Your gripes with CoC II
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Might fit more into what you would want added to the game but not being able to stop slavery tears at me, chasing off the orcs with the marked merk mercenaries would be noice.
If i didnt have such incredible respect for what this game has achieved and how hard i can only imagine it is to make technically and storywise, id have the audacity to ask for some bonus interraction for the warrior-barbarian background pickers who lost their tribe to orc raiders, its a bit personal.
If i didnt have such incredible respect for what this game has achieved and how hard i can only imagine it is to make technically and storywise, id have the audacity to ask for some bonus interraction for the warrior-barbarian background pickers who lost their tribe to orc raiders, its a bit personal.
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As I've mentioned before, I think that one of the strongest points of the game we've created is that we've managed to get players to love and make excuses for, people who perform acts that one would consider evil in the modern day and age. Corruptive demons, marauding slaver orcs, colonial land-grabbing foxes, sinister mommy witches, massive negligence on the champion's part in genderbending someone, etc, etc, etc.
Really makes you think, doesn't it.
But yes, it's a bit of a crapsack world when it comes down to it.
I get your point and wont fault any creator for going at it where they feel like it.
When you dont have the stomack to be sadistic its much less of a crapsack world though, doesnt mean its not there i guess, ugh my automatic immersion mucking me up even more now xD
Sure. And I think that the dev team should be justly proud of making many of their players feel that way.
But at least the text of the game makes it clear that you're not just writing for the people who are...most easily enticed by those sorts of things. You don't have to bend Brint into Brienne. You don't have to sign up for the Greater North Belharan Co-Prosperity Sphere and One Hundred Million Hearts As One
The meaningful choices are the key. There are plenty of great reasons to play this game other than the most morally compromised content. You can play a thoroughly responsible Champion who doesn't violate consent or abet anything unforgivably vile and still have a shitload of fun. Which means that, every time somebody does take those options, it's generally not because they were railroaded into them. And every time they try to justify liking them, it's because the game has actually made them feel that way.
TECHNICALLY you can free all the slaves in the orc camp by letting Benny go on a rampage that destroys the camp and the entire tribe but y'know. The slaves might also be freed from this mortal coil, too. Kinda ambiguous on who survives that
Where the everhell do ya'll keep getting these strange words for sex and masturbation and whatnot. :U
I first heard "spank bank" in the Army back in 2001. It's that part of your memory you tap into when rubbing one out.
We also call port-a-johns "Jack Shacks".
I like her too much to reduce her to that.
That's not to say there are aren't plenty of other characters I've used as a happy sock...
What is the point of writing a world that's so polarising if players aren't allowed to interact with it beyond either not pursuing the content or slavishly tolerating/going along with these 'evil' characters? There's no real consequences for the Kervus, Kitsune or Evergreen so far, nor does it seem like there's any plans for such.
You're not there to judge them, so why should they. This is a game about stopping a demon invasion and saving your soul and getting some ass along the way
You can thoroughly fuck up the Kervus' shit if you want to, though you have no control over who gets killed in the mayhem. Also, Savin has said that Evergreen has Plans and you'll be able to oppose them if you want. There's also huge amounts of kitsune-related content planned and the moral ambiguity of what they're doing is entirely intentional.
You're kind of overlooking options that are in the game, or will be in the game, and the fact that the game is incomplete so whining about limited interaction is pretty silly when so much of the content isn't in its final state yet.
My bad on the Kervus bit, although the only solution there being letting Benny have a giant murder rampage through the camp is also not exactly a good outcome. I'm also sorry for overlooking content that doesn't exist yet, can't see how I managed that.
Everyone is morally compromised
"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"
It is almost as if you you feel the need to impose your vision on other people/societies/countries
I don't want to get Westphalian system/Prime directive on you
But have you ever lived in a different culture?
Ever thought "not my cup of tea but it works for them"
If One wishes to effect change.
One uses the tools at hand [not matter how grubby] rather than wishing for a pristine "sonic screwdriver"
Why would there be?
"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"
It is almost as if you you feel the need to impose your vision on other people/societies/countries
I don't want to get Westphalian system/Prime directive on you
But have you ever lived in a different culture?
Ever thought "not my cup of tea but it works for them"
If One wishes to effect change.
One uses the tools at hand [not matter how grubby] rather than wishing for a pristine "sonic screwdriver"
Are you advocating for slavery simply because it's an intrinsic part of a culture? Moral Relativism isn't a good look, dude.
Who...? What..?
This isn't supposed to be hard to understand, no one is advocating anything. Savin and crew created a world, with it's own history, events, culture, characters and motivations, and so whatever is part of that world exists because they wanted to create an amazing experience for the player. If everything people created was an utopia, then what the hell was the point of it existing in the first place?? What happens in Savarra is part of that universe. Projecting the values and morals of a completely different place into a fantasy universe created for adventure and something to fight ~and fuck~ for is sooooo nonsensical.
It's ok for things to exist in other people's creations. Whether it's a good or bad thing doesn't matter, it's just a part of that world. Respect it.
This isn't supposed to be hard to understand, no one is advocating anything. Savin and crew created a world, with it's own history, events, culture, characters and motivations, and so whatever is part of that world exists because they wanted to create an amazing experience for the player. If everything people created was an utopia, then what the hell was the point of it existing in the first place?? What happens in Savarra is part of that universe. Projecting the values and morals of a completely different place into a fantasy universe created for adventure and something to fight ~and fuck~ for is sooooo nonsensical.
It's ok for things to exist in other people's creations. Whether it's a good or bad thing doesn't matter, it's just a part of that world. Respect it.
And you're trying to argue that a porn game set in a fantasy universe needs to allow the player an option to interact with the setting from the perspective of some foreign moral standard (the one you yourself believe in, perhaps?) whether that makes any sense in context or not. Who here is being more absurd, I wonder?
The same way I found that material: Browsing the forum and recognizing that just maybe, a game that's nowhere near finished will have more stuff later than it does now.
A porn game set in a fantasy universe shouldn't need to tackle such things anyway, but it does. It's silly to try to resort to that argument.
Not that I necessarily disagree with the actual desire for agency wrt overthrowing structures like slavery but that is waaaay way out of our scope. You're almost asking for a kingdom simulator. Bad individuals will get their comeuppance in one way or another once it's written but don't expect us to write you cleansing bad empires.
Ok great, then go create your own damn game then. Don't try to impose your views on how to do things on other people's creations. If you can't respect a good story created by a good team then you are free to leave
If I gave the impression that I was asking for something like that I apologise. I don't intend to assume the scope of those kinds of decisions would ever escape an area like the Kitsune tree in the Frostwood, for example.
I think you're getting a little too heated about this discussion. Why are you taking these gripes like they're a personal attack?
Realistically, the alternative to getting along with the kitsune is not interacting with the kitsune. Otherwise one of us is tasked with writing an entire path where you push through 500k words of content only to stick a fork in it in the end and frankly we have better things to do, like write more porn. I get it, though.
Whoa, whoa, let's pump the brakes here, fellas, I think this argument is starting to spiral out of control.
The point is, the good guys don't always win, crime often pays, and sometimes the bad guys don't get caught. Life sucks, buy a helmet.
The point is, the good guys don't always win, crime often pays, and sometimes the bad guys don't get caught. Life sucks, buy a helmet.
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