Arona and Berry are standard enemy encounters. Quin uses magic on you without asking during sex which Animalistic finds reprihensible.
But hasn't Izhalti not actually done that? And to play devil's advocate for the queen; it seems to be implied that they're endangered, at least in the area, and so the queen may be desperately trying to fix that and using fights as a way to judge who'd be good to carry the eggs or help make stronger baby driders to survive easier. Of course this is just an inference and even if it's correct, there's a better way to go about it than random attacks. But I'll add that I'm personally biased in favor of the driders because I like their content and I don't see them as the worst.
I think the third is Azzy at the climax of hive quest. Come to save the hive, get all the way to the end, and Azzy just decides to help her mom after all that and put everyone she brought into this in the first place in danger. That's still my only complaint about her.
Arona
Azzy
Berwyn
My biggest problem with Berwyn is that we just accept him to come to live with us. After trying to impale us on his oversized dick. Having your former rapist live next door to you is kind of fucked.
Azzyies is little understandable but not less anoying. Girl, just stay outside if you are going to double cross me after.
Ah, yes, I mean, yeah, I forgot about Azzy, but in her defense, she thought she could at least help, but in the end, she couldn't fight back her own mother or her orders. So I never thought bad of her for doing that. But yeah, she joining her mother made me sigh and kick their butts together.
And Berwyn, since I never lost to him, I always thought the whole thing was he just being mad and "training" and because of that, it wasn't implicit to me at least that he wanted to rape me like Alora kept claiming she'd be and wanted to do if she ever won.
Does he do that? Ugh. I mean, together with Anora he's the other character so far I'll never recruit. But, still, yeah, I'd find it reprehensible as well, no matter the partner. Even Kas ask permission and if you want or is ok for her to use any magic on you (if you're on her romantic path at least, I wouldn't know the rival path).
And Berwyn, since I never lost to him, I always thought the whole thing was he just being mad and "training" and because of that, it wasn't implicit to me at least that he wanted to rape me like Alora kept claiming she'd be and wanted to do if she ever won.
Does he do that? Ugh. I mean, together with Anora he's the other character so far I'll never recruit. But, still, yeah, I'd find it reprehensible as well, no matter the partner. Even Kas ask permission and if you want or is ok for her to use any magic on you (if you're on her romantic path at least, I wouldn't know the rival path).
I think Kohaku explaining how kitsune work and using the "we arent insects" explains why Azzy turncoated on us, she literally couldnt say no to the queen/her mother, her being a damn insect is why. And berwyn does have a MINOR justification that hes obviously a little bit corrupt, like 40/60 on the scale. Also im genuinely curious as to how you think Kitsunes equivalent exchange could be considered evil, like thats not me simping the foxes, just genuine curisoity.
Quin's magic use is more akin to unnegotiated BDSM if anything. Which would not be cool to do IRL, true, but the format of "person A does a sex thing without checking in, but it's okay because they guessed right that person B would be into it" is very much a staple in porn, smut and bodice rippers of all stripes
(see also: inverse example of the Champ putting fingers in Quin's butt in his rimming scene without asking first. Where the tone/appeal clearly isn't supposed to be "you assault him" but "he's into it but being a big tsundere about it")
Like of course you don't have to like it, but you also don't have to call characters rapists over itor get into constant slapfights with their writers for that matter
(see also: inverse example of the Champ putting fingers in Quin's butt in his rimming scene without asking first. Where the tone/appeal clearly isn't supposed to be "you assault him" but "he's into it but being a big tsundere about it")
Like of course you don't have to like it, but you also don't have to call characters rapists over it
To be fair, in that same scene that you were talking about, Quin did force you onto his dick further without asking first or a warning.
Also, just because it is usually presented as OK does not mean it is. Like, I have to admit that our NPC also does that from time to time even when I feel it is not appropriate (Berwyn ass clapping scene) but most of the time our and other NPCs make it apparent/warn us in text. I do not have gripes with how Brint or Berwyn treat my champion because of how it is presented. They ask me and/or do not go past the boundaries. I at least feel like they are taking my consent into account.
Also, to be fair, I say it feels rapy. I am not sure how do you call people that do something unprovoked during sex, especially dangerous. I just think of them as an asshole at least.
Quin use of magic reminds me of roofying a drink in that it takes control of a person inhibitions, especially when he does it without asking and with how it is presented in text. It is all just unpleasant to me. Now, I realise that I am in minority ans that plenty of others like it because of the sense of loosing control but still...
Also, just because it is usually presented as OK does not mean it is. Like, I have to admit that our NPC also does that from time to time even when I feel it is not appropriate (Berwyn ass clapping scene) but most of the time our and other NPCs make it apparent/warn us in text. I do not have gripes with how Brint or Berwyn treat my champion because of how it is presented. They ask me and/or do not go past the boundaries. I at least feel like they are taking my consent into account.
Also, to be fair, I say it feels rapy. I am not sure how do you call people that do something unprovoked during sex, especially dangerous. I just think of them as an asshole at least.
Quin use of magic reminds me of roofying a drink in that it takes control of a person inhibitions, especially when he does it without asking and with how it is presented in text. It is all just unpleasant to me. Now, I realise that I am in minority ans that plenty of others like it because of the sense of loosing control but still...
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Counterpoint: the literally worst person in the entire game is Alyssa, the shittiest shit who ever shat, who has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and who is, in fact, so bad that even Kas, who will joke around with anyone that isn't an imp in literally any situation (including when she thinks she's about to die), despises her.
In fact, Ryn's family appears to be made entirely of shits who are useless at best and incredibly pernicious at worst, except Ryn herself, her dickgirl grandmother (her OTHER grandmother is also an incredible shit) and possibly her mother (who I can't recall any information on other than horrible taste in men).
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AND it is telegraphed like hell.
People are a complicated mess of contradictions. They might not like what their relative is doing, but fighting against them is another step. Players might dislike the decision of the NPC. But hell the game is better for it. A fair criticism would be that the game does not explore this conflict too much. Its the vibe of the game, not everybody is bending over backwards for the champ.
But I do not remember PC being able to show any type of displeasure with her literally turning her abdomen on us. It is just glassed over, not given a second thought.
It also makes the champion look stupid that they did not tell Azy to wait outside and let then handle it. It was pretty fucking telegraphed that that was going to happen. Really, just dumb and inexcusable decisions all around from everyone.
It also makes the champion look stupid that they did not tell Azy to wait outside and let then handle it. It was pretty fucking telegraphed that that was going to happen. Really, just dumb and inexcusable decisions all around from everyone.
Ok, this is my last post in this thread. At some point, its just ridiculous.
IRL there are non-verbal communication channels which make this situation possible, and non-rapy. This is difficult in text. You also don't have a way to stop the scene without stopping to read. In text, the writer assumes what the reader likes. The game tries to give you the best idea what this scene will be like.
My champ did not give brint explicit consent to use precum for lube. But that does not mean my champ did not consent.
That's weird, my PC was surprised, sad, and kinda annoyed with her changing sides like that, but in the end, she just accepted. I was kinda feeling the same way tbh. I myself was like, ok then, I'll just beat sense on you both. XD
I never had thought of that fight much, because it wasn't bad (for me at least), I liked how it went, could be better, yes, but still, I personally didn't find it bad. Another thing I liked was that after the fight my champ ignored the queen and just sighed sitting on the couch and got Azzy to sit on her lap to show she wasn't that mad. Now that I think about it again, I liked the whole thing tbh.
Yeah, that is true. Context matters which is why I think that what Briarrosé was referring to is not the best comparison to begin with.
You could say that us teasing him unprovoked and him using magic could be seen as OK... Which fair, I will give you that.
It all just comes with context. Scene that opens up after teasing him is pretty vaguely described and his use of magic is unannounced and the way the scene playa out just makes me uncomfortable.
I think having something like a short description of what scene entails (like Alies Ryn scenes) or what it contains (Azyies warning about her use of venom or eggs) would have probably made me feel more OK with it. It is not like I have a problem with him using magic in general. Just, I think that was not the best example of it.
To make an attempt at a comedic scenario to represent an ancient form of bartering.
I have an axe, you have a shovel. You need an axe and would like to trade so in exchange you offer me your shovel. I don't need a shovel so I refuse. You smack me upside the head with your shovel, then take my axe and leave the shovel to pay for my axe.
You are the kitsune, your shovel is sex, and my axe is my life force.
The problem is that one side does not wish to trade and the other disregards that and forces the trade on their own terms. The kitsune force their own perception of value upon you and don't care if you disagree in which case you either comply and avoid a fight or fight and see where that gets you.
If one side gets something it does not want or need on top of getting beaten and left for dead in a hostile forest while the other gets a bellyful you can hardly say it's good or even equivalent.
This. The problem with the kitsune's equivalent exchange is that it presumes everybody values the same things equally, but this is only true if the one you're trading with is a merchant (ironically, one of the most despised trades in kitsune/ancient japanese culture) that travels around a lot, because they're in contact with so many people that they have the chance to trade with SOMEONE who also values what you're giving them highly.*
Like, currency was invented EXACTLY to solve this problem.
*once again proving Kohaku is best fox
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In the case of the Frostwood roaming kitsune group, them leaving us a closest in-game equivalent of a freaking lootbox really doesn't help foster continued friendly relations.
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Going back to the topic of the thread: I'd like to see Hashat continue her righteous quest for justice, glory and elf booty, migrating to mid and late game zones, getting involved in some shenanigans.
Similarly, Lusina getting some more love from Savin (if and when he isn't bogged down) or someone else would be neat.
That is the strongest fucking counterpoint, I respect it, like yeah fucking she has literally nothing redeemable.
I want her magic, she herself can go off and think about fucking elves in the farthest place AWAY FROM THE FUCKING ELVES.
It's not just that, it's that, if I remember correctly, all of the children who aren't half-tanukis, like Senja, are not actually her children. Rather, they're other adventurers and victims who she transformed and brainwashed into thinking they were her children, presumably after a lot of sex. They're full tanukis because Evergreen's immortality comes from how it is, as she told us on first meeting, an inherited title. Only, it's not just the title that's inherited, but the whole mind.
And it seems like Senja is going to be the next one to "inherit" her title, which is why if we can ever get to deal with her, I am going to do so. She's done things that are actually more fucked up then even just killing a motherfucker.
On a completely unrelated note, do we know what Komari did to the other adventurers Evergreen sent before us to retrieve her bag? /s
Well, THIS is new information for me. Is this learnable in-game and I somehow missed it or is it from the author or design docs or something?
Komari tells you some of it during your first interactions with her before she either fights you or recognizes you as Kiyoko's person of interest thanks to the Amulet of Transference. She pretty much lays out the whole deal if you get a Bad End from losing to anyone other than Nakano - before she proceeds to forcibly transform and brainwash you herself.
/s aside, I wanna know this too. Maybe they perished in a marshmallow booby hell. Or maybe Azami remembered to actually close the front door and they left dejected.
I think if it wasnt Nanako who got them, probably threatened with there life if they tried that shit again they'd be killed, and a message sent with them to tell the tanuki to fuck off. Knowing Miko they might have gotten a slice of marshmallow hell before, cause they dont seem the types to kill whenever they want like Nanako the giga weeb.
If your talking about the kitsune bad end, that is non-canon and what happens in them is usually impossible for it happen with what happens DURING them. THere usually extremes that couldnt be done canonically. People really like to stick to those 2 bad ends like there canon in some capacity.
Aly recently wrote a small thing for helping her to town with post-combat funtimes. When she's less swamped with work I've been meaning to try and talk her into some Lusina magicock fun cuz glowy cock + moth is a great combo.
That defense had never worked. Bad ends are non canon yes, but they still are in character and have to make sense in the world and fit. All that's really confirmed is that Komari didn't do it to the player. Not that she's never done it or would never do it to someone.
From all of the bad ends i've read, them having grounding still feels like bullshit for a large chunk, also considering a champ selling there soul to keros is the first time he's ever made one, means its probably not happened to anyone else. Pretty sure shaping the flesh is outside her scope of abilities, that and making said shaped flesh into kitsune.