Oh they do, I just didn't notice them since they were greyed out, neat.
What content would you like added?
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Okay, here I go. I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I have a suggestion for something I'd like to see in the game. I'd like a way to corrupt Clementine.
but don't get me wrong, I'm talking about corrupting her using her little obsession with her wool as a base, I imagine some small mission route where she asks us for help with a sister who has arrived at the frozen marks, that the player has the option to help her and accompany her or let her go alone, maybe with a lupine that arrived new to the town, in which case letting her go alone with him would develop a series of events that would lead us to try to rescue her, her sister and the lupine, in the mission the longer we take to arrive her state may vary, it may be that in the end she will be corrupted with a submissive form, or with a dominant form (always based on a demonic obsession with her corrupted wool).
Or maybe it was all a plan by that mysterious lupine, who turns out to be a corrupted lupine who can take her for himself if we don't arrive in time. In the end, we would have the possibility of improving our relationship with her if we save her and she remains pure.
But if not, we would have one of the two corrupted variants of her and her sister, further expanding the corrupted hosts of our fort if we want...
I don't know, it seems like an interesting idea to me. Besides, it would help ensure that it's not just corrupted content for the sake of it, but that it delves deeper into the obsessive side of the demons themselves and could perhaps open up, in the future, to corrupt Harvest Valley or even Zo after the pure route...
but don't get me wrong, I'm talking about corrupting her using her little obsession with her wool as a base, I imagine some small mission route where she asks us for help with a sister who has arrived at the frozen marks, that the player has the option to help her and accompany her or let her go alone, maybe with a lupine that arrived new to the town, in which case letting her go alone with him would develop a series of events that would lead us to try to rescue her, her sister and the lupine, in the mission the longer we take to arrive her state may vary, it may be that in the end she will be corrupted with a submissive form, or with a dominant form (always based on a demonic obsession with her corrupted wool).
Or maybe it was all a plan by that mysterious lupine, who turns out to be a corrupted lupine who can take her for himself if we don't arrive in time. In the end, we would have the possibility of improving our relationship with her if we save her and she remains pure.
But if not, we would have one of the two corrupted variants of her and her sister, further expanding the corrupted hosts of our fort if we want...
I don't know, it seems like an interesting idea to me. Besides, it would help ensure that it's not just corrupted content for the sake of it, but that it delves deeper into the obsessive side of the demons themselves and could perhaps open up, in the future, to corrupt Harvest Valley or even Zo after the pure route...
I would like to be able to focus on Brienne becoming obsessed with some other NPC. It would be fun if sometimes our decisions lead our companions to leave us aside or get more lost in their pleasure or corruption.
So, i completed LumiaQuest recently in my new save, and i noticed that, should you get all of the sword shards on the castle, Tui asks Lumia to allow her to keep the dreamblade to study it, to which Lumia accepts. However, after that, there's no further mention of said convo nor the sword on the rest of the game.
So, maybe it would be nice if the action of keeping the sword could affect Tui's combat. Not necesarily giving us the fabled "Atugia third companion set" necesarily, but maybe even something as small as an upgrade to her base set, like a damage modifier, would be nice (kind of like the rimebound grimoire/ring of heat upgrades for Cait or the crown of winter upgrade to Ryn)
So, maybe it would be nice if the action of keeping the sword could affect Tui's combat. Not necesarily giving us the fabled "Atugia third companion set" necesarily, but maybe even something as small as an upgrade to her base set, like a damage modifier, would be nice (kind of like the rimebound grimoire/ring of heat upgrades for Cait or the crown of winter upgrade to Ryn)
Look. I know Rindo has already had an expansion and new content added every now and again.....
But is it wrong to ask for more? I always wanted to have her as a wife rather than a concubine but the game really made it sound like it wouldn't be possible because then the champion would have to pay child support.
But is it wrong to ask for more? I always wanted to have her as a wife rather than a concubine but the game really made it sound like it wouldn't be possible because then the champion would have to pay child support.
I don't see why not. I thought that it was just because Kitsune do not tend to marry with someone that's not one of them that she was relegated to only being a concubine, but with Kiyoko marrige and Tetsuya's in the future, I would like if we could do it.
Especially if it means that I could make Rindo happy. Still hurts that her "happy" bust and outlook on life are locked behind pregnancy.
Especially if it means that I could make Rindo happy. Still hurts that her "happy" bust and outlook on life are locked behind pregnancy.
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I just thought of something. Kiyoko used her tails to basically pin us down when we get intimate, couldn't we do the same? I thought of this remembering the grouping tenticles skill you get from that girthy staff weapon from the south.
Back to my Rapier comment I remembered, there IS one in the game! Raphael, the asshole I want to hunt down for daring to attack my children has one. So, when can THAT happen?! Both getting his weapon, and hanging him up by his entrails in the Old Forest as a warning for anyone else being stupid enough to try something like that again.
As far as rapiers are concerned, I assume someone has to want to write for it, and it has to get accepted. As for wanting to have a nice conversation with Raphael about his introduction to your family, sadly the champion can't do anything about that. Kinu is supposed to be the one who deals with him.
I think the main reason is that the tech level for rapiers is not common, at least in the Frost Marches. Most forging is bronze age, with ironwork in a few places, like Kitsuhon and some alloys in Khor'minos, but for the most part, needing to punch through chainmail and such isn't an issue, and in this world when you need harder (or harder-hitting) weapons, you use magic to enchant them (or spells on the person to make them stronger).
I know Raphael uses a rapier in CoC 1, I am not sure this is the same Raphael specifically though (could be), he's obviously based on him. It's not impossible for there to be a rapier, since portals open and drop things into Savarra all the time. I just don't believe that it's a very common thing to find in a shop or something. Strictly speaking, if someone needed a character to use a rapier... there's no in-game reason it can't have fallen through a portal (or the person carrying it did), but I don't think it's something any of the nearby kingdoms would have developed. I don't see any mention of rapiers in CoC 2 wiki (other than saying Galon's Griefmaker is made to thrust like a rapier). I can't easily go to Raphael's fight and see what his normal attack shows as to double check what his sword is called.
I know Raphael uses a rapier in CoC 1, I am not sure this is the same Raphael specifically though (could be), he's obviously based on him. It's not impossible for there to be a rapier, since portals open and drop things into Savarra all the time. I just don't believe that it's a very common thing to find in a shop or something. Strictly speaking, if someone needed a character to use a rapier... there's no in-game reason it can't have fallen through a portal (or the person carrying it did), but I don't think it's something any of the nearby kingdoms would have developed. I don't see any mention of rapiers in CoC 2 wiki (other than saying Galon's Griefmaker is made to thrust like a rapier). I can't easily go to Raphael's fight and see what his normal attack shows as to double check what his sword is called.
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I think it's funny that CoC1 has canonically progressed further in civilization technology than CoC2 because of the Gods-War knocking the entire world back to the Bronze Age, which is no place for rapiers nor other more advanced and nuanced weapons to exist.
I don't think we have enough information to accurately compare civilization progress between planets with or without a Gods-War. How long did life exist on both worlds? Was there any other technology diffusion from other worlds? Etc.
Now for some historical nerd stuff - don't take it personally, as this is not popular knowledge and most of this time period is skimmed over in schools. I believe in authors creative vision and fantasy is absolutely the place to divergent from history or science or both
- but fans should be aware and not take it as some historically accurate game. So yeah the arguments that X should or shouldn't be in game because of history are straight up wrong. It’s more about what the devs want to add CoC2 is one of the most anachronistic fantasy worlds I've seen. There is very little historical Bronze Age here. A few good examples: Vitruvius, for whom Balak did research and it shows; advanced waterworks (yes, they are ancient despite popular belief); and the Minoans, but the name as they were a legitimate Bronze Age civilization otherwise in game they are Romans. Everything else is from other periods, just slapped with bronze as a "worse" metal than iron, which in reality is not true.
The whole idea that a "Gods-War" would regress civilization is flawed because it is the exact opposite of what happened in our history: a huge civilization upheaval (the Bronze Age Collapse) forced people around the Mediterranean to adopt iron. The "iron is progress" idea is one that holds only if you know about steel (around 2,000 years after the collapse) and our general historical trajectory. But from the POV of a person during the collapse, it was a fight for survival and using a worse alternative (yes, worse). Early iron production was decentralized, which was a big reason why it stuck and would be really difficult to "forget" or "lose". Technologies that are lost are the ones connected with luxury or secrets, not basic survival.
Above is only true for Middle East, Egypt and Greece - China had a lot less dramatic transition. In reality civilization on Earth, at certain point, NEEDS to use Iron - because of it abundance and rarity of other materials.
For weapons, there were swords that we today call Bronze Age "rapiers" - thrusting bronze swords that were, of course, a lot shorter than anything from the 16th century onwards.
Here, the additional problem is naming. The names of weapons and classifications used today are modern inventions; in reality, all weapons were handmade and would differ from one to another. What we call a "short sword" today, for example, the Roman gladius, would have just been a gladius so, just a "sword" to a Roman. Similarly with rapiers, in Italy they were just called "spada", which again just means "sword". This is despite "rapier" being a period English term, which shows the complete lack of standardization in historical periods. Not to mention, even English rapiers evolved, starting as cut-and-thrust weapons and ending as blades with which you could barely cut. The line between a sword and rapier was blurry and sometimes more based on usage than characteristics.
Bronze age is quite the underestimate period of our history. Bronze Age civilization built the pyramids (2560 BC), and it took almost 4,000 years before humanity constructed another building of comparable height - the Lincoln Cathedral in England (tall spire added in 1311), which later collapsed not long after its completion. After that, the next major leap was the Eiffel Tower (1889). Note - ofc building a tall structure is just but a one piece of overall technological level.
Some examples of bronze age weapon and armour.
Sword is from Britain and is 60cm long (photo is is quite zoomed) dated c.1400-1275 B.C
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i think. and this sounds severe but i think a war of eldeitch proporions is severe enough for it, it literally sucked up the lands iron resources, or at least it sucked the resources up to the level the civilization could get to in the ground, or maybe its a diamonds thing, its actually abundans but the prominent families and rich people keep the supply low so its price is way too disproportionate then what it would actually fetch if the supply wasnt tampered with, so most people dont even bother to work with iron anymore because too much effort too little reward, add to that the fact that most of the characters in major places we interact with are not nobles, or roman citizens, they are european commoners or japanese refugees, so the progress we see, or dont see, isnt really a show of the wide world itself
And why it only sucked iron and not copper and tin??? Obviously if you push enough magic you will solve any plot hole
yes and they exactly would use low quality iron - not expensive bronze and that is the whole problem
- you see even Emperor of Rome was depicted with BRONZE breastplate as a status symbol well deep into Iron Age.That is the whole problem on our planet Iron become the shity and less expensive metal and that's why we stick with it. Japanese is even worse example - they skipped "Bronze Age" -> Japan got introduced to both in same time and iron become the go to for tools and weapons and bronze for expensive and ceremonial stuff.
I will repeat myself iron working historically was DECENTRALIZE when the bronze trade was CENTRALIZED -> that means this nobles could control bronze but not iron. And even so it would be counterproductive -> cuz they would starved without giving tools to farmers
Khor'Minos and Winter City are both a different can of historical problems
Just to be clear I have no issue that CoC2 is such anachronistic game and frankly idea of this regression is interesting one, sadly at least early on it was not researched. So there is no need to play this defense
Because you see even people in Savara didn't get the memo they work with bronze. Ogrish introduction:
Frankly even his face forgot he should work with bronze -> the black thing on his cg (yeah yeah I know CG are supposedly not cannon) is either coal (which is not needed to work with bronze and would be overkill) or forge scale which are IRON oxides...
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I'm definitely not reading all of that just to let you know that my source is directly from Kasyrra and many other npc's/lore bits scattered throughout the gameI don't think we have enough information to accurately compare civilization progress between planets with or without a Gods-War. How long did life exist on both worlds? Was there any other technology diffusion from other worlds? Etc.
Now for some historical nerd stuff - don't take it personally, as this is not popular knowledge and most of this time period is skimmed over in schools. I believe in authors creative vision and fantasy is absolutely the place to divergent from history or science or both
CoC2 is one of the most anachronistic fantasy worlds I've seen. There is very little historical Bronze Age here. A few good examples: Vitruvius, for whom Balak did research and it shows; advanced waterworks (yes, they are ancient despite popular belief); and the Minoans, but the name as they were a legitimate Bronze Age civilization otherwise in game they are Romans. Everything else is from other periods, just slapped with bronze as a "worse" metal than iron, which in reality is not true.
The whole idea that a "Gods-War" would regress civilization is flawed because it is the exact opposite of what happened in our history: a huge civilization upheaval (the Bronze Age Collapse) forced people around the Mediterranean to adopt iron. The "iron is progress" idea is one that holds only if you know about steel (around 2,000 years after the collapse) and our general historical trajectory. But from the POV of a person during the collapse, it was a fight for survival and using a worse alternative (yes, worse). Early iron production was decentralized, which was a big reason why it stuck and would be really difficult to "forget" or "lose". Technologies that are lost are the ones connected with luxury or secrets, not basic survival.
Above is only true for Middle East, Egypt and Greece - China had a lot less dramatic transition. In reality civilization on Earth, at certain point, NEEDS to use Iron - because of it abundance and rarity of other materials.
For weapons, there were swords that we today call Bronze Age "rapiers" - thrusting bronze swords that were, of course, a lot shorter than anything from the 16th century onwards.
Here, the additional problem is naming. The names of weapons and classifications used today are modern inventions; in reality, all weapons were handmade and would differ from one to another. What we call a "short sword" today, for example, the Roman gladius, would have just been a gladius so, just a "sword" to a Roman. Similarly with rapiers, in Italy they were just called "spada", which again just means "sword". This is despite "rapier" being a period English term, which shows the complete lack of standardization in historical periods. Not to mention, even English rapiers evolved, starting as cut-and-thrust weapons and ending as blades with which you could barely cut. The line between a sword and rapier was blurry and sometimes more based on usage than characteristics.
Bronze age is quite the underestimate period of our history. Bronze Age civilization built the pyramids (2560 BC), and it took almost 4,000 years before humanity constructed another building of comparable height - the Lincoln Cathedral in England (tall spire added in 1311), which later collapsed not long after its completion. After that, the next major leap was the Eiffel Tower (1889). Note - ofc building a tall structure is just but a one piece of overall technological level.
Some examples of bronze age weapon and armour.
Sword is from Britain and is 60cm long (photo is is quite zoomed) dated c.1400-1275 B.C
Dendra panoply Greece dated 1500 B.C