Your gripes with CoC II
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Where the everhell do ya'll keep getting these strange words for sex and masturbation and whatnot. :U
I first heard "spank bank" in the Army back in 2001. It's that part of your memory you tap into when rubbing one out.
We also call port-a-johns "Jack Shacks".
I like her too much to reduce her to that.
That's not to say there are aren't plenty of other characters I've used as a happy sock...
What is the point of writing a world that's so polarising if players aren't allowed to interact with it beyond either not pursuing the content or slavishly tolerating/going along with these 'evil' characters? There's no real consequences for the Kervus, Kitsune or Evergreen so far, nor does it seem like there's any plans for such.
You're not there to judge them, so why should they. This is a game about stopping a demon invasion and saving your soul and getting some ass along the way
You can thoroughly fuck up the Kervus' shit if you want to, though you have no control over who gets killed in the mayhem. Also, Savin has said that Evergreen has Plans and you'll be able to oppose them if you want. There's also huge amounts of kitsune-related content planned and the moral ambiguity of what they're doing is entirely intentional.
You're kind of overlooking options that are in the game, or will be in the game, and the fact that the game is incomplete so whining about limited interaction is pretty silly when so much of the content isn't in its final state yet.
My bad on the Kervus bit, although the only solution there being letting Benny have a giant murder rampage through the camp is also not exactly a good outcome. I'm also sorry for overlooking content that doesn't exist yet, can't see how I managed that.
Everyone is morally compromised
"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"
It is almost as if you you feel the need to impose your vision on other people/societies/countries
I don't want to get Westphalian system/Prime directive on you
But have you ever lived in a different culture?
Ever thought "not my cup of tea but it works for them"
If One wishes to effect change.
One uses the tools at hand [not matter how grubby] rather than wishing for a pristine "sonic screwdriver"
Why would there be?
"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"
It is almost as if you you feel the need to impose your vision on other people/societies/countries
I don't want to get Westphalian system/Prime directive on you
But have you ever lived in a different culture?
Ever thought "not my cup of tea but it works for them"
If One wishes to effect change.
One uses the tools at hand [not matter how grubby] rather than wishing for a pristine "sonic screwdriver"
Are you advocating for slavery simply because it's an intrinsic part of a culture? Moral Relativism isn't a good look, dude.
Who...? What..?
This isn't supposed to be hard to understand, no one is advocating anything. Savin and crew created a world, with it's own history, events, culture, characters and motivations, and so whatever is part of that world exists because they wanted to create an amazing experience for the player. If everything people created was an utopia, then what the hell was the point of it existing in the first place?? What happens in Savarra is part of that universe. Projecting the values and morals of a completely different place into a fantasy universe created for adventure and something to fight ~and fuck~ for is sooooo nonsensical.
It's ok for things to exist in other people's creations. Whether it's a good or bad thing doesn't matter, it's just a part of that world. Respect it.
This isn't supposed to be hard to understand, no one is advocating anything. Savin and crew created a world, with it's own history, events, culture, characters and motivations, and so whatever is part of that world exists because they wanted to create an amazing experience for the player. If everything people created was an utopia, then what the hell was the point of it existing in the first place?? What happens in Savarra is part of that universe. Projecting the values and morals of a completely different place into a fantasy universe created for adventure and something to fight ~and fuck~ for is sooooo nonsensical.
It's ok for things to exist in other people's creations. Whether it's a good or bad thing doesn't matter, it's just a part of that world. Respect it.
And you're trying to argue that a porn game set in a fantasy universe needs to allow the player an option to interact with the setting from the perspective of some foreign moral standard (the one you yourself believe in, perhaps?) whether that makes any sense in context or not. Who here is being more absurd, I wonder?
The same way I found that material: Browsing the forum and recognizing that just maybe, a game that's nowhere near finished will have more stuff later than it does now.
A porn game set in a fantasy universe shouldn't need to tackle such things anyway, but it does. It's silly to try to resort to that argument.
Not that I necessarily disagree with the actual desire for agency wrt overthrowing structures like slavery but that is waaaay way out of our scope. You're almost asking for a kingdom simulator. Bad individuals will get their comeuppance in one way or another once it's written but don't expect us to write you cleansing bad empires.
Ok great, then go create your own damn game then. Don't try to impose your views on how to do things on other people's creations. If you can't respect a good story created by a good team then you are free to leave
If I gave the impression that I was asking for something like that I apologise. I don't intend to assume the scope of those kinds of decisions would ever escape an area like the Kitsune tree in the Frostwood, for example.
I think you're getting a little too heated about this discussion. Why are you taking these gripes like they're a personal attack?
Realistically, the alternative to getting along with the kitsune is not interacting with the kitsune. Otherwise one of us is tasked with writing an entire path where you push through 500k words of content only to stick a fork in it in the end and frankly we have better things to do, like write more porn. I get it, though.
Whoa, whoa, let's pump the brakes here, fellas, I think this argument is starting to spiral out of control.
The point is, the good guys don't always win, crime often pays, and sometimes the bad guys don't get caught. Life sucks, buy a helmet.
The point is, the good guys don't always win, crime often pays, and sometimes the bad guys don't get caught. Life sucks, buy a helmet.
Except you didn't write your gripes here, you just started critisizing people out of the blue, with no respect whatsoever to the game itself, and by extent, the people that develop it. Just saying "ah sorry i didn't pay atention to this" doesn't excuse your disregard for respect.
I'm being rude because you're being annoying. You want to talk, talk. but stop trying to shove your opinion down people's throats as if you stood in some sort of moral high ground.
Sorry about that, i won't reply anymore.
I didn't criticise people, I criticised the game. Isn't that the reason this thread exists? If I seemed disrespectful I am sorry, but I am not the one slinging around terms like 'lack of respect' and telling people that if they don't like everything they can just leave. There's no need to get so defensive about all of this.
That's all I have to say.
Sir I live outside the United States of America.
I am not lumbered with "exceptionalism"
It was the moral absolutist that plunged my country in to 30 years of sectarian bloodshed
So maybe we have a different idea of what "good" looks like
No, denying another's humanity is a terrible thing to do and is designed to enable you to behave unspeakably with out psychological consequence.
To establish a system to perform this on an industrial scale is the ultimate accolade to the fiendish brilliance of the human mind when combined with notions of property. [1 Timothy 6:10]
But I can only say that from here a place of relative abundance, it is this abundance that allows concepts of rights to be considered.
If exploiting a captive was all that was keeping my kids from starving then I doubt I would take the high road.
So, this was already said by someone else here about 2 months ago, but I didn't really see much discussion on it aside from one person saying that they agree and feel it should be moved to silly mode.
I don't like Kiyoko being referred to as your "slut-wife." It's rather annoying, because a description of being a slut usually has a rather derogatory context. Even if one accepts or even enjoys the label being applied to them, it's a descriptor of someone who you would know mainly for having sex. And yes, lots of what you do with Kiyoko is fucking, and Kitsune society is rather promiscuous as a result of the essence transferal. And perhaps, I'd not really care if in certain contexts she was described as "slutty wife" or even just "slut," though that second one isn't quite accurate for how our characters interact with Kiyoko. But the term "slut-wife" is just weird, and takes you out of the scene. Because instead of an adjective modifying a noun, it's two nouns just mashed together despite having wildly different meanings.
I don't like Kiyoko being referred to as your "slut-wife." It's rather annoying, because a description of being a slut usually has a rather derogatory context. Even if one accepts or even enjoys the label being applied to them, it's a descriptor of someone who you would know mainly for having sex. And yes, lots of what you do with Kiyoko is fucking, and Kitsune society is rather promiscuous as a result of the essence transferal. And perhaps, I'd not really care if in certain contexts she was described as "slutty wife" or even just "slut," though that second one isn't quite accurate for how our characters interact with Kiyoko. But the term "slut-wife" is just weird, and takes you out of the scene. Because instead of an adjective modifying a noun, it's two nouns just mashed together despite having wildly different meanings.
I don't like how the Champion is such an asshole. My champion has absolutely no corruption. But after The Den was attacked, the champion's been acting like a dick.
When talking about Nakano to Mai, he gets all uppity saying shit like Nakano should've stopped the 40 plus bandits from attacking the Den and going on about useless Nakano was even though it wasn't his responsibility to protect the Den, it was the Champions. Or when talking to Miko, from the way it's worded, Miko's afraid that the Champion's gonna blow up and attack her if she says anything wrong. The Champion can barely control himself. While Kinu, the one who was actually attacked, isn't acting so crazy.
Also, when dealing with Hethia in Winter City. Although my champion chose to fight her, he's being just as much of a dick as she is maybe even more. He's incredibly self-assured and arrogant. Hethia does have a point when she says the Champion has a very small understanding of Bo'real culture and history and that he shouldn't really play any part in the diplomatic talks. Not even mentioning that the relationship the Champion has with Etheryn almost guarantees favoritism towards her side. But the Champion instead of considering any of this, just decides that Hethia is salty about getting her ass kicked and goes on to call her a "bratty school girl" and a "stuck-up know it all", it's incredibly ironic.
The Champions gotta stop being a dick. Stop being so reactive and bratty. I could understand if a corrupted champion was this insufferable, but a pure Champion really shouldn't be acting like this.
Edit: I just realized that most of the things I'm complaining about were written by @The Observer. Just to make it clear, I'm not trying to attack you or anything like that Tobs. I love all your other work with Kiyoko and the other Kitsune. I just got annoyed with how the Champion was acting and decided to rant a bit here.
When talking about Nakano to Mai, he gets all uppity saying shit like Nakano should've stopped the 40 plus bandits from attacking the Den and going on about useless Nakano was even though it wasn't his responsibility to protect the Den, it was the Champions. Or when talking to Miko, from the way it's worded, Miko's afraid that the Champion's gonna blow up and attack her if she says anything wrong. The Champion can barely control himself. While Kinu, the one who was actually attacked, isn't acting so crazy.
Also, when dealing with Hethia in Winter City. Although my champion chose to fight her, he's being just as much of a dick as she is maybe even more. He's incredibly self-assured and arrogant. Hethia does have a point when she says the Champion has a very small understanding of Bo'real culture and history and that he shouldn't really play any part in the diplomatic talks. Not even mentioning that the relationship the Champion has with Etheryn almost guarantees favoritism towards her side. But the Champion instead of considering any of this, just decides that Hethia is salty about getting her ass kicked and goes on to call her a "bratty school girl" and a "stuck-up know it all", it's incredibly ironic.
The Champions gotta stop being a dick. Stop being so reactive and bratty. I could understand if a corrupted champion was this insufferable, but a pure Champion really shouldn't be acting like this.
Edit: I just realized that most of the things I'm complaining about were written by @The Observer. Just to make it clear, I'm not trying to attack you or anything like that Tobs. I love all your other work with Kiyoko and the other Kitsune. I just got annoyed with how the Champion was acting and decided to rant a bit here.
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So, I haven't really seen much of this sort of thing (though it is sort of similar to my thing about not wanting Kiyoko to be called your "slut-wife"). But also, I've explicitly held out on doing the Den stuff until I get Kiyoko to max level, and when I did the Winter Palace thing that character had done the conversation battle with Hethia, rather than fought her. But, I totally agree with you: I don't want the Champion to be a dick. That's not how I play them, at all. It sounds like it'd be pretty annoying to have them act that way despite that.
Anyways, unrelated to that, here's two other gripes which have been brought up before, but haven't really had anything done about since: The first is milk. Specifically, that you can't milk yourself (or do any masturbation options, for that matter) without just immediately falling asleep, potentially sleeping for nearly 24 hours as sleep ends at a set time rather than just causing 8 or so hours to pass like TiTS. Why is it that our champion can fuck like a god for the whole day without getting tired but the moment they get themselves off they just conk out? Especially why can't we just milk ourselves at any time that we can masturbate, without needing to get a companion involved? As it is, instead of milking yourself when you need to, you either need to fuck or to be at a point in terms of time where you can accept your character falling asleep at the end of it. This was talked about in the "What content would you like added" thread, back on April 11, and Savin said:
I'm mostly just asking for that to actually happen, since he did say that it was a strong possibility.
And my second gripe is also something that was talked about in that other thread. It's that Etheryn's size limit is stuck at 12 inches and any longer makes you do the "monstrous" ass fucking, and I don't want to do dickish corrupt stuff. I like giving my characters frankly unrealistic cock sizes, and the only reason why I don't do so in CoC2 is because of Etheryn. As it is, forced to choose between having a really large dick and being able to fuck Etheryn like a normal, decent, non-dickheaded person, I'm choosing to be able to fuck her like a normal person, but I don't really want to have to choose. Savin has also talked about it in the aforementioned thread:
This was much more recent, only about a month and a half ago on June 25. It's also a lot less definitive, and I can live with her currently being this way assuming that's what Savin wants for her character, but it still annoys me that I have to keep my character's dick small (I say small but 12 inches is 7 inches longer than the average dick length of actual people) to not turn my character into an absolutely awful person the moment they try to fuck Etheryn. I especially don't like that you don't get a warning before getting locked into a corrupting scene: On the sex selection screen, there's nothing about "your dick's too large, and the Assfuck's popup is just "Take Ryn's ass for a ride." And then, once you've started the assfuck scene, there's no "back" or "nevermind" or "let's do something else actually" option. You can not select tenderly or roughly, because your dick doesn't fit, there's only the "monstrously" option. It isn't even an option at that point, you are forced to try to fuck her with a too-large dick, with absolutely no warning prior to the point where this "option" is forced upon you. And sure, once you've done it, you're free to reload a save (assuming you had a save recent enough that you could without loosing progress, but why would you save right before fucking one of your companions?) but it still sucks that, in the moment, your character is forced to become evil, with literally no warning given, unless your character has the overly large dick when Etheryn first shows that she's caged.
I think that's actually been changed, and if not it's on the docket of things to do.
It seems like it's been relaxed a bit yeah, I just tried at 16in and it allowed it. The new limit is probably 16 or 17in then, 'cause when I tried 18in it defaulted to Monstrously again.
Unless I somehow hit a bug or something, I can't seem to replicate it anymore, since I was just using an older save file and I did not save my changes after testing. :|
Unless I somehow hit a bug or something, I can't seem to replicate it anymore, since I was just using an older save file and I did not save my changes after testing. :|
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Huh, odd. For me, I've been testing it with a savefile by taking a character with a 9 inch cock and giving them enough turgid-infused blue eggs to increase their dick size beyond 12 (generally just 2 eggs). I just now tried it with a 13 inch cock, and it defaulted to monstrously. And I've checked the version numbers, so it is on the current patch.
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