Will Ember ever be completed?

[thatguy1001]

I'm only asking because Ember's development hasn't progressed since she was added. I was so looking forward to seeing her pure and corrupt forms. I was hoping the revamp mod would have done something about this, but I only see bugfixes and something about sealing off any hints about her other corruption levels.

If that sealing is what I think it is, this makes me very sad indeed.

 

[Savin]

No. Nothing but the end game will ever be finished, and even that's still not a guarantee. 

 

[Kitteh6660]

Unfortunately, I've pretty much decided to not code in pure and corrupted Ember for the mod due to how complex and massive it is. So I've decided to seal off the hints of pure and corrupted Ember instead.

Fortunately, to compensate for that, you can sleep with Ember for gradual affection increase every day. And you can even ask him/her for eggshells at 100% affection to get the shield.

 

[Bino668]

No. Nothing but the end game will ever be finished, and even that's still not a guarantee. 

So even if one of the writers comes back to you and Fen with more (say Quiet Browser decides to finish Loppe by adding the father side quest and pregnancy) you guys wouldn't implement it?

 

[Magic Ted]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "Hey if this thing hasn't happened in a year and a half it still isn't going to happen" in regards to anyone coming back to finish it.

CoC's development is all but done though, yes. 

 

[TheInfamousImmortal]

Unfortunately, I've pretty much decided to not code in pure and corrupted Ember for the mod due to how complex and massive it is. So I've decided to seal off the hints of pure and corrupted Ember instead.

Fortunately, to compensate for that, you can sleep with Ember for gradual affection increase every day. And you can even ask him/her for eggshells at 100% affection to get the shield.

So she'll remain incomplete forever?

 

[MESeele]

So she'll remain incomplete forever?

Yes. Forever.

The horse isn't just dead, it's already mulch. Stop beating the damn thing.

Seriously, I hope the devs put what should be obvious as a message on the game's title page in big bold underlined letters. This game holds no future past this, forevermore.

 

[TheInfamousImmortal]

Well what about Ember's quest? I caught a small glimpse of it.

 

[JimThermic]

It's dead, Dave. Ember's dead, Dave. She's Dead, Dave. Dave, she's dead. Ember is Dead. Her Quest is Dead. She is Dead. Dead, Ember is. Ember is Dead, Dave.

 

[TheInfamousImmortal]

Wtf man, come on.

 

[Woider]

It's over, Johnny.

 

[Enigmatic D]

Wtf man, come on.

What do you mean? More often than not, there's one person that brings up either Ember or some other character within CoC. I could havehave sworn for the past few weeks, it was said what exactly will be worked on for said gamegame on the blog and that's it.  

 

[TheInfamousImmortal]

It's over, Johnny.

NOTHING IS OVER.... NOTHING!!! YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!

 

[Couch]

NOTHING IS OVER.... NOTHING!!! YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!

This project is no more. It has ceased to be.

 

[Kitteh6660]

I've decided that I will give Ember one last expansion: Ember Quest. The documents appear to be incomplete.

The quest covers a lot of lore and contains a whole new dungeon! The note mentions kobolds. 

CoC hasn't gotten a new dungeon in quite some time!

Ember Quest only. No pure or corrupted Ember.

Edit: Only after we fill in the missing content.

 

[TheInfamousImmortal]

I've decided that I will give Ember one last expansion: Ember Quest. The documents appear to be incomplete.

The quest covers a lot of lore and contains a whole new dungeon! The note mentions kobolds. 

CoC hasn't gotten a new dungeon in quite some time!

Ember Quest only. No pure or corrupted Ember.

AWESOME!!!

 

[Couch]

I've decided that I will give Ember one last expansion: Ember Quest. The documents appear to be incomplete.

The quest covers a lot of lore and contains a whole new dungeon! The note mentions kobolds. 

CoC hasn't gotten a new dungeon in quite some time!

Ember Quest only. No pure or corrupted Ember.

Literally you actively make people's lives worse by doing this.  You teach them that if they bitch and beg for long enough then they'll get whatever they want.  You do this knowing before you even start that the results will be shovelware because you're working off incomplete documents, meaning this is the point where Ember's own writer decided enough was enough.  It also means those documents are not proofread or edited, they have not had the good ideas sifted out from the bad.  You have to know this, and you have to know better than this.

 

[Kitteh6660]

Look, it won't even be in CoC for some time until we get the document sorted out and proofread. The entire reasons for pure Ember not going to be in CoC are that it would be time-consuming to code and the document is not even finished. Those time could be better spent fixing bugs and coding in finished and polished documents.

There are some submissions that are complete and proofread but nobody bothered to code it in.

As the development is slow going, there is plenty of time for the documents to be finished up and polished.

Take Ingnam, cabin development, Jojo sex scenes, and Behemoth for example. It's not something of good quality but they will eventually get polished scenes. Take a good look at this. Can you please cut me some slack? I'm already carrying 1 metric ton of burden.

 

[Savin]

You have to know this, and you have to know better than this.

Clearly not.

 

[Gardeford]

I'm already carrying 1 metric ton of burden.

All of which is self inflicted.

 

[Nonesuch]

You teach them that if they bitch and beg for long enough then they'll get whatever they want.  You do this knowing before you even start that the results will be shovelware because you're working off incomplete documents, meaning this is the point where Ember's own writer decided enough was enough.  It also means those documents are not proofread or edited, they have not had the good ideas sifted out from the bad.  You have to know this, and you have to know better than this.

Who cares what he does with Ember or anything else? The problem of people continuously mithering for more CoC content isn't really his problem - it's Fen's for not making it clear enough that it's ogre, for continuously putting off giving it a proper ending, and the fault of the game itself for having so many loose ends it frustrates players. Kitteh glibly agrees to any suggestion, cobbles it together and then slaps it onto the teetering shitpile, and he cannot be stopped or persuaded to change how he does it. Why? Well, firstly because I'm 90% certain he has a behavioural problem, but secondly because people *like* what he does. If they don't care about the abject quality control, fair fuck to them. As long as he's not charging for it, let him shovel away.

EDIT: Huh, Izmael's slated for the mod, with a way to turn him back to Izma planned, without anyone telling me. Why am I not surprised about that. Oh, and an alternative to take over the farm by simply defeating Whitney in battle. Because fuck the slow, subtle process of mindbreak when you can just beat the shit out of her! Lovely stuff.

 

[TheInfamousImmortal]

The fault of the game itself for having so many loose ends it frustrates players.

That's one of the things I heard about CoC, that it had so much content and yet it had so many loose ends that it's kinda shocking.

 

[JimThermic]

 Kitteh glibly agrees to any suggestion, cobbles it together and then slaps it onto the teetering shitpile

You're always so poetic. It's loverly. 

 

[Kitteh6660]

I don't take every suggestion. I flat-out refuse anything that involves removal of cocks. Now, now, I want to tie up the loose ends.

Izmael was originally going to be coded at a point but never got added. I've revised the card on Trello so beating the crap outta Whitney locks you out of farm corruption route for some time.

"Lovely stuff" I can tell you're being sarcastic.

 

[Couch]

EDIT: Huh, Izmael's slated for the mod, with a way to turn him back to Izma planned, without anyone telling me. Why am I not surprised about that. Oh, and an alternative to take over the farm by simply defeating Whitney in battle. Because fuck the slow, subtle process of mindbreak when you can just beat the shit out of her! Lovely stuff.

Especially since mindbreaking Whitney is likely the single most vile thing you're allowed to do in the entire game, and in my book one of the best-written events in CoC because it's the only time that taking the corrupt route really makes you feel like an utter monster.  It's admittedly been months since I last played CoC, and that was for a speedrun, but to my recollection the farm corruption hits the right notes to make the Champion despicable in a way that makes the writing of things like Amily and Jojo corruption look incredibly shallow by comparison.  It's especially noteworthy for being a late addition when late CoC had gone fully into being Super Waifu Simulator, making the quality of the event stand out all the more.

 

[TheHappiestMerchantMan]

Especially since mindbreaking Whitney is likely the single most vile thing you're allowed to do in the entire game, and in my book one of the best-written events in CoC because it's the only time that taking the corrupt route really makes you feel like an utter monster.  It's admittedly been months since I last played CoC, and that was for a speedrun, but to my recollection the farm corruption hits the right notes to make the Champion despicable in a way that makes the writing of things like Amily and Jojo corruption look incredibly shallow by comparison.  It's especially noteworthy for being a late addition when late CoC had gone fully into being Super Waifu Simulator, making the quality of the event stand out all the more.

You sure talk about morality a lot for a game most of the players pop open, check the newest scenes/their favorites, fap, then clsoe and (sometimes) save. CoC (and TiTS) are hardly masterworks of storytelling and deep engaging characters.

 

[Fisto]

 If a game can do something to make one feel then they're doing something right, these peeps are. 

Spoiler

Some scenes made me smile, not many ever made me sad. Lotta of them y'know obviously bonerific. Then there's ones like the Lottie X-PAC that make me sad.

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

Especially since mindbreaking Whitney is likely the single most vile thing you're allowed to do in the entire game, and in my book one of the best-written events in CoC because it's the only time that taking the corrupt route really makes you feel like an utter monster.  It's admittedly been months since I last played CoC, and that was for a speedrun, but to my recollection the farm corruption hits the right notes to make the Champion despicable in a way that makes the writing of things like Amily and Jojo corruption look incredibly shallow by comparison.  It's especially noteworthy for being a late addition when late CoC had gone fully into being Super Waifu Simulator, making the quality of the event stand out all the more.

To be fair, almost all of the manifestations of Corruption you can encounter as a PC aren't subtle either. There is little need for  subtle, ingratiating, gradual evil in a post-Apocalypse free-for-all world. So while I prefer the 'canonical' version of the farm corruption, brute-forcing approach is viable from the in-universe perspective.

You sure talk about morality a lot for a game most of the players pop open, check the newest scenes/their favorites, fap, then clsoe and (sometimes) save. CoC (and TiTS) are hardly masterworks of storytelling and deep engaging characters.

The games are porn first and foremost, true. It's acknowledged constantly by the devs. The engine used in each of them, as well as several quirks of the development process,  also enforces a lot of limitations, more then any 'normal' WRPG has to suffer. However, IMO there is place for engaging characters and stories in these games, and personally I found plenty of both.

 

[Serathinian]

No. Nothing but the end game will ever be finished, and even that's still not a guarantee. 

Fuck, that's disappointing.

 

[Kuwagata]

(...)because people *like* what he does. If they don't care about the abject quality control, fair fuck to them. As long as he's not charging for it, let him shovel away.

For the most part, people just want CoC to be finished, preferably with a bit less of that "here's 20% of a character, that's all you're getting because I quit" vibe that goes on with a good deal of the NPCs in the game. They want to see ideas that never got implemented being implemented, and they're willing to put up with a bit of roughness as long as some sort of progress is actually being made.

And besides, let's not pretend like everything in vanilla CoC is an exquisite work of art. Fen has always been great as far as I'm concerned, but some of the content submitted by others is just weak.