This is because of some interesting lore fuckery, where there are actually also female classical minotaurs, but they live south with cowboy-esque males, who have humanoid faces while the females have muzzles. Their ancestors basically just liked to fuck people with human faces rather than muzzles, so they split along the sexes, formed different nations, and their humanoid partners evolved/mixed with them to also have some bovine traits over time while still lacking muzzles.

But anyways, what we see in game, without looking at lore, are muzzled mino males and flat faced female cowgirls. In terms of the race parser, they're entirely different. As I mentioned, since the game ties what you can upgrade on level-up to race, and this changes if you change races, being a cowgirl (having mostly bovine traits, but lacking a muzzle, fur, and I guess also a horsecock) means different things can be upgraded than if you do have fur and a horsecock (one or two traits probably optional for determining what the game sees you as).

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Their ancestors basically just liked to fuck people with human faces rather than muzzles

Even the furry and anthro characters understand that muzzles aren't good.

Monster girls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anthros
Brienne>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brint

In short, reject furry and embrace people with animal features.

 

[Xenosium]

I looked into the difference between cows and horses just to try and better understand my own conundrum.

What I found out is that bull penises look NOTHING like equine ones, to a significant degree. So apparently those minotaur ancestors also much preferred horsecock to the traditional "inject and get it done" bullcock. In fact, if I read the material right, bulls just stick it in, instantly nut, and then move on. When you give a female sapience and not just sentience I guess they don't find their boyfriend being a one-pump-chump to be very enjoyable.

I'd post the medical diagrams of the genitals but people can look it up on their own if they are interested in cow dicks.

 

[Alypia]

When you give a female sapience and not just sentience I guess they don't find their boyfriend being a one-pump-chump to be very enjoyable.

Charming.

But yes, the shape of a horsecock is relatively popular and the shape of a bullcock is definitely not.

 

[SomeNobody]

Even the furry and anthro characters understand that muzzles aren't good.

Monster girls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anthros
Brienne>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brint

In short, reject furry and embrace people with animal features.

I disagree somewhat.

Animu examples of animal races where its just a regular girl but with animal ears (that might as well be on a novelty headband) and maybe a tail are kind of boring, if you are going to include bestial humanoid races/civs in your fantasy setting then go in hard and unusual.

Spoiler: My friend Barry the Jailer

Now this specific game is pornographic which influences things (and personally I'm probably more vanilla than most here in my preferences for simply attractive ladies with generous tits 'n ass to have sex with rather than looking for say corrupt beings packing giant horse dicks with which to degrade PCs) but even then its more intellectually stimulating to encounter less-human looking intelligent races than the likes of boring old kitsune.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

Even the furry and anthro characters understand that muzzles aren't good.

Depends on the species, in my opinion - and even I otherwise find most muzzles unappealing.

Animu examples of animal races where its just a regular girl but with animal ears (that might as well be on a novelty headband) and maybe a tail are kind of boring, if you are going to include bestial humanoid races/civs in your fantasy setting then go in hard and unusual.

I mean, the whole point of all these options is variety for the masses because being stuck to the same few things would get real boring - I find myself going no further than ears & tail, occasionally with the fun limbs and most often using their respective bits because a normal hooman dicc is the real boring more than half the time; only when the peen in question is most shaped like a human's do I use it.

On a related note, someone (in actuality, whoever wants to be civilised about it) tell me:
What makes a furry? I get answers from here to there, between "the second you get a single animal trait = furry" to "once you go full-body fur, you're a full-on furry."
S'confusing when you know there's a chart (albeit a meme most of the time) on what's what concerning body fur and animal parts, such as "furred limbs but still keeping the body skin clean? 'Half-furry'," and etc etc.

Any clarifications?

(I'll call this my gripe with the game, since it relates to it.)

 

[Savin]

What makes a furry?

Having a snout/muzzle/whatever, IMO. Full body covering of fur/scales/whatever is another good metric.

 

[TheShepard256]

On a related note, someone (in actuality, whoever wants to be civilised about it) tell me:
What makes a furry? I get answers from here to there, between "the second you get a single animal trait = furry" to "once you go full-body fur, you're a full-on furry."
S'confusing when you know there's a chart (albeit a meme most of the time) on what's what concerning body fur and animal parts, such as "furred limbs but still keeping the body skin clean? 'Half-furry'," and etc etc.

Any clarifications?

I don't think there is, or ever could be, a 100% clean-cut line between "furry" and "not furry" that everyone agrees on. That said, I'm pretty sure what Savin said is the majority opinion. Here's my take on the matter:
I consider furriness to be a scale from "completely human" to "completely animal"; a character closer to the latter end is more furry than one closer to the former. From least to most furry:

• Human: self-explanatory.
• Near-human: creatures that aren't 100% human, but also lack animal traits e.g. typical fantasy elves, dwarves and orcs.
• Kemonomimi: one or more (usually 2+) animal-like non-limb extremities (ears, tails, eyes, horns, etc.) but otherwise human e.g. half-human half-ausar, catfolk. This is pretty much the lower bound on what someone could possibly consider 'furry', though I and most others classify this as 'non-furry'.
• Half-furry/lesser morph: kemonomimi, but with animal-like limbs (even if it's just fur/scales/etc.) e.g. ausar, gryvain, taeleer, taurs with a human-to-kemonomimi upper half. I don't know how common it is to call this 'furry'; I'd imagine it's more common than for kemonomimi, but significantly less common than for anthropomorphs.
• Anthropomorph: humanoid body shape but everything else is animal-like, including full-body fur/scales/etc. and/or a muzzle/snout/beak/whatever e.g. kui-tan, lupines. When most people (including myself) say 'furry', they mean this, and anything less furry is 'non-furry'.
• Cartoon animal: sapient and bipedal, usually with hands, but otherwise animal e.g. most characters from Looney Tunes or Sonic the Hedgehog. I consider this to be straddling the line between 'furry' and 'bestiality', but I think most others think it falls squarely into 'furry'.
• Talking animal: human-like intelligence and personality, but physically completely animal e.g. Scooby-Doo. I personally include frostwyrms here, but not everyone does.
• Animal: self-explanatory.

 

[sumgai]

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I disagree somewhat.

Animu examples of animal races where its just a regular girl but with animal ears (that might as well be on a novelty headband) and maybe a tail are kind of boring, if you are going to include bestial humanoid races/civs in your fantasy setting then go in hard and unusual.

Spoiler: My friend Barry the Jailer

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Now this specific game is pornographic which influences things (and personally I'm probably more vanilla than most here in my preferences for simply attractive ladies with generous tits 'n ass to have sex with rather than looking for say corrupt beings packing giant horse dicks with which to degrade PCs) but even then its more intellectually stimulating to encounter less-human looking intelligent races than the likes of boring old kitsune.

I don't know about intellectually stimulating if they look like bipedal animals. But those extreme cases are massive turn offs to me. My brain can't divorce the muzzled faces from being animalistic. I'll take kitsune and Sariel over feeling like I'm screwing an animal. Centaurs are fine though. Though that may seem weird for me to say.

Having a snout/muzzle/whatever, IMO. Full body covering of fur/scales/whatever is another good metric.

I'd say the muzzle is the biggest factor. I haven't seen anybody accuse newish Catra of being a furry despite being literally covered in fur. To me, additions and substitutes don't automatically make something furry. It's when the majority of the body is very animal or the face becomes muzzled. For example, the manticore girl and Eubicha aren't furry to me because they have enough human features that I can differentiate. Brint and Gwyn are furry. Their muzzles overwrite the mostly human shapes and makes my mind automatically go "that's an animal, don't fuck it."

 

[GEESE]

even a hairless doggirl with a muzzle would read as a furry to me.

 

[Paradox01]

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Dammit, you beat me to it!

 

[TheShepard256]

I think the muzzles are the main thing because humans instinctively pay a lot of attention to other people's faces to get a read on body language. As such, having a non-human face makes us instinctively go "not human, therefore animal", which a major turn-off for most people.