Wraiths and existential terror

[Karamaru]

They may not be true gods, but there's no denying that they are powerful. They still have their own realms, Mallach at least has some control over time or he's secretly DIO, they can alter someone's physical body without using alchemy, and they were the apex of their species or at least something approaching apex. They are undeniably powerful. I doubt they made those anti wraith weapons to affect ones approaching their level and probably added flaws they know of to exploit. They're not stupid. And sealing them is probably extremely difficult and wouldn't be worth the trouble. If the abyssal thing is anything to go by, the seven can not be defeated in a straight up fight. Not without some extreme power backing their opponent up.

Indeed, they are not stupid but they also don't seem to understand mortals very well which is the scary similarity they share with Kas and probably the only ones that can stop them are the original seven which could lead to an interesting moral question that do you side with gods who are pretty much hands off or more proactive gods who think they know what's best for mortals.

I can think of a few ideas. A sword with a wraith sealed inside and used to power it up. Maybe seeing it looking back in the sword's reflection, the sword seemingly having a mind of its own and trying to devour its enemies and their souls. Lots of potential for it. Not even for endgame. Midgame would work too.

An intelligent weapon would be sweet that can talk back reminds me of Lilarcor from Baldur's gate 2 or Xal'Atoh from World of Warcraft.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Indeed, they are not stupid but they also don't seem to understand mortals very well which is the scary similarity they share with Kas and probably the only ones that can stop them are the original seven which could lead to an interesting moral question that do you side with gods who are pretty much hands off or more proactive gods who think they know what's best for mortals.

I'll side with whichever Nareva has the bigger breasts and can knock me up. If they're the same, then whoever can buy my loyalty with cool goth snek themed loot.

An intelligent weapon would be sweet that can talk back reminds me of Lilarcor from Baldur's gate 2 or Xal'Atoh from World of Warcraft.

Yeah sweet until it starts whispering evil stuff like "kill them all, pillage their land, salt the earth, feed me their souls, jaywalk everywhere!"

I've never played Baldur's gate or WoW so I've got no clue how those weapons are. I was thinking Gig from Soul Nomad, or the heroes relics from FE: Three Houses. Granted the heroes relics aren't housing some soul or used to seal, but they do pulse and move as if alive and can recognize if their wielder doesn't share their blood since the embedded crest is the original creature's heart and the weapons are their bones shaped into weapons. Hell, Aymr's moving part tries to extend as if trying to bite its opponent. I was thinking of those. Mostly Gig just maybe less talky and sarcastic. Can't have a sword steal the show. Lots of options though. For weapon exclusive abilities, flavor text, maybe heal on crit, and silly mode stuff.

 

[Tide Hunter]

the seven are not omnipotent, powerful yes but not all knowing

Yeah, they're not omnipotent, but omnipotent isn't a combination of high power and total knowledge. Omnipotent is just all powerful, and compared to everyone except for the other Seven, the Seven are essentially omnipotent. When you say "but not all knowing," you mean omniscience.

I can think of a few ideas. A sword with a wraith sealed inside and used to power it up. Maybe seeing it looking back in the sword's reflection, the sword seemingly having a mind of its own and trying to devour its enemies and their souls. Lots of potential for it. Not even for endgame. Midgame would work too.

Maybe? There is a weapon with some level of autonomy in the game, that being the Blight Tendril, which "wriggles and writhes unnaturally, as if it seeks flesh to penetrate and corrupt." It doesn't quite have enough of a mind to have a personality, but it does have a mind of its own in that it desires to kill. Also, in the scene where you acquire it, it's shown that, if you throw it, it automatically comes back to you.

I'll side with whichever Nareva has the bigger breasts and can knock me up.

Well, Savin has confirmed that none of the Seven that are actually present can have children (or at least, not proper children, though they may be able to have soulless children like demons), though I don't know if he's said anything about the non-present Seven.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Well, Savin has confirmed that none of the Seven that are actually present can have children (or at least, not proper children, though they may be able to have soulless children like demons), though I don't know if he's said anything about the non-present Seven.

I know. But I still stand by what I said. In the event the og one can knock me up but has smaller breasts, I'll go with whoever offers the best loot. Sex is secondary to acquiring things with good numbers in the places I want them. I fucking love big numbers. Big number>actual skill and tactics.

Maybe? There is a weapon with some level of autonomy in the game, that being the Blight Tendril, which "wriggles and writhes unnaturally, as if it seeks flesh to penetrate and corrupt." It doesn't quite have enough of a mind to have a personality, but it does have a mind of its own in that it desires to kill. Also, in the scene where you acquire it, it's shown that, if you throw it, it automatically comes back to you.

Wraiths aren't native to Savarra. So while Savin has confirmed they can be sealed and used to enchant, that doesn't mean same rules apply. There's no telling what armor and weapons housing wraiths will do. And that's assuming they can pose a threat to their wielder. The blight tendril houses the usual brand of corruption if I remember right, so it's basically a portable horny maker.

Yeah, they're not omnipotent, but omnipotent isn't a combination of high power and total knowledge. Omnipotent is just all powerful, and compared to everyone except for the other Seven, the Seven are essentially omnipotent. When you say "but not all knowing," you mean omniscience.

Their power is not unlimited and they can't do everything. If they could, Nareva could've brought back Ria and Ander by now. They may not age, but I bet they're very much mortal otherwise. It may take a heavy amount of punishment that'd make Rasputin say "damn!" but I don't think they fit into the omnipotent category. Powerful cosmic horror? Yes. An actual god? Nah bruv. And at the risk of being pedantic again, I'd count omniscience as a required part of omnipotence.

 

[Tide Hunter]

And that's assuming they can pose a threat to their wielder. The blight tendril houses the usual brand of corruption if I remember right, so it's basically a portable horny maker.

While the corruption is the Kas brand (given that it's a body part of the corrupted form of the centaur chief dude), the only "horny maker" part of it is on the wielder. The damage it deals is a mix between blight and penetrating, both of which are physical damage types, rather than one resolve one physical. Or, well, blight isn't "physical" but it does hp damage. It also doesn't increase sexiness/temptation, or do anything to make it so that your foes are more horny. Instead, it lowers your focus by 40, in exchange for being the strongest thrown weapon in terms of pure damage. Yes, the corruption in is the Kas corruption, but the "mind," how it works on those targetted by it is just pure murderous intent. It does not want to fuck, it just wants to kill.

I'd count omniscience as a required part of omnipotence.

Eh, personally I separate them. Omnipotence is being able to perform any action, omniscience is knowing everything. Omniscience is a passive thing, so omnipotence, which centers around being active, doesn't quite apply.

 

[SomeNobody]

Its doesn't matter either way since the pretender gods are clearly NOT omniscient.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

the only "horny maker" part of it is on the wielder.

Then you're not using the sex tentacle right. To be fair, it doesn't have a manual. But it's a tentacle in a porn game. Does it really need a manual?

Instead, it lowers your focus by 40, in exchange for being the strongest thrown weapon in terms of pure damage. Yes, the corruption in is the Kas corruption, but the "mind," how it works on those targetted by it is just pure murderous intent. It does not want to fuck, it just wants to kill.

I don't use ranged weapons and mainly use the swift sword so I only know it's a piece of the corrupt chief. So besides its origin I don't know much about it. Though you make it sound pretty brutal.

Eh, personally I separate them. Omnipotence is being able to perform any action, omniscience is knowing everything. Omniscience is a passive thing, so omnipotence, which centers around being active, doesn't quite apply.

Yeah that crosses into the philosophical realm. That's fair if it doesn't fit your description. Not like I've met an actual god to dispute that. Though I don't think either omni word applies to the seven. And I'd think they'd be the first to admit it. Mallach and Nareva kinda have already. Mallach states they can't safely open portals willy nilly and I already mentioned Nareva's inability to fix the salamander twins. So they're not omnipotent. As for not being omniscient, can they see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch? Do they know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop? I thought not.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Though I don't think either omni word applies to the seven.

Yeah, definitely. They lack knowledge, even with Nareva, who's supposed to be the knowledge goddess. Nareva, rather than knowing everything, instead chases knowledge. And in omnipotence, they can't actually do everything. It's just that they're the closest it seems to be able to get to that in Savarra. The difference in power between the Seven and everything else is great enough that, in a direct competition, the Seven would be effectively omnipotent.

 

[Stupid_Goo]

They lack knowledge, even with Nareva, who's supposed to be the knowledge goddess. Nareva, rather than knowing everything, instead chases knowledge.

Personally, that's how I see a god of knowledge as: they're not supposed to just know everything, they pursue and keep knowledge - otherwise she'd be called Nareva the Omniscient and not the God and keeper of Knowledge.
And the point of multiple deities is either they're all specified and frequently overlap in their own stuff, OR they're actually all just facets of one super-massive, actually omnipotent big god that doesn't really know what it's doing and is just watching everything while sitting in god-baby diapers.

 

[Karamaru]

Yeah, they're not omnipotent, but omnipotent isn't a combination of high power and total knowledge. Omnipotent is just all powerful, and compared to everyone except for the other Seven, the Seven are essentially omnipotent. When you say "but not all knowing," you mean omniscience.

Fair enough, I usually combine the two as one thing, but I see where you're coming from.

Yeah, definitely. They lack knowledge, even with Nareva, who's supposed to be the knowledge goddess. Nareva, rather than knowing everything, instead chases knowledge.

Not only that, but she has to have access to the well of of memories so everything that ever was known should be in there unless it never recorded things before they arrived and I somewhat doubt they discover new things in a world where pretty much everything is forgotten or sealed away because of reasons.

Its doesn't matter either way since the pretender gods are clearly NOT omniscient.

Indeed, they are not if you can outplay them, and some of them seem to play favourites with races which make me not too fond of them.

I've never played Baldur's gate or WoW so I've got no clue how those weapons are. I was thinking Gig from Soul Nomad, or the heroes relics from FE: Three Houses. Granted the heroes relics aren't housing some soul or used to seal, but they do pulse and move as if alive and can recognize if their wielder doesn't share their blood since the embedded crest is the original creature's heart and the weapons are their bones shaped into weapons. Hell, Aymr's moving part tries to extend as if trying to bite its opponent. I was thinking of those. Mostly Gig just maybe less talky and sarcastic. Can't have a sword steal the show. Lots of options though. For weapon exclusive abilities, flavor text, maybe heal on crit, and silly mode stuff.

Oh, man Soul Nomads that take me back. I still giggle at the MC yelling at Gig for peeping on her in the bathroom, but yea Gig is another splendid example that completely stole the show.

 

[WolframL]

Indeed, they are not if you can outplay them, and some of them seem to play favourites with races which make me not too fond of them.

I think this is less 'playing favorites' and more that each of the Seven had a portfolio (or people believed they did) and the Wraiths-turned-Seven were bound by that preexisting belief.. Keros plays favorites with the kitsune because people believe he's primarily their god, Lumia favors humans and orcs because she was perceived that way, Nareva favors scholars and mages because that was her portfolio etc.

There's a bit of additional favoritism but it seems rooted in a sense of personal responsibility rather than anything malicious. Nareva plays favorites with Tychris out of a sense of personal responsibility and Lumia probably has specific reasons she decided to help out the boreal elves but we haven't learned what that might be yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something similar to Nareva though, since we know the elves were being overrun by the Wraiths and the one that became Lumia was probably involved and killed a lot of them before her awakening.

 

[Savin]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's something similar to Nareva though, since we know the elves were being overrun by the Wraiths and the one that became Lumia was probably involved and killed a lot of them before her awakening.

That's certainly the implication there.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

There's a bit of additional favoritism but it seems rooted in a sense of personal responsibility rather than anything malicious. Nareva plays favorites with Tychris out of a sense of personal responsibility and Lumia probably has specific reasons she decided to help out the boreal elves but we haven't learned what that might be yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something similar to Nareva though, since we know the elves were being overrun by the Wraiths and the one that became Lumia was probably involved and killed a lot of them before her awakening.

Given that the spooky castle basement quest shows what happened to non-believers of Lumia, It doesn't paint wraith Lumia in a positive light if she let it happen while she was in power. Correct me if I'm wrong (no seriously my memory is shit, tell me if I get this wrong), but the former queen's actions of imprisoning the old wyld followers and doing awful stuff was after the Godswar. As in, after wraith Lumia arrived and directly aided the elves. If that's the case, then it's hard to view her as playing favorites when she let that inquisition level shit happen. If anything (and this may be personal bias from religion here) it makes it seem that out of the seven, she is abusing her position and cares more about power and worship than the well being of the world. Which makes her even more ironic. The goddess of light and healing and popping out babies would be the most selfish and malicious of the wraithtastic seven.

Then again, if you know who my avatar is, you may be inclined to say "hey Winter, you're being hard on Lumia." And to that I say, she's a meanie and her very existence is too ironic to take seriously.

We must reject the goddess of pregnancy and deus vult and turn to the goth gf goddess.

 

[Savin]

Then again, if you know who my avatar is,

People reading this in 5 years are going to be very confused why F17's edgelord hates god.

 

[WolframL]

Given that the spooky castle basement quest shows what happened to non-believers of Lumia, It doesn't paint wraith Lumia in a positive light if she let it happen while she was in power. Correct me if I'm wrong (no seriously my memory is shit, tell me if I get this wrong), but the former queen's actions of imprisoning the old wyld followers and doing awful stuff was after the Godswar

Atheldred's harem didn't become ghosts because of anything Lumia did personally but because none of them were able to rest in peace until they'd reconciled in one way or another, or until you forcibly exorcise them. The ghostly brigade includes Atheldred herself, the very first Valkyrie that Lumia created, along with some of her followers. In other words, it went both ways. This is something I like to remind people of, since it makes it pretty clear that giving one's soul to one of the Seven has no real metaphysical impact vis a vis ghosts and/or whatever afterlife may exist in the setting.

As for why Lumia didn't come down and tell both sides to knock that shit off, something something mortal free will would be my guess.

 

[Kingu2]

This is something I like to remind people of, since it makes it pretty clear that giving one's soul to one of the Seven has no real metaphysical impact vis a vis ghosts and/or whatever afterlife may exist in the setting.

Reading the codex entry on ghosts and spirits gives the impression that ghosts aren't a manifestation of the soul but merely some left overs reliving the past, so I'm not too sure about that.

 

[zagzig]

The imperfect application of power (and subsequent paralysing impotence) is a recurring theme in the setting. After all, if everyone with power was using it actively and judiciously the world wouldn't need a Champion.

The Seven seem a lot like

Spoiler

The Baroness

. They were some hot shit a long time ago, but good intentions led to not-good results and now most of them sit alone in their metaphysical realms being all mopey. Nareva (and Lumia?) watches over the victims of her Original Sin, Sorra does nothing as two of her peoples wage bloody war with each other for her favour, Mallach creates homunculi to explore the world for him, Keros... actually seems like he's living his best un-life.

They certainly hope the Champion can pull things off, but generally seem concerned that any direct intervention they make - beyond jumping in to smack down a potential world-ending abomination - will make things worse.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

As for why Lumia didn't come down and tell both sides to knock that shit off, something something mortal free will would be my guess.

Yeah that's my main point to my insane ramblings. The ghost thing just lets them give us their story. My only real issue is that the awful things that led to them all being unable to move on was done in her name. I know mortals gonna mortal, but if I were in Lumia's position I'd have told Aetheldred to knock it off. I didn't mean them being ghosts because of Lumia magic, but the events in their lives that led to them being unable to move on and being ghosts being her fault. Maybe she didn't know, or maybe she was forbidden by the other 6 or majority rule from doing anything. But unless we get Lumia's side, what we have doesn't make her look good. All we know, or I know at least, is that some inquisition style stuff happened to those who didn't want to worship Lumia and they were greatly wronged. Aetheldred can be broken up about it but that doesn't change her actions. And Keros and Nareva seem pretty okay with interacting and talking to mortals so I don't see why Lumia couldn't have at least told them to chill. It paints Lumia as being selfish and caring only about gaining followers with no regard or care for the wellbeing of those who don't fall in line.

Reading the codex entry on ghosts and spirits gives the impression that ghosts aren't a manifestation of the soul but merely some left overs reliving the past, so I'm not too sure about that.

Without getting into the confusing background lore, that sounds like some Blazblue: Chronophantasma or Persona stuff. I will not elaborate because I'd have to type an essay just to try and make sense of it. Especially Blazblue.

The imperfect application of power (and subsequent paralysing impotence) is a recurring theme in the setting. After all, if everyone with power was using it actively and judiciously the world wouldn't need a Champion.

It's called laziness outsourcing.

Ultimately, as for the seven, I stand by my belief that they may accidentally destroy everything if they fight someone so they're waiting to see if that'll be necessary. I'm sure if we fail, they'll step in on the Kasyrra front just to prevent her accidentally causing more armageddons but I doubt the world will be unscarred if they do.

 

[WolframL]

Reading the codex entry on ghosts and spirits gives the impression that ghosts aren't a manifestation of the soul but merely some left overs reliving the past, so I'm not too sure about that.

Whether it's some sort of echo or the original soul is immaterial in this case because both the Lumians and followers of the Old Wyld were able to leave them in the first place. If giving your soul to one of the seven had a metaphysical impact, you wouldn't expect Atheldred to be capable of having a ghost-copy to begin with.

Also, the codex entry is written from an in-universe perspective and admits that the writer is hardly all-knowing on the topic. Atheldred and Synneva appear considerably more intelligent than what the codex would consider typical to the point that they don't just remember their lives but are capable of recognizing Ryn as their granddaughter. And there's this entry on the wiki (which Savin wrote the relevant bits of) which contradicts the codex's in-universe author when it comes to ki (ie the bit that makes you 'you'). I suspect this is being left deliberately vague so that we can argue about it. xD

But unless we get Lumia's side, what we have doesn't make her look good.

Oh, I agree that it doesn't look terribly good that she didn't come down at least say 'hey, knock it off' but there may be more to the story that we're not getting. Since we know she's going to eventually be able to offer the Champ the same soul-binding offer, I wouldn't be surprised if we get to have a chat with her that will be quite enlightening, like we've had with Nareva and most recently Mallach. Maybe that'll shed some light on the topic.

Though on the topic of other members of the Seven being more willing to directly interact with their followers, we do have an example of Lumia communicating directly if briefly (as opposed to indirect visions) in one of Ryn's Winter City 'date' scenes, and while Mallach is willing to talk to the Champ he is distinctly unwilling to talk to Cait about anything, believing it's best to let her make that journey for herself. So it's not like other gods don't take a deliberately hands-off attitude in certain circumstances.

 

[Kingu2]

I suspect this is being left deliberately vague so that we can argue about it. xD

yeah probably right. I mean we argue about the nature of the soul and the afterlife in real life but we all know no one has a definitive answer. I still wouldn't give my soul to any of them though.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Ultimately, as for the seven, I stand by my belief that they may accidentally destroy everything if they fight someone so they're waiting to see if that'll be necessary. I'm sure if we fail, they'll step in on the Kasyrra front just to prevent her accidentally causing more armageddons but I doubt the world will be unscarred if they do.

Makes sense. Reminds me of the "World of Cardboard" thing, I suppose. Lumia didn't step in to fight Kasyrra when she was messing up the city and corrupting all the nobles, but then an even greater threat, the interdimensional eldritch thingy, and it seems that Lumia dragged the monster off into some mountain (presumably unpopulated) to presumably prevent as much... I forget the word(s), but like, accidental destruction. Side damage? as she could.

 

[Squirrelwagon]

I forget the word(s), but like, accidental destruction. Side damage? as she could.

Collateral damage, I think is the term?

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Collateral damage, I think is the term?

I call it a usual Saturday night.

 

[Savin]

Ultimately, as for the seven, I stand by my belief that they may accidentally destroy everything if they fight someone so they're waiting to see if that'll be necessary.

Basically.

You know that part of every superhero movie where the supers get knocked through buildings and take out whole city blocks with their powers -- the Wraiths are that but worse. The heavy hitters of the pantheon (Lumia, Sorra) probably can't not be indiscriminate with their powers. Big sun lasers and lightning storms have Friendly Fire on by default.

This is why the Seven have paladins and Soulbound in the first place.

 

[Animalistic]

Basically.

You know that part of every superhero movie where the supers get knocked through buildings and take out whole city blocks with their powers -- the Wraiths are that but worse. The heavy hitters of the pantheon (Lumia, Sorra) probably can't not be indiscriminate with their powers. Big sun lasers and lightning storms have Friendly Fire on by default.

This is why the Seven have paladins and Soulbound in the first place.

But at same time, if something as Kas is so below them, would they need to use that much energy, if any, to bring her down?

 

[Savin]

But at same time, if something as Kas is so below them, would they need to use that much energy, if any, to bring her down?

 

[Cerneu]

We "defeated" her the same way that you defeat someone in chess. She could have, at any time, just said "I refuse to tell you" and yeeted us out of the dream but she instead humored us and answered our questions.

Yeah she could do all of that, but instead, she got way ahead of herself, and thought she could easily defeat us in a game of wits. There's a long literary history of powerful beings being undone due to their own arrogance.

The relic works specifically on the target being soulless. That's why it works on demons. It could, hypothetically, work on the Seven since they don't have "souls of their own," but we don't quite know how they get stuck in the artifact. The champ getting put in happens off-screen, so to say, and we only know that Tollus entered the prism with Kassyra when bringing her in. And even then that's a bad end, so we can't know any of the mechanics behind the prism. And since the Seven have immense levels of power, to the point what Mallach seems to freeze time when you speak to him, and they seem to teleport wherever they want, whenever they want, not to mention having been the ones to create the anti-wraith tools, they likely have knowledge of what they do (preventing a surprise factor that could have been needed to effectively use something like the prism) and could potentially just counter any attempt to use the tools. Plus, if someone uses the stuff and succeeds on taking out one of the Seven, then the others may learn of it pretty quickly and treat them as a high-end threat to directly combat rather than underestimating them like Nareeva did. Also, how would we know that all the relics are in working condition? Sorra's Succor was an artifact from the Godswar too, but there seems to be no magical energy on it, and while that could be because it was never magical, it could also have had an enchantment fade or been damaged to the point that the magic left it.

That's all nice, but again, there's a long literary tradition of powerful beings undone by their own weapons. The more arrogant and powerful they are, the more likely is for them to step on their own mine. Besides, nobody in here is advocating in favor of a full frontal assault on the Seven. That would be stupid. Subterfuge would be part of anyone's plan to depose them. And yes, it's possible to fool even someone who claims to be all-seeing.

You say they might have put some kind of fail-safe counter on their anti-wraith weapons, to prevent it being used against its creator. But that doesn't mean it couldn't be used against a Seven that did not create that specific weapon. Do the Seven trust each other unconditionally? I would love to explore that. Spreading some paranoia and jealousy, and starting a "War in Heaven" is one way how any potential "Liberator" (with apologies to FE3H) would have to start his plan. So let's, theoretically, use a wraith killing weapon on one of the Seven and frame another Seven for it. What exquisite drama would that be!

Ah, I love Norse mythology specifically because of how much backstabbing and seething jealousy was there among the gods. Greek mythology is also a riot.

Mallach at least has some control over time or he's secretly DIO,

Tbf, DIO did get defeated too. I've read too many manga to know that nothing is impossible, and no foe unbeatable, if the story writer wills it.

I doubt they made those anti wraith weapons to affect ones approaching their level and probably added flaws they know of to exploit. They're not stupid.

Oh, they aren't stupid. That's for sure. But they also aren't the smartest beings in the world. Otherwise Nareva would have never lost in a game of wits.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Oh, they aren't stupid. That's for sure. But they also aren't the smartest beings in the world. Otherwise Nareva would have never lost in a game of wits.

Personally I think Nareva wanted to lose. Out of the seven we've met, she seems the most remorseful and lonely. As for the ant-wraith weapons, they'll probably work on the seven but would need tweaking and or the element of surprise. Plus Kas is a more immediate threat to everyone. She definitely takes priority.

 

[Cerneu]

Personally I think Nareva wanted to lose. Out of the seven we've met, she seems the most remorseful and lonely. As for the ant-wraith weapons, they'll probably work on the seven but would need tweaking and or the element of surprise. Plus Kas is a more immediate threat to everyone. She definitely takes priority.

I hope it's not like that, because "she wanted to lose" is a very lazy way how to make a super powerful being lose a battle without showing weakness.

And I don't believe that the Seven are devoid of any weakness. Nobody is. Not even real gods.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I hope it's not like that, because "she wanted to lose" is a very lazy way how to make super powerful being lose a battle without showing weakness.

I don't mean it like she wanted to lose and let us win. I mean the truth slipped out because she wanted someone to know but it wasn't intentional. And I'd say giving into emotion and taking a huge chance on sharing the truth with a stranger is a rash decisions. Not something a true god would probably make.

And I don't believe that the Seven are devoid of any weakness. Nobody is. Not even real gods.

I agree completely. Wraiths were defeated and killed. Just because they're powerful ageless wraiths doesn't make them immortal. Nareva herself confirms that a wraith can be killed when she admits she did so. But their power has reached a point that they can't be fought without doing more harm than good. I doubt they'd accept death. Most wouldn't. I can't think of a way to do anything to them with what we know so far. Any straight up fight would probably blast Savarra to the stone age this time, if you trick one then the other six will be cautious and could aid the one if still alive, and grouping them together just leaves the possibility of them overpowering whatever's being used. Add Kasyrra running around and trying to punch open portals with no regard, it'd be worse if we tried to eliminate the seven at the same time.

And it wouldn't be everyone v. seven. There will be people who either don't believe they're wraiths, don't care, or will prioritize faith over the potential consequences of having lovecraftian horrors as gods. So even if there was a war with the seven, they'd have that buffer. Unless one could be killed and a superweapon made out of their remains, it just isn't safe. Mortal and fallible? Yes. But so's superman and doomsday and they wreck everyone's shit.