What content would you like added?

Aelana

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Booli = bulli = bully.
Okay, that makes more sense than my idea.

Champ: "I... Have a weird fetish..."
Cait: "I am a temple harlot. I can satisfy whatever your need, beautiful."
Champ: "Really?! Can you satisfy this boolean equation?"
Cait: "..."

Champ: "... And? "
Cait: "... P1 is false, P2 is false, P3 is true... "
Chanp: KNNNNNFFFFFFF
 

waterpanther7

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Okay, that makes more sense than my idea.

Champ: "I... Have a weird fetish..."
Cait: "I am a temple harlot. I can satisfy whatever your need, beautiful."
Champ: "Really?! Can you satisfy this boolean equation?"
Cait: "..."

Champ: "... And? "
Cait: "... P1 is false, P2 is false, P3 is true... "
Chanp: KNNNNNFFFFFFF
What's sexier than intelligence?
 

Ultra Chad

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I really want to be able to marry Gwyn. I can just imagine how big the event would be depending on if her family is reunited. Also we need a way to know exactly how many children we have as not all kids are sent to the Nursery. Finally I want knock up Matiha and Wynne. I am done.
 

CitrusWolf

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I really want to be able to marry Gwyn. I can just imagine how big the event would be depending on if her family is reunited. Also we need a way to know exactly how many children we have as not all kids are sent to the Nursery. Finally I want knock up Matiha and Wynne. I am done.
mathia and wynne are not happening since (1) parser soup no one wants to even look at and wants to add more variants even less, (2) really no one wants to write for them, even before berry quest 2 happened no one really wrote shit for berry and he only got completion by paying someone to finish that quest and make the lack of desire to write even lesser
 

Ireyon

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mathia and wynne are not happening since (1) parser soup no one wants to even look at and wants to add more variants even less, (2) really no one wants to write for them, even before berry quest 2 happened no one really wrote shit for berry and he only got completion by paying someone to finish that quest and make the lack of desire to write even lesser
Not even his author apparently wanted to finish writing him. How many months did he go without any content? Or was it years?
 

grimpich

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Seconding more bossy Cait, that would be fantastic.
Cait nagatoro version you will have to be a small mecian to unlock the interactions but in return you will not be able to open the temple or stay with the harem cat or else you will have a bad ending in which you die for Snu Snu.
 

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Tide Hunter

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Not even his author apparently wanted to finish writing him. How many months did he go without any content? Or was it years?
Berwyn's original author definitely wanted to finish writing him, and actually, the old version of Berwyn could knock you up (before the new one drank the parser soup). It's just that he... depending on who you ask, either he was forced out or he left, but either way it was due to mental health reasons, and he wasn't allowed to keep writing. And then it took a long time for B to write up all the new content, and because of the parserization (and change in setting), I guess he decided to remove the already existing pregnancy content for him.
 

Ireyon

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Berwyn's original author definitely wanted to finish writing him
A lot of people want to finish stuff, the problem is that not all of them actually do. The original companion thread had an actual bullet point about this:

We want people who will be responsive and on the ball. If a major plot scene requires your input as a writer because of something your companion might do, you're expected to be relatively prompt about it. Otherwise, people are going to write for you, and as above, it's irritating for everyone involved. Keep in communication.

I don't know Berwyn's original author (HugsAlright I think?). I actually liked his work considering that I liked Berwyn, the little bit of him that was there. But him and Quin were extremely underdeveloped, with Qin's author (BubbleLord) at least patching him up and working on lots of different projects, meaning he still does stuff for the game even if it's not Quin related and he keeps communicating that.

If Hugs really has serious mental problems then I feel sad for him. No, really, I do. But the rest of the world doesn't stop and at some point the question of Berwyn has to get a definitive answer: Are you still working on this and will we get something to code in the near future?

It seems the answer was no. And as much as I hate it I think it was the right call considering that no one else wanted to actually pick up Berwyn on a permanent basis.

Berwyn filled a niche which is now unfortunately empty. But in the end there is one immovable fact people need to accept: There are many people (on here and on other, far less civil, complaints forums) who want stuff. "I'd like to see X in game!" is a really easy thing to say. Actually writing X is hard. It gets worse because NPCs are supposed to interact with each other, companions even more so than normal. Someone not doing anything slows down everyone else working on related projects.

This sucks for Hugs personally but letting this continue would've sucked for a lot of other people. Knowing how long he's been AWOL would be helpful but considering it was quite drastic to remove him entirely it seems he was completely gone for at least months on end.
 
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Animalistic

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Damn, all this speaking about Berwyn reminds me of how badly he was massacred. From a prime example of dominant Twink/femboy to a borish blob.
really no one wants to write for them, even before berry quest 2 happened no one really wrote shit for berry and he only got completion by paying someone to finish that quest and make the lack of desire to write even lesser
Yeah, in hindsight, people really should have been more opposed to his expansion since his parser soup really makes him unappealing. Honestly, I would just remove this whole genderbend stuff (and his Dom/sub metter probably) and just keep his new scenes in relation to his dominant, bratish, personality. Maybe that way we can get his old scenes back and his pregnancy content...
 

SmithEK

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Damn, all this speaking about Berwyn reminds me of how badly he was massacred. From a prime example of dominant Twink/femboy to a borish blob.

Yeah, in hindsight, people really should have been more opposed to his expansion since his parser soup really makes him unappealing. Honestly, I would just remove this whole genderbend stuff (and his Dom/sub metter probably) and just keep his new scenes in relation to his dominant, bratish, personality. Maybe that way we can get his old scenes back and his pregnancy content...
I personally think B made her a lot better. Berry was just a spoilt brat that I barely interacted with but when B made it possible to make him into Wynne and expanding Matiha.. I say at least B finished the character unlike the original writer.
 

CitrusWolf

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honestly berry quest 2 was just character assassination with the purpose of giving the main audience two girls to have a threesome with, a very significant part of the forum is interested in girls only and they forget, characters that don't fit their tastes aren't bad, you just want everything to be a girl.

this probably sounds very funny when you have seen my disdain for observer content and it amuses even me
 

Acharehnus

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since his parser soup really makes him unappealing
It did kind of confuse me, whenever anyone asks for a transformation or increasingly any content not already on the design doc the response is "That's never going to happen, it's outside the scope of the game, it's to difficult" and then a character gets 10~ variables.

I'm not against it I just thought it was odd. To be fair though it's more often just other players speaking on behalf of the writers/devs telling people their requests aren't going to happen.
 

zagzig

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It did kind of confuse me, whenever anyone asks for a transformation or increasingly any content not already on the design doc the response is "That's never going to happen, it's outside the scope of the game, it's to difficult" and then a character gets 10~ variables.

I'm not against it I just thought it was odd. To be fair though it's more often just other players speaking on behalf of the writers/devs telling people their requests aren't going to happen.
I would suggest Berwyn is an example of why that's unlikely to happen for other characters. His expansion adding the variables took over a year to write, was and still is buggy due to the sheer number of code variables, and made adding any further content to him (or even retrofitting past content with the new variants) an utterly miserable slog where for every 10,000 words the author writes, the player gets 1,000 words of content.

Not to mention the, ah, mixed reception all the laborious, backbreaking work got once it was finally implemented.
 

arch99

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Idk why people are so fucking pissed about the very option to have Wynne be trans... you can also just choose for her to be a cis boy, that's possible too.

Personally I find her infinitely more interesting if nothing else in getting the opportunity to pick a new body and just kinda going. you know what? girl time.

That slaps, tbh, thanks B. Sorry people are whiny about it.
 

CitrusWolf

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Idk why people are so fucking pissed about the very option to have Wynne be trans... you can also just choose for her to be a cis boy, that's possible too.

Personally I find her infinitely more interesting if nothing else in getting the opportunity to pick a new body and just kinda going. you know what? girl time.

That slaps, tbh, thanks B. Sorry people are whiny about it.
you see, that is far from the problem, the problem is that a part of the scenes that made people like berry got yeeted into oblivion, and that it made it terribly unlikely either berry or wynne are getting anything ever again, unless someone makes a significant cash drop for it
 

CitrusWolf

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thinking of it, a trans girl is also heavily inaccurate, if it was about transitioning I would likely even be into it as I love non cis characters, but no its suddenly transformed because berwyn became juice and the player gets to pick, I feel there is significantly better samples of gender/sex switch, Bri is very non-binary in the whole mad cow quest afterwhile, no issues with having a different name and genitals so long they could be still a warrior, that feels like a significantly smoother transition with the whole bit of scenes after Brint is Brienne, Liufr (my beloved) is an intersex character that needed the resources and a push towards either side and is significantly happier after getting the tfs as they lacked confidence without transitioning to either side.

Gender was never the problem, execution of it and total closure to the point only a 1% of people would want to write for either was.
 

Ria Brew

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At this point I'm exhausted with Berwyn as a whole. It's impossible to bring them up in either a positive or negative light without this discussion surfacing yet again, with the same points iterated yet again. It's left a rather sour taste in my mouth that carries over to engaging with Berry in the game itself and I didn't even mind the changes.

It's also a bit frustrating cuz B did a legitimately good job with it, especially considering the sheer commitment they had to make to give what we did get and all of that is just ignored.
 

Animalistic

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I mean a lot of people are just unhappy with the whole expansion, so I see no harm in discussing it.

Also, no offense to anyone, but putting in a lot of time into the project shouldn't disqualify it from being looked at in either positive and negative light. Especially since to a lot of Berwyn fans, this whole expansion felt like a character assassination.
 
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Tide Hunter

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At this point I'm exhausted with Berwyn as a whole. It's impossible to bring them up in either a positive or negative light without this discussion surfacing yet again, with the same points iterated yet again. It's left a rather sour taste in my mouth that carries over to engaging with Berry in the game itself and I didn't even mind the changes.

It's also a bit frustrating cuz B did a legitimately good job with it, especially considering the sheer commitment they had to make to give what we did get and all of that is just ignored.
B is a great writer that did well with what he had to do, which was finish Berwyn. I completely understand why he did what he did, and it almost certainly expanded the audience for Berry while wrapping up his story. That said, Berry didn't really need to have his audience expanded when he was getting taken off the companion board, and regardless of intent and quality, it's easy for people to view the whole transformation thing as taking him away from the niche that loved him (even if that content is still available from pre-quest Berry, if you just don't do it) to give to those who didn't.

The whole "getting squished and reforming based on feelings with magic" is probably the best way to make a character who has previously shown no signs of wanting to transition decide to be a girl. That said, this also means that it took a femboy that seemed to be comfortable as male, and out of nowhere just decided that they could actually just not be. It was likely never intended as a personal attack, but to those with a vested interested in him, this could easily read like one, that they aren't allowed to have their own toys and have to share it with the people who are already widely serviced.
 

Greyfox643

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I would very much like of Ice Rose (boreal Elf TF) would not clear all Wing Flags.

Specifically Dove Wings. So its a bit easier to try for a Valkyrie look-alike set of TFs